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On November 25 2009 17:53 Mora wrote:
what's with this whole 'terran cheese is weak' horse shit.
4 vulture drop main
2 port wraith
m&m drop
science vessels. always.
medic walls
quick vult speed harass vs zerg
science vessels.
lol
haha, like any of those are cheese.
Cheese is proxy DT/cannon rush/4pool/bunker rush/ SCV rush.
Terran early game is weak.
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KOREAN MAPS ARE LESS IMPORTANT HAHA
WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT KOREAN MAPS KID? JESUS TRY THE HARD LIFE OF A ZERG. WE DONT HAVE FUCKING MAP CROSSING ARCLITE CANNONS, EVERYTHING CANNOT BE REPAIRS, WE DONT HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION LIKE SPIDER MINES AND WE CERTAINLY AS FUCK DONT HAVE NUCLEAR WEAPONS CAUSE ANY GAME THAT HAS THAT SUCKS LIKE COMMAND AND CONQUER 3. ALSO, WE DONT HAVE FLYING BUILDINGS OR MOTHERFUCKING DEFENSIVE STRUCTURES THAT SHOOT AIR AND GROUND AND CAN BE REPAIRED AND COST 100$ FUCKING MINERALS. OUR WORKERS DIE WHEN THE WIND BLOWS TOO HARD AND SURE AS FUCK DONT HAVE FUSION CUTTERS. WAIT? YOU HAVE GOLIATHS THAT SHOOT ACROSS THE MAP AT AIR UNITS AND CAN BE REPAIRED AND ARE CHEAP? JESUS WHO MADE THIS GAME.
JESUS I WISH I HAD 5-6 of THE ALL TIME BEST PLAYERS TO MODEL MY GAME AFTER. WAIT? WERENT THEY ALL FUCKING TERRAN? WE HAVE NADA, BOXER, OOV, FLASH, MIDAS and XELLOS ALL KICKING ASS FOR YEARS AT A TIME WHILE WE GET FUCKING FAT ASS JULY WHO SUCKS NOW, YELLOW WHO ALWAYS FUCKING SUCKED BUT NOBODY KNEW FOR A BIT AND WE FINALLY GOT SAVIOR BUT THEN THEY DRESSED HIM LIKE HITLER SO HE SUCKED AND NOW WE HAVE JAEDONG BUT THAT KID CANT FIGURE OUT THE NEW KOREAN MAPS THAT DONT MATTER. JESUS FUCK IT MUST BE NICE TO HAVE PLAYERS THAT SPAN DECADES AND DOMINATE THE ENTIRE TIME. GIMME SOME OF THAT PLEASE.
HEY WHAT ABOUT BUILDINGS DO YOU LOSE A SCV EACH TIME YOU MAKE ONE? NO. WHAT THE FUCK? WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU CAN ACTUALLY TELL THEM TO RETURN TO MINING AFTER THEY ARE DONE BUILDING? I THOUGHT THAT AUTO MINING GARBAGE WAS FOR HACKERS OR BAD GAMES. TERRAN'S CAN DO IT? FUCK THAT SOUNDS LIKE A SWEET DEAL. EACH TIME WE (zerg) HAVE TO BUILD WE TELL ONE OF OUR SACRED MINERS "HEY FUCK YOU TIME TO DIE" AND THEY DO. THEN WE GET A FUCKING BUILDING. WHICH, HALF THE TIME ISNT ENOUGH: WE HAVE TO PAY MOREE FUCKING MONEY TO GET IT TO DO SOME SHIT LIKE DICK THE GROUND OR SPRAY PISS IN THE AIR.
From the great Incontrol himself.
Fuck Terran you're not allowed to complain about gay shit.
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as a z, t is the worst. Many have posted it before me, but to add to the frenzy:
first: proxy rax?
he walled + fast gas: fast mnm push? vulture runby? 2 port wraith? vult drop? proxy fact? in base fact? just out of base fact which floats into my base? fast mnm + 1 tank push? mech? that lame mech with mnm push? mech fe? bionic fe? quick mnm drop? (natural sunks are bad vs that)
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You're crying about terran weak?
I always get crushed by these gay terran 2fac pushes, which are pretty much the epitome of gay. But just get up, watch the replay and figure out to crush those "lame" strats.
