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Heroes of Newerth -- Need help
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insectoceanx
United States331 Posts
id is insectocean | ||
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paper
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it's converted to HON T_T | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
But just stick to noob games for a while. I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily. Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time. I'll add you to my friends anyway, maybe I'll play a game with you... Maybe haha. But you can ask me for tips whenever you want. Oh right my account name is Pitiful | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
On September 26 2009 05:26 Bosu wrote: Its hilarious that people with psr below 1500, which is really bad, still call people noobs. It's such a free for all in public games. I hate it. The best is when a noob with like a 0.5 K:D ratio starts calling you a noob. The game suffers from slippery slope mechanics too. A lot of these kids don't realize that people do have bad games once in a while. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17700 Posts
On September 26 2009 05:23 Krohm wrote: I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily. Worst advice ever. By playing EM you actually hinder yourself more. It's way better to play normal games as you won't get any bad habits from EM (most common one would be thinking that you can gear up your hero in each game). It's just like in DotA, you start off by buying some cheap stuff like reinforced bracers etc. and ONE (yeah, just one) good stuff, most likely the one that's most important for your hero to work best given the current matchup and only after you do that, you proceed on buying more gear. Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time. This advice is also debatable. What you really need to learn first is the basic mechanics and hero types, not specific heroes. You should go from more general stuff to more details: 1. ranged and melee 2. different main stat 3. specific hero In this order. This way even if you never played certain hero before (in AR or SD games for example) you'll at least have a general idea of what items to get, which skills will be most useful for you and how to play it so at least you don't totally suck and feed enemies. | ||
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GoodWill
Canada149 Posts
On September 26 2009 05:23 Krohm wrote: HoN/DotA are not noob friendly games... And by that I mean other players will chew you out, and yell at you all game. Sadly I am one of these people, as much I would like to help you out. I would just get frustrated and start chewing you out. But just stick to noob games for a while. I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily. Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time. I'll add you to my friends anyway, maybe I'll play a game with you... Maybe haha. But you can ask me for tips whenever you want. Oh right my account name is Pitiful WOWOOW lets not pretend there's some steep learning curve or something here now, you will get it if you watch a few replays (there's none for hon yet) or imitate some good players (preferably psr1800+ games) and get the right items, take note on where they go, and why they choose to fight or not to fight. Stick with your group and use all your abilities, this game is ridiculously easy, BUT, you need a good team that sticks together and pushes as a team, the end. actually, no, that's not the end, go play arachna/magmus/succubus, THE END. | ||
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FragKrag
United States11556 Posts
i think there is a good guide on how to use him | ||
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Lurgee
Australia252 Posts
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On September 26 2009 05:23 Krohm wrote: But just stick to noob games for a while. I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily. Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time. Sticking to easy mode is terrible advice. Easy mode and normal are two completely different games, and normal is where you learn to play the game... competitively? I actually don't know, since I pretty much only play EM. It's not that I have anything against normal, it's just that EM is more casual and more enjoyable. The only competitive game I really play [competitively] is starcraft. Easy mode favors agi carries more than normal does, because the end-game comes much more quickly. Int-favoring heroes or heroes with spells/abilities that do not scale well get phased out sooner. Most games in normal do not have that problem because A) the game does not last that long, or B) you can't stack a character with 6 ungodly items without playing a 90 minute game (IE, the game does not last that long). The similarity between the two is the end-game, and for new players wanting to see what the end-game is like, you can check out EM. But if you're looking to play more or less "seriously", learn the game in normal and stick to it. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2548 Posts
On September 26 2009 12:09 Lurgee wrote: I'm still totally not following why people think magmus is OP, when he is a clone of SK. | ||
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Krohm
