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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
November 19 2011 03:20 GMT
#481
Not sure if this is the kind of feedback you guys wanted: [image loading]
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
November 19 2011 03:33 GMT
#482
LOL, that's awesome.
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
November 19 2011 04:03 GMT
#483
tofucake spotted
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
November 19 2011 05:52 GMT
#484
On November 19 2011 13:03 Antoine wrote:
tofucake spotted

omg, which nerd is he??
We're here! We're queer! We don't want any more bears!
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
November 19 2011 07:13 GMT
#485
the only one misguided enough to hold up a liquipedia sign, of course
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Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
November 19 2011 20:57 GMT
#486
From reddit:

"I've been DREAMING of being able to go to this page and have the matches streamed on red highlighted in red, blue in blue, and little superscript "beta 1" and "beta 2" by the others. I think the ratio of usefulness to ease of implementation is astronomical."

Thoughts?
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Wren
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States745 Posts
November 19 2011 22:09 GMT
#487
On November 20 2011 05:57 Shaetan wrote:
From reddit:

"I've been DREAMING of being able to go to this page and have the matches streamed on red highlighted in red, blue in blue, and little superscript "beta 1" and "beta 2" by the others. I think the ratio of usefulness to ease of implementation is astronomical."

Thoughts?

Same dude was just in the IRC chat. It's impossible to do well, especially because this exists: http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/schedule
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jsemmens
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States439 Posts
November 24 2011 10:53 GMT
#488
To whom it may concern,

I frequently spend my spare time reading Liquipedia articles, and there has always been one thing about the player pages that has bothered me:

For GSL players, the general structure of the page is "General Info"-->"Code S history"-->"Code A history"

I find this very hard to read, and would suggest reorganizing the pages so that results are listed chronologically. This way, I can read about the player's progress over time. For example, perhaps the story of a player might be "Gets into Code S at beginning of 2011, injuries cause player to fall down to Code A for a while, player makes a comeback to Code S at the end of the year."

It is really difficult to figure this out if all the Code S tournament performances are all listed together, even though they may have occurred a whole year apart (this will become more of a problem as the history of the GSL extends to, perhaps, many years of competitions).

Just my two cents, I guess. If you are interested, perhaps I could rewrite a player's page as a sample of what I imagine it looking like.

Thank you for your time,
Jeff Semmens (jsemmens)
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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
November 24 2011 11:35 GMT
#489
Doing a few of those edits and following previous styles, I also thought it would be confusing to some people. I think separating it by seasons would be a better option. Or even just paragraphs dedicated to each season...

Example:

===GSL October===
stuff here ...

===GSL November===
more stuff here...

or

==Wings of Liberty==
===Outside of Korea===
stuffs...

===GSL===
stuff about 1st season

stuff about 2nd season


stuffs =x
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19193 Posts
November 24 2011 15:53 GMT
#490
On November 19 2011 16:13 Antoine wrote:
the only one misguided enough to hold up a liquipedia sign, of course

That's DivinO you scrub
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
November 24 2011 19:42 GMT
#491
Both signs were awesome! So jealous of the one with sigs too!
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19193 Posts
November 24 2011 19:43 GMT
#492
On November 25 2011 04:42 blahz0r wrote:
Both signs were awesome! So jealous of the one with sigs too!

That's on the other side of that sign
Liquipediaasante sana squash banana
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
November 24 2011 20:02 GMT
#493
On November 24 2011 19:53 jsemmens wrote:
To whom it may concern,

I frequently spend my spare time reading Liquipedia articles, and there has always been one thing about the player pages that has bothered me:

For GSL players, the general structure of the page is "General Info"-->"Code S history"-->"Code A history"

I find this very hard to read, and would suggest reorganizing the pages so that results are listed chronologically. This way, I can read about the player's progress over time. For example, perhaps the story of a player might be "Gets into Code S at beginning of 2011, injuries cause player to fall down to Code A for a while, player makes a comeback to Code S at the end of the year."

It is really difficult to figure this out if all the Code S tournament performances are all listed together, even though they may have occurred a whole year apart (this will become more of a problem as the history of the GSL extends to, perhaps, many years of competitions).

Just my two cents, I guess. If you are interested, perhaps I could rewrite a player's page as a sample of what I imagine it looking like.