Seriously, I'm soo tired of players QQing about being beaten by cheese, when they don't realise that they have equally gay cheese in their arsenal, just man up and play the game.
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Oh man....
First off, 14 nexus into shuttles and dts? wtf? You should have like half a dozen vultures and scan before he can unload any of them.
9 pool? You never go out. Like seriously, NEVER go out unless you are absolutely certain that he is teching or expanding. The farthest you can come out to is just below your ramp to place a bunker, and that's only when you have a cc finished so you are placing a bunker.
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On November 25 2009 17:05 Sadist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 16:58 Mora wrote:
people who play starcraft like you do make me sad.
you're missing out on so much of this game.
it's not as mind-numbing as FE into 6 facts macro. You can do a lot of things. try some of them.
like:
1) not Fast Expanding!
2) doing a nuke rush!
3) doing a hyper agressive build where you don't make any more than 20 scv's, and you don't expand until your base runs out!
Out of all the races, Terran has the greatest chance of winning without expanding. try it! it's so much fun.
Infact, i'm going to create another account just to see how far i can get with terran without fast expanding! i'm guessing about C-! problem is unit control with terran especially early game is absolutely brutal. Terran units early on are far and away the worst units when no or minimal micro is involved. People have gotten significantly better at microing against terran shit (read goons vs marines, vuls etc) that its gotten ridiculous and its almost impossible to hurt someone early on unless they get caught horribly out of position.
hey bro,
why don't you terran do like those protosses and just get significantly better at microing shit?
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On November 25 2009 21:49 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 17:05 Sadist wrote:On November 25 2009 16:58 Mora wrote:
people who play starcraft like you do make me sad.
you're missing out on so much of this game.
it's not as mind-numbing as FE into 6 facts macro. You can do a lot of things. try some of them.
like:
1) not Fast Expanding!
2) doing a nuke rush!
3) doing a hyper agressive build where you don't make any more than 20 scv's, and you don't expand until your base runs out!
Out of all the races, Terran has the greatest chance of winning without expanding. try it! it's so much fun.
Infact, i'm going to create another account just to see how far i can get with terran without fast expanding! i'm guessing about C-! problem is unit control with terran especially early game is absolutely brutal. Terran units early on are far and away the worst units when no or minimal micro is involved. People have gotten significantly better at microing against terran shit (read goons vs marines, vuls etc) that its gotten ridiculous and its almost impossible to hurt someone early on unless they get caught horribly out of position. hey bro, why don't you terran do like those protosses and just get significantly better at microing shit?
protoss got significantly better at microing what exactly? invulnerable zealots that can murder 3 marines and keep going? no need bro
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On November 25 2009 22:15 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 21:49 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:On November 25 2009 17:05 Sadist wrote:On November 25 2009 16:58 Mora wrote:
people who play starcraft like you do make me sad.
you're missing out on so much of this game.
it's not as mind-numbing as FE into 6 facts macro. You can do a lot of things. try some of them.
like:
1) not Fast Expanding!
2) doing a nuke rush!
3) doing a hyper agressive build where you don't make any more than 20 scv's, and you don't expand until your base runs out!
Out of all the races, Terran has the greatest chance of winning without expanding. try it! it's so much fun.
Infact, i'm going to create another account just to see how far i can get with terran without fast expanding! i'm guessing about C-! problem is unit control with terran especially early game is absolutely brutal. Terran units early on are far and away the worst units when no or minimal micro is involved. People have gotten significantly better at microing against terran shit (read goons vs marines, vuls etc) that its gotten ridiculous and its almost impossible to hurt someone early on unless they get caught horribly out of position. hey bro, why don't you terran do like those protosses and just get significantly better at microing shit? protoss got significantly better at microing what exactly? invulnerable zealots that can murder 3 marines and keep going? no need bro
Word. I havent seen tosses with good micro stay around D level (cos im D myself)
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13 Nexus into DT drop is actually a really gay build, it comes really fast and is generally totally unexpected. And yeah T is just kinda weak early game where as Z and P both have a million different cheeses they can do, just the nature of the game.
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Once I was hit by 13 nex into DT drop into fast carriers on D+ level.