Canada1857 Posts
I liked EM for the exact reasons I stated in my first post. He can at least learn the full range of items. The full range of heroes. Granted Intelligence heroes are not as useful. The learning curve isn't too high in HoN, but there is a difference between being mediocre, and being good. Majority being mediocre. Really though to each their own. I learned both modes personally. I would play em and non-em as I found them. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17700 Posts
On September 26 2009 15:12 Krohm wrote: I told him to stick to EM (for the time being) because he simply wouldn't last in non-em. He'll get yelled out of every single game. I'm sure he'd eventually get tired and just give up, if he gets booted, or yelled at every game. If he comes to non-em games after playing em ones it's going to be exactly the same, so he might just as well skip the em process. Edit: on a side note. For beginners it's better to play int heroes. They're usually ranged and you do most of the stuff with your spells. It's waaaay harder to be any good with melee agi heroes for example (especially if you're laned against ranged heroes early game, if you don't know the game you're gonna get fuxored very hard). | ||
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Yea EM kinda favors Agility-based dudes since they can get faster gold to buff up. As for a newbie, I would suggest playing Int-based and range heroes like Plague Raider or Pyromancer (the stun needs some timing effort but it shouldn't be that hard to figure out how). Those are heroes who are skills dependent and can easily wtfpwn pretty much any non-pro player in less than 5 seconds. Magmus is a good one, but with low armor and the ultimate timing issue, it can be a tough piece for beginners. He has like 0.5 armor at the beginning and if you're not so good, you can get ganked pretty hard lol ... Anyway, my ID is nayumi by the way. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Accursed (Abbadon) for example has shields, heals, reverse damage absorb ult that is automatic when life is low. He's mostly a support character/tank and since he's so hard to kill if you play him right. People may not even target you first in big battles when you can't tell what the fuck is going on. Which helps alot because you can kinda stand back and shield/heal the guys who get weakened. Here is another main tip for laning/farming: Don't just auto attack (unless you are pushing).3 reasons why; 1st, You wanna just get the last hit, so you don't wanna be on attack cooldown and miss the money. 2nd, you don't want to kill the creeps too fast, you wanna waste as much time keeping them away from their tower as possible, because you can't get too close to towers early on. 3rd, when you're at the front lines, you take stray damage. You are a lot easier to gank when you are as close as you can be to the enemy and usually this means you are pretty stationary as well. We all know in FPS games standing in one place = death. Pretty much same thing in these kinds of games. So just run around back and forth behind the action (to absorb all the EXP) and try to get last hits on enemy mobs as well as deny last hits on your mobs from the other heroes. Also, if you have a ranged hero try to get pot shots on their guy as much as possible. If you can get him to run away to heal in fear of a gank early on, that's a lot of exp he lost and will be behind in levels. I'm still pretty noob and I've had great success with heroes like Arachna (drow ranger) and Slither (hydra). They are both agility heroes and they hit pretty decently hard as well as attack fast, and are ranged. So it makes it a lot easier for me to get last hits,denies, and pot shots. And since I get the last hits more easily it gives me more money and a better chance to survive (via items that boost your life). They also have slowing attacks that make me a better support hero (since I'm not really the main damage dealer even though I can be later with items). Also, items like ____ shroud (lothar's edge) make you invisible and run faster so your survival rate increases and so does your ganking/supporting with the slowing attacks. My K/D/A ratio is pretty bad normally but with these heroes I get it to stay at least 50% as opposed to getting owned up. Also, I would avoid melee characters who do little damage at first. People like Hound (steal assasin) and Magebane (Magina). They have low hp, low damage, and since they are melee it makes it hard to get money at first. They don't get powerful until later. And if you can't get items you are easy ganking fodder everytime and then it's just a slippery slope because you lose money and they gain it. Also avoid characters who have spells that increase damage taken as a negative side effect. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17700 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17700 Posts
 You get that when despite going 17/5/4 you look at the team frags and you discover it's 21(your team) vs 54... Also, playing 4v5 in 8 out of 10 games isn't really good for you.PSR means nothing in this game, just like this points in dota-league as they don't measure any individual performance, just the random team win/loss ratio which is absolutely irrelevant. | ||
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errol1001
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