• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:16
CEST 21:16
KST 04:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho2Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure4[ASL19] Ro4 Preview: Storied Rivals7Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, sOs, Reynor, Solar15
Community News
[BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET1herO & Cure GSL RO8 Interviews: "I also think that all the practice I put in when Protoss wasn’t doing as well is paying off"0Code S Season 1 - herO & Cure advance to RO4 (2025)0Dark to begin military service on May 13th (2025)21Weekly Cups (May 5-11): New 2v2 Champs1
StarCraft 2
General
2024/25 Off-Season Roster Moves Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure Dark to begin military service on May 13th (2025) I hope balance council is prepping final balance
Tourneys
SEL Code A [MMR-capped] (SC: Evo) [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO8 - Group B RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Cheeseadelphia 2025 - Open Bracket LAN! [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO12 - Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise
Brood War
General
ASL 19 Tickets for foreigners BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games Battlenet Game Lobby Simulator BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL19] Semifinal B [ASL19] Semifinal A [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET [BSL20] RO32 Group H - Sunday 17:00 CET
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Grand Theft Auto VI Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. Ask and answer stupid questions here! Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Why 5v5 Games Keep Us Hooked…
TrAiDoS
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
Racial Distribution over MMR …
Navane
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 21830 users

Greek Sculpture (yes I'm bored)

Blogs > Kerotan
Post a Reply
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-25 11:04:20
September 25 2009 03:24 GMT
#1
So I'm bored, I can't be arsed with sleep right now, so have some free knowledge about Greek sculpture, since while everyone else was learning about politics or becoming a sportsman, I was learning about images of men with cocks missing.

Oh well.

(depending on how prude your workplace is, the images may be NSFW)

The birth of Greek sculpture (Archaic)
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Massive Image here

The New York Kouros (590BC-580BC)
Basically, as you can see its pretty basic.
Early Greek sculptures had influences from Egyptian sculpture, where the statue was often not free standing, adopting the same stance as this kouros, but with the back and trailing leg supported by a decorated pillar, artistically and technically, this an improvement, but feeble attempts have been made replicating human anatomy, indicated by the pair of v shaped lines on his torso, designating his chest, and the start of his legs, along with a wavy line to show his pectoral muscles.

Although it is at the face where the statue fails most of all, with big wide eyes that look like they are off a alien, a blank expression to match, and hair that can be described as stylistic at best.

The anatomical look of the Kouros is rounded off by the pose that it is left foot in front of the right, as if a attempt at a striding pose, but the arms held rigidly at his sides, quite simply, the sculpter can't seem to decide if the statue is at rest, in stride or standing to attention.

As a result, the statue seems to lack any meaning outside of a poor representation of the human form.

honourable mention
[image loading]

Kleobis and Biton (580BC~)

Achieved arguably the same things the statue above, but has some meaning, in the fact the statues are of brothers, and there is an attempt to show some unity between them.

The growth of naturalism (Early Classical)
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

The Kritios Boy (480BC)
This come under the early classic period of sculpture, for a number of reasons, firstly the face. The so called "Archaic smile", that you see on archaic statues like this one, in an attempt to give them life, is gone, replaced with a more realistic rendering, along with the other features of the face, the hair is shown as if it was banded, with curls popping out underneath, and the eyes are no longer cold dead protruding orbs, but more sunken and life like, and would have contained painted marble spheres.

The most dramatic change however is in the composition of the statue, the rigid stance of old is gone, replaced with a subtle hip drop causing the upper body to be slightly rotated from the viewer, and allowing the statue hold the stance of a youth at rest, with all his weight placed on his back left leg, which in turns forms a more naturalistic pose. In addition, the marble has been sculpted smoother, to give the surface of the statue a quality more akin to skin of a nubile youth.

This, like other naturalistic statues, the aim and meaning of the statue is to accurately depict the human body.

[image loading]

The Zeus/Posiden of Artemision (460BC)
Another naturalistic statue, only this time in bronze, relatively well accomplished, except the beard is pointy and stiff, and the chest is unresponsive to the powerful movements of the arms, which while I'm on them are out of proportion.

One important thing to note with this statue is that its the birth of showing things with not just the potential for movement, but the actuality, as they have been frozen in time, and when unfrozen, they will have no choice but to throw their lightning bolt/trident/discus.

Maturity (Classical and late Classical)
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Apollo Sauroktonos (350 BC)(Praxiteles)
There are a fuck ton of statues featuring Apollo, doing what ever, (There is a reason why statues of Alexander the great look strikingly similar to statues of a Apollo) basically the Greeks loved to make statues of him, and this is one of more famous ones. Sculptures in this period usually all share one similar aim, to tell a story, or a message, and this one is no different. It depicts Apollo as a young boy, and in terms of looks the sculptor pretty much has that down, so I won't bother with that, the real thing of interest is what he is doing, or what he is about to do.

If you haven't guessed already, the "sauroktonos" in the statues name means lizard slayer, and like many small boys, he is going to have some playful fun with the local wildlife before he squashes it.
But the real message here is about Apollo's future, because I forget the details, but all you need to know is that he goes on to kill a lizard thing, and the lizard here is clearly representative of the lizard he fights later on in life. (another thing to note is the depiction of a deity as a small boy, this is a trend known as humanising the gods)

Moving on,

[image loading]

The Aphrodite of Knidos (300BC~)(Praxiteles)
All the pictures of this statue I could find are terrible, as is the way with many statues, thousands of copies exist, some worse than others, but the general idea of this sculpture primarily of humanisation, depicting Aphrodite stepping out after bathing and being seen naked, and then displaying embarrassment even shame at being caught naked, this statue was also a breakthrough in terms of being the earliest depiction of a women naked in Greek sculpture, in a role that didn't require them to be naked, i.e. the worlds oldest profession.

