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insectoceanx
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States331 Posts
September 25 2009 20:19 GMT
#1
Well i got a beta key, and ive never played dota. I read a guide that made it so i didnt totally suck, but looking for anyone to play with and help me further

id is

insectocean

paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
September 25 2009 20:21 GMT
#2
check out the dota thread

it's converted to HON T_T
Hates Fun🤔
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-25 20:24:46
September 25 2009 20:23 GMT
#3
HoN/DotA are not noob friendly games... And by that I mean other players will chew you out, and yell at you all game. Sadly I am one of these people, as much I would like to help you out. I would just get frustrated and start chewing you out.

But just stick to noob games for a while. I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily. Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time.

I'll add you to my friends anyway, maybe I'll play a game with you... Maybe haha. But you can ask me for tips whenever you want.

Oh right my account name is Pitiful
Not bad for a cat toy.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
September 25 2009 20:25 GMT
#4
might be better off posting in http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=98563
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
September 25 2009 20:26 GMT
#5
Its hilarious that people with psr below 1500, which is really bad, still call people noobs.
#1 Kwanro Fan
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 25 2009 20:32 GMT
#6
On September 26 2009 05:26 Bosu wrote:
Its hilarious that people with psr below 1500, which is really bad, still call people noobs.

It's such a free for all in public games. I hate it. The best is when a noob with like a 0.5 K:D ratio starts calling you a noob.

The game suffers from slippery slope mechanics too. A lot of these kids don't realize that people do have bad games once in a while.
Not bad for a cat toy.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
September 25 2009 22:29 GMT
#7
On September 26 2009 05:23 Krohm wrote:
I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily.


Worst advice ever. By playing EM you actually hinder yourself more. It's way better to play normal games as you won't get any bad habits from EM (most common one would be thinking that you can gear up your hero in each game).
It's just like in DotA, you start off by buying some cheap stuff like reinforced bracers etc. and ONE (yeah, just one) good stuff, most likely the one that's most important for your hero to work best given the current matchup and only after you do that, you proceed on buying more gear.


Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time.


This advice is also debatable. What you really need to learn first is the basic mechanics and hero types, not specific heroes. You should go from more general stuff to more details:
1. ranged and melee
2. different main stat
3. specific hero

In this order. This way even if you never played certain hero before (in AR or SD games for example) you'll at least have a general idea of what items to get, which skills will be most useful for you and how to play it so at least you don't totally suck and feed enemies.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
September 25 2009 23:38 GMT
#8
On September 26 2009 05:23 Krohm wrote:
HoN/DotA are not noob friendly games... And by that I mean other players will chew you out, and yell at you all game. Sadly I am one of these people, as much I would like to help you out. I would just get frustrated and start chewing you out.

But just stick to noob games for a while. I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily. Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time.

I'll add you to my friends anyway, maybe I'll play a game with you... Maybe haha. But you can ask me for tips whenever you want.

Oh right my account name is Pitiful



WOWOOW lets not pretend there's some steep learning curve or something here now, you will get it if you watch a few replays (there's none for hon yet) or imitate some good players (preferably psr1800+ games) and get the right items, take note on where they go, and why they choose to fight or not to fight. Stick with your group and use all your abilities, this game is ridiculously easy, BUT, you need a good team that sticks together and pushes as a team, the end.

actually, no, that's not the end, go play arachna/magmus/succubus, THE END.
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
September 26 2009 00:04 GMT
#9
play thunderbringer

i think there is a good guide on how to use him
*TL CJ Entusman #40* "like scissors does anything to paper except MAKE IT MORE NUMEROUS" -paper
Lurgee
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia252 Posts
September 26 2009 03:09 GMT
#10
I'm still totally not following why people think magmus is OP, when he is a clone of SK.
VorcePA
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1102 Posts
September 26 2009 03:39 GMT
#11
On September 26 2009 05:23 Krohm wrote:
But just stick to noob games for a while. I'd suggest playing easy mode games for a while. You get more gold and level up quicker so you can learn what items work on your guy more easily. Stick to using a few heroes at a time. Instead of picking a new one each time.


Sticking to easy mode is terrible advice. Easy mode and normal are two completely different games, and normal is where you learn to play the game... competitively? I actually don't know, since I pretty much only play EM. It's not that I have anything against normal, it's just that EM is more casual and more enjoyable. The only competitive game I really play [competitively] is starcraft.

Easy mode favors agi carries more than normal does, because the end-game comes much more quickly. Int-favoring heroes or heroes with spells/abilities that do not scale well get phased out sooner. Most games in normal do not have that problem because A) the game does not last that long, or B) you can't stack a character with 6 ungodly items without playing a 90 minute game (IE, the game does not last that long).

The similarity between the two is the end-game, and for new players wanting to see what the end-game is like, you can check out EM. But if you're looking to play more or less "seriously", learn the game in normal and stick to it.
Shitposting
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2538 Posts
September 26 2009 05:21 GMT
#12
On September 26 2009 12:09 Lurgee wrote:
I'm still totally not following why people think magmus is OP, when he is a clone of SK.

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Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
September 26 2009 06:12 GMT
#13
I told him to stick to EM (for the time being) because he simply wouldn't last in non-em. He'll get yelled out of every single game. I'm sure he'd eventually get tired and just give up, if he gets booted, or yelled at every game. People are never willing to help noobs. Unless he can a find a noob only Non-EM game. Then its still iffy. Since hes a newb as well Intelligence heroes are generally harder to use, so I'm guessing he'll be gearing more towards Strength or Agility. Which work better in EM.

I liked EM for the exact reasons I stated in my first post. He can at least learn the full range of items. The full range of heroes. Granted Intelligence heroes are not as useful.

