• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:33
CET 14:33
KST 22:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket7Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2107 users

TvP on Python D:

Blogs > Monokeros
Post a Reply
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
October 13 2009 05:51 GMT
#1
So I aside from my awful siege expand build, and throwing away units when I was at a disadvantage, and finally having just abysmal macro is there anything more I could've done in this game? Because aside from laughing the whole way through the game as I knew he had twice my supply once I saw him start expanding I really was lost on how to get the 'leg up'
[image loading]


anyways enjoy.

*
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Divinek
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Canada4045 Posts
October 13 2009 06:18 GMT
#2
You know it's probably far more important that you improve those first three things you mentioned before going onto anything else.
Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Oh goodness me, FOX tv where do you get your sight? Can't you keep track, the puck is black. That's why the ice is white.
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
October 13 2009 06:19 GMT
#3
On October 13 2009 15:18 Divinek wrote:
You know it's probably far more important that you improve those first three things you mentioned before going onto anything else.



touche.
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22258 Posts
October 13 2009 06:31 GMT
#4
Yeah. You're basically asking "I know my macro sucks, but how do I win a macro game??" -_-
Moderatorhttp://carbonleaf.yuku.com/topic/408/t/So-I-proposed-at-a-Carbon-Leaf-concert.html ***** RIP Geoff
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
October 13 2009 08:27 GMT
#5
saw you on hon!
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
October 13 2009 09:15 GMT
#6
BBS. Every. Game.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
October 13 2009 09:56 GMT
#7
1. Be a lot more aggressive - do vults drop to main and mine the ramp to natural.

2. Dont play python? It lets Z and P expand so much so easily and you need like 10 scans just to spot it.
Wohmfg
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom1292 Posts
October 13 2009 14:53 GMT
#8
On October 13 2009 18:56 Sadistx wrote:
2. Dont play python? It lets Z and P expand so much so easily and you need like 10 scans just to spot it.


From my experience at the lower ranks playing TvP and PvT, T has an advantage because of the relatively small chokes at the naturals and you can spot P expansions pretty easily with vults/mines/scans. I always have a hard time PvT on that map, anyway.
BW4Life!
StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
October 13 2009 15:43 GMT
#9
On October 13 2009 18:56 Sadistx wrote:
1. Be a lot more aggressive - do vults drop to main and mine the ramp to natural.

2. Dont play python? It lets Z and P expand so much so easily and you need like 10 scans just to spot it.


this...

I play T and i HATEEEEEE Python (besides it being really boring and overplayed at low levels) its just so hard to take a proper 3rd (the min only is gay) and P and Z can flank you so easily or just attack your main when you move out
A Combination Of Tuberculosis And A Tomahawk To The Head:: Nothing Bonds Drunken Idiots Like Sexual Innuendos ::
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-13 15:49:57
October 13 2009 15:47 GMT
#10
On October 13 2009 23:53 Wohmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2009 18:56 Sadistx wrote:
2. Dont play python? It lets Z and P expand so much so easily and you need like 10 scans just to spot it.


From my experience at the lower ranks playing TvP and PvT, T has an advantage because of the relatively small chokes at the naturals and you can spot P expansions pretty easily with vults/mines/scans. I always have a hard time PvT on that map, anyway.

I always thought it was kinda hard for Terran because the mid was wide wide open.

edit: rofl, progame stats suggest that Terrans did really well on Python. I guess I'll watch some games.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
October 13 2009 15:51 GMT
#11
On October 14 2009 00:47 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 13 2009 23:53 Wohmfg wrote:
On October 13 2009 18:56 Sadistx wrote:
2. Dont play python? It lets Z and P expand so much so easily and you need like 10 scans just to spot it.


From my experience at the lower ranks playing TvP and PvT, T has an advantage because of the relatively small chokes at the naturals and you can spot P expansions pretty easily with vults/mines/scans. I always have a hard time PvT on that map, anyway.

I always thought it was kinda hard for Terran because the mid was wide wide open.

i know its not the best indication of balance but the pro stats shows python has a pretty significant T advantage. hence the numerous TvT progames on it.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
October 13 2009 15:52 GMT
#12
yeah i hate pvt on python. dropship play while taking the island third + open expansions is a pain in the ass
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
October 13 2009 16:01 GMT
#13
I find the short distances between mains makes Terran pushes really strong, their "slow pushes" are pretty fast and depending on the positions they can expand while doing it.
No I'm never serious.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
October 13 2009 16:13 GMT
#14
Yeah, 2 base 5 fac timing push into P natural is really strong, but if you fuck up the timings and forget to get your 3rd, you're pretty much boned.
So the push is pretty much your all-in.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
13:00
King of the Hill #231
SteadfastSC75
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko591
RotterdaM 102
SteadfastSC 72
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 55098
Rain 3670
Calm 2511
Sea 2050
Larva 1037
Soulkey 893
firebathero 711
Shuttle 581
Mini 396
BeSt 310
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 293
Snow 273
Last 235
PianO 230
Zeus 203
Soma 183
ZerO 152
Pusan 101
Light 96
Rush 92
Hyun 77
hero 76
Backho 52
Sea.KH 48
ToSsGirL 39
soO 34
Aegong 33
yabsab 26
Movie 25
Terrorterran 24
Noble 24
Shine 22
Icarus 22
scan(afreeca) 18
HiyA 14
ivOry 7
Dota 2
Gorgc3954
singsing2228
qojqva1268
Dendi677
XcaliburYe173
League of Legends
KnowMe16
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1958
x6flipin836
byalli226
oskar66
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr17
Other Games
B2W.Neo1808
crisheroes436
hiko252
Mew2King102
ArmadaUGS83
nookyyy 28
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12651
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1640
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 624
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• iopq 9
• ZZZeroYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2097
• WagamamaTV192
League of Legends
• Jankos1790
• Nemesis816
• TFBlade722
• Stunt667
• HappyZerGling238
Upcoming Events
BSL: GosuLeague
7h 27m
RSL Revival
17h 57m
Zoun vs Classic
SHIN vs TriGGeR
herO vs Reynor
Maru vs MaxPax
WardiTV Korean Royale
22h 27m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
RSL Revival
1d 17h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 22h
IPSL
2 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
BSL 21
2 days
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
[ Show More ]
IPSL
3 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
3 days
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
Replay Cast
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.