I don't play seriously ever since that time. I am not even kidding, I thought that rage hurt my health and I just stopped laddering. I havent played BW for like 3 month now.
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konadora
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It's ALWAYS Protoss against a Terran (you, the user)
fucking Protosss
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On November 25 2009 22:31 freelander wrote:
Once I was hit by 13 nex into DT drop into fast carriers on D+ level.
I don't play seriously ever since that time. I am not even kidding, I thought that rage hurt my health and I just stopped laddering. I havent played BW for like 3 month now.
man thats one powerful-ass build
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On November 25 2009 22:47 konadora wrote:
It's ALWAYS Protoss against a Terran (you, the user)
fucking Protosss
+ Show Spoiler +
:D
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On November 25 2009 22:59 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2009 22:31 freelander wrote:
Once I was hit by 13 nex into DT drop into fast carriers on D+ level.
I don't play seriously ever since that time. I am not even kidding, I thought that rage hurt my health and I just stopped laddering. I havent played BW for like 3 month now. man thats one powerful-ass build
what is gay that you will save your scans because of the DTs and the carriers hit you totally unexpectedly
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I guess I'm one of the people guilty of complaining about a bit of cheese here and there, but in all reality, I'm completely fine with it. If you ask me, 2gate proxy is NOT a cheese, and 4pool, is NOT a cheese. It's all in and suicidal yes, but I wouldn't call it Cheese. Starcraft is so great because there are almost infinitesimal possibilities that can occur, and this is called "cheese" just adds a new level onto the game.
And I'm a Terran player, so I've also seen my fair share of 4pools and proxy gates and all that junk. But seriously, it's not that hard to deal with once you understand how to SCOUT, and how to properly micro. I'm only a D/D+ and my gameplay may not be fantastic, but I've still been able to deal with the majority of cheese builds.
And as for DTs and 14 nexus being dubbed as "lame shit". Yeah...no. DTs are a very potent force in the Protoss arsenal. Why WOULDN'T you utilize DTs if you had the opportunity? That's not Lame, that's just playing Smart. And 14 Nexus...come on dude. It's aggressive, it's greedy, but it's not that hard to deal with either. You expand yourself, you start pumping more vultures than tanks, and you figure out MENTALLY how to do things.
Starcraft isn't a game where you just go through the motions and say "Hmm...well this game I'm going to go through this build order and then have this timing push and then win in the late game." This mindset it seems has been EMBEDDED in the minds of Terrans because Terran is inherently a mechanically stressing race. But if you look at players like Skyroo and Kawaii who stream here, and then also watch players like Boxer pulling off amazing shit, you'll know that Terran is perhaps one of the most versatile armies there can be in this game. They don't always go through with a SET plan (though they usually do), but they also pull off some creative stuff that I don't see in regular games.
So stop whining for a second and stop calling things lame. Instead of following a robotic plan that someone else has told you, be creative and start thinking of ways to beat these builds, because it's definitely possible.
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4 pool is not a cheese build?
congrats
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Its so simple...
Every Game a terran wins its because they're just far more talented and skilled than their opponent. Considering protoss takes no skill at all and have units stronger than arnold swarchenegger, while pumping them faster than a man makes sperm. Really does make the game imbalanced. And when a terran beats a protoss, of course they're much more skilled.
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On November 26 2009 00:12 freelander wrote:
4 pool is not a cheese build?
congrats
You see, it depends on how you define cheese. I personally don't think any build in SC is cheese. They might be cheap and all-in, but it's still a legitimate strategy. If you really think about it, it's a timing push that comes right before the terran creates his first marine.
So why would you criticize someone for cheesing when they're just utilizing a timing window, no matter how small or how early?
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so what is a cheese? if 4pool and proxy gates isnt one.
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On November 26 2009 00:25 YPang wrote:
so what is a cheese? if 4pool and proxy gates isnt one.
I really don't know. But my personal philosophy is that if you have a strategy that kills you early....it's cheap yeah...but it's not cheese.
Of course, the majority of people will disagree. I just don't like it when we call things "cheese". It just sounds like an excuse and a reason why we lost when we really should have been playing better and countering these builds. I lose sometimes, but I try harder next to defeat these type of builds.
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