The learning curve isn't too high in HoN, but there is a difference between being mediocre, and being good. Majority being mediocre.

Really though to each their own. I learned both modes personally. I would play em and non-em as I found them.
Not bad for a cat toy.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-26 12:58:18
September 26 2009 12:56 GMT
#14
On September 26 2009 15:12 Krohm wrote:
I told him to stick to EM (for the time being) because he simply wouldn't last in non-em. He'll get yelled out of every single game. I'm sure he'd eventually get tired and just give up, if he gets booted, or yelled at every game.


If he comes to non-em games after playing em ones it's going to be exactly the same, so he might just as well skip the em process.

Edit: on a side note. For beginners it's better to play int heroes. They're usually ranged and you do most of the stuff with your spells. It's waaaay harder to be any good with melee agi heroes for example (especially if you're laned against ranged heroes early game, if you don't know the game you're gonna get fuxored very hard).
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 26 2009 21:16 GMT
#15
hahaha I raged all the time in HoN, it's a good way to release stress even though I might be mean to others. Oh well, I normally rage when my teammates are dickheads who play Scout and spend their entire games farming creeps and ks'ing with snipe, not giving a shit about anything else. I'm not a pro myself, I'm kinda okay with a certain heroes (no not Scout), but pretty bad with others.

Yea EM kinda favors Agility-based dudes since they can get faster gold to buff up. As for a newbie, I would suggest playing Int-based and range heroes like Plague Raider or Pyromancer (the stun needs some timing effort but it shouldn't be that hard to figure out how). Those are heroes who are skills dependent and can easily wtfpwn pretty much any non-pro player in less than 5 seconds.

Magmus is a good one, but with low armor and the ultimate timing issue, it can be a tough piece for beginners. He has like 0.5 armor at the beginning and if you're not so good, you can get ganked pretty hard lol ...

Anyway, my ID is nayumi by the way.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-26 22:05:08
September 26 2009 21:53 GMT
#16
Advice to you is to pick a hero that has pretty good life/defense spells and/or pick heroes that can use really defensive tanking items.
Accursed (Abbadon) for example has shields, heals, reverse damage absorb ult that is automatic when life is low. He's mostly a support character/tank and since he's so hard to kill if you play him right. People may not even target you first in big battles when you can't tell what the fuck is going on. Which helps alot because you can kinda stand back and shield/heal the guys who get weakened.

Here is another main tip for laning/farming:
Don't just auto attack (unless you are pushing).3 reasons why;
1st, You wanna just get the last hit, so you don't wanna be on attack cooldown and miss the money.
2nd, you don't want to kill the creeps too fast, you wanna waste as much time keeping them away from their tower as possible, because you can't get too close to towers early on.
3rd, when you're at the front lines, you take stray damage. You are a lot easier to gank when you are as close as you can be to the enemy and usually this means you are pretty stationary as well. We all know in FPS games standing in one place = death. Pretty much same thing in these kinds of games.

So just run around back and forth behind the action (to absorb all the EXP) and try to get last hits on enemy mobs as well as deny last hits on your mobs from the other heroes. Also, if you have a ranged hero try to get pot shots on their guy as much as possible. If you can get him to run away to heal in fear of a gank early on, that's a lot of exp he lost and will be behind in levels.

I'm still pretty noob and I've had great success with heroes like Arachna (drow ranger) and Slither (hydra). They are both agility heroes and they hit pretty decently hard as well as attack fast, and are ranged. So it makes it a lot easier for me to get last hits,denies, and pot shots. And since I get the last hits more easily it gives me more money and a better chance to survive (via items that boost your life). They also have slowing attacks that make me a better support hero (since I'm not really the main damage dealer even though I can be later with items). Also, items like ____ shroud (lothar's edge) make you invisible and run faster so your survival rate increases and so does your ganking/supporting with the slowing attacks. My K/D/A ratio is pretty bad normally but with these heroes I get it to stay at least 50% as opposed to getting owned up.

Also, I would avoid melee characters who do little damage at first. People like Hound (steal assasin) and Magebane (Magina). They have low hp, low damage, and since they are melee it makes it hard to get money at first. They don't get powerful until later. And if you can't get items you are easy ganking fodder everytime and then it's just a slippery slope because you lose money and they gain it.
Also avoid characters who have spells that increase damage taken as a negative side effect.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
September 26 2009 22:26 GMT
#17
Just one thing to add to what CharlieMurphy said. When taking pot shots make sure to make just one at a time (as soon as your first projectile starts flying towards the enemy hero you should start moving back) because enemy creeps and towers will automatically make you their target if you start attacking enemy heroes. It's best done with some attack-altering shots (like arachna slow), you shouldn't use it on autocast, instead target enemies with it while taking pot shots. Spells and attack-altering skills not used on autocast ignore the enemy creep/tower target change so it's safer to nuke them this way.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
September 27 2009 00:31 GMT
#18
Great Chalie, you just created another 1300 PSR Arachna/Scout picker. And then he'll wonder why the entire team rages at him.
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17255 Posts
September 27 2009 08:01 GMT
#19
Haha, I've had 1300psr yesterday You get that when despite going 17/5/4 you look at the team frags and you discover it's 21(your team) vs 54... Also, playing 4v5 in 8 out of 10 games isn't really good for you.
PSR means nothing in this game, just like this points in dota-league as they don't measure any individual performance, just the random team win/loss ratio which is absolutely irrelevant.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
errol1001
Profile Joined April 2008
454 Posts
September 28 2009 02:24 GMT
#20
EM and non-EM are not that different. it's like saying if someone plays starcraft on faster, they will have to learn everything over again when they start playing fastest.
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