[image loading]
Eirene and Ploutos (370BC)(Kephisodotos)
Perhaps my favourite sculpture, this group shows the matronly Eirene, the goddess of peace amongst other things, carrying a baby who identified as the god of wealth and money etc.
Unlike statues of old which displayed clothed women with almost no hint of the female form underneath, the artist has done away with this, using where the fabric meets skin to show the female form, and like most statues of the period there have been very little advances in the technical quality of the sculpture since the early classical period, again more important is the message that its trying to convey. Through the gaze that both Eiriene and Ploutos have on each other, you can assume that they are mother and son, and since a mother's purpose is nurture and help her son grow, the overall message of the statue becomes obvious, when there is peace, wealth will grow, which is quite apt considering that this was placed in the Agora.


Anyways, that's a short, incomplete history of Greek sculpture which I started writing because I was bored, and halfway through I was ready for sleep, but then at that point I had to finish.

No doubt that I will have got something wrong in my rush to make this coherent.


*****
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Humbug
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States264 Posts
September 25 2009 03:42 GMT
#2
:O All really interesting, thanks for the post. This year I'm studying art history, and it's definitely a very fun and interesting class. (I felt smart in the first picture you posted with the reference to Egyptian art (we just finished that chapter) since I could spot out similarities between the Archaic Greek sculpture and Egyptian pieces :D)
What is an angel? Show me an angel and I shall paint one
jonnyp
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States415 Posts
September 25 2009 03:46 GMT
#3
i always found the development of greek math much more fascinating than greek sculpture and philosophy, but im probably in the minority .

great write up
The number of years it takes for the Internet to move past anything is way, way over 9000.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
September 25 2009 03:58 GMT
#4
You might enjoy this course from Yale.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Mickey
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2606 Posts
September 25 2009 04:18 GMT
#5
I remember learning this in my Art History Class. That class was really interesting even though the teacher put people to sleep.
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
September 25 2009 19:23 GMT
#6
On September 25 2009 12:58 citi.zen wrote:
You might enjoy this course from Yale.


Thanks for the comments and ratings, unfortunately Yale isn't an option for me, partly due to the distance, and partly due the great Uni's over here, but also because I'm doing Archaeology, which is kinda related, and gives me a free pass at fancy dress parties to dress up as either; Indiana Jones, or Lara Croft, because nothing says macho like crossing dressing at a fancy dress party.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-09-25 21:23:35
September 25 2009 21:14 GMT
#7
The only reason I linked to it is that its a free course, fully available online on youtube. I wasn't suggesting you go to Yale. I really like this "open education" project they have going... spent many nights watching some of their classes. Sure, they are introductory, but if I pick stuff that is not in my field there is still a lot to learn!

PS: the credit for finding that site should go to {CC}StealthBlue in his Shelly Kagan post - damn you!!!

On a more serious note - what does it say about the value of education when full courses, for which people otherwise pay an arm and a leg, are becoming freely accessible online? I guess this gives at least some support to the signalling theory of education: people don't go to school primarily to obtain "information" or "knowledge", but to socialize, develop soft skills and connections. And a diploma. Eh?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
September 26 2009 00:21 GMT
#8
On September 26 2009 06:14 citi.zen wrote:
The only reason I linked to it is that its a free course, fully available online on youtube. I wasn't suggesting you go to Yale. I really like this "open education" project they have going... spent many nights watching some of their classes. Sure, they are introductory, but if I pick stuff that is not in my field there is still a lot to learn!

PS: the credit for finding that site should go to {CC}StealthBlue in his Shelly Kagan post - damn you!!!

On a more serious note - what does it say about the value of education when full courses, for which people otherwise pay an arm and a leg, are becoming freely accessible online? I guess this gives at least some support to the signalling theory of education: people don't go to school primarily to obtain "information" or "knowledge", but to socialize, develop soft skills and connections. And a diploma. Eh?


Are awesome cool, I didn't watch all the video as you may have guessed but I think I will now.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
17:00
GSL 2025 Ro8 Group B
Reynor vs MaruLIVE!
IndyStarCraft 237
EnkiAlexander 83
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 691
IndyStarCraft 237
ProTech88
StarCraft: Brood War
BeSt 523
Dewaltoss 181
Shinee 32
ZZZero.O 24
Sexy 11
Dota 2
Dendi1512
Pyrionflax93
Counter-Strike
apEX3197
ScreaM2932
fl0m1361
Fnx 786
pashabiceps702
Stewie2K655
flusha294
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu332
Other Games
Grubby2595
FrodaN1058
ceh9660
B2W.Neo367
ArmadaUGS171
QueenE43
BRAT_OK 41
MindelVK8
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv152
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 60
• IndyKCrew
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• intothetv
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 11
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis9560
• Jankos2270
• TFBlade1165
Other Games
• imaqtpie1138
• WagamamaTV245
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
3h 44m
OSC
4h 44m
GSL Code S
14h 14m
herO vs GuMiho
Classic vs Cure
BSL 2v2 ProLeague S3
23h 44m
OSC
1d 4h
Korean StarCraft League
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 14h
SOOP
1d 22h
HeRoMaRinE vs Astrea
BSL Season 20
1d 22h
UltrA vs Radley
spx vs RaNgeD
Online Event
2 days
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
Percival vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Spirit
MaxPax vs Jumy
BSL Season 20
2 days
TerrOr vs HBO
Tarson vs Spine
RSL Revival
2 days
BSL Season 20
2 days
MadiNho vs dxtr13
Gypsy vs Dark
Wardi Open
3 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL Nation Wars Season 2
PiG Sty Festival 6.0
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
2025 GSL S1
Heroes 10 EU
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

NPSL S3
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.