Thank you for your time,
Jeff Semmens (jsemmens)

If you'd like, try editing a player's page to fix this issue, if it's a good structure it will be copied.
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
iMAniaC
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 07:36:29
November 25 2011 07:03 GMT
#494
May I request a template edit?

I thought of a new use for the Racial Distribution template, and that is by showing racial distribution over time. I threw something together, but realized I couldn't (or didn't know how?) to change the width of the title, and consequently, it looks kind of ... ugly.

More specifically: (Wiki)User:IMAniaC/sandbox

So is it possible to change the width of the title, or edit the template so that it's possible? Normally, I'd tinker around with it myself until I got it right (I often find HTML semi-intuitive), but for a template that's used over and over on the most popular pages... I'm too afraid to wreck the whole LP to start tinkering with that...

Edit: And also a possibility to have "unknown" instead of NYD would be neat

Edit 2: Nvm., MtJoy suggested I add non-breaking spaces and that worked like a charm

Edit 3: Oh, and also another solution in the next post. Cool
ChapatiyaqPTSM
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1887 Posts
November 25 2011 07:34 GMT
#495
On November 25 2011 16:03 iMAniaC wrote:
May I request a template edit?

I thought of a new use for the Racial Distribution template, and that is by showing racial distribution over time. I threw something together, but realized I couldn't (or didn't know how?) to change the width of the title, and consequently, it looks kind of ... ugly.

More specifically: (Wiki)User:IMAniaC/sandbox

So is it possible to change the width of the title, or edit the template so that it's possible? Normally, I'd tinker around with it myself until I got it right (I often find HTML semi-intuitive), but for a template that's used over and over on the most popular pages... I'm too afraid to wreck the whole LP to start tinkering with that...

Edit: And also a possibility to have "unknown" instead of NYD would be neat


You can use the {{nowrap}} template ((Wiki)Template:nowrap) to avoid space breaks.
For example:
{{RaceDist|title={{nowrap|2010 Open Season 1}}|protoss=12|terran=24|zerg=27|first=1}}
{{RaceDist|title={{nowrap|2010 Open Season 2}}|protoss=20|terran=29|zerg=15}}
{{RaceDist|title={{nowrap|2010 Open Season 3}}|protoss=27|terran=21|zerg=16|last=1}}}}

or even apply the template to the whole thing:
{{nowrap|{{RaceDist|title=2010 Open Season 1|protoss=12|terran=24|zerg=27|first=1}}
{{RaceDist|title=2010 Open Season 2|protoss=20|terran=29|zerg=15}}
{{RaceDist|title=2010 Open Season 3|protoss=27|terran=21|zerg=16|last=1}}}}

You could also type: "2010 Open Season 1" to avoid using a template.
LiquipediaBoy, these pretzels are makin' me thirsty.
jsemmens
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States439 Posts
November 27 2011 13:18 GMT
#496
On November 25 2011 05:02 salle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2011 19:53 jsemmens wrote:
To whom it may concern,

I frequently spend my spare time reading Liquipedia articles, and there has always been one thing about the player pages that has bothered me:

For GSL players, the general structure of the page is "General Info"-->"Code S history"-->"Code A history"

I find this very hard to read, and would suggest reorganizing the pages so that results are listed chronologically. This way, I can read about the player's progress over time. For example, perhaps the story of a player might be "Gets into Code S at beginning of 2011, injuries cause player to fall down to Code A for a while, player makes a comeback to Code S at the end of the year."

It is really difficult to figure this out if all the Code S tournament performances are all listed together, even though they may have occurred a whole year apart (this will become more of a problem as the history of the GSL extends to, perhaps, many years of competitions).

Just my two cents, I guess. If you are interested, perhaps I could rewrite a player's page as a sample of what I imagine it looking like.

Thank you for your time,
Jeff Semmens (jsemmens)

If you'd like, try editing a player's page to fix this issue, if it's a good structure it will be copied.

Ok, I went ahead and rewrote sC's page in the style I was suggesting, as well as beefing it up a bit with extra citations, etc. Also, I'm not exactly sure what the best use of headers is, so I would appreciate your feedback on that as well.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=SC&stable=0

Let me know what you think!
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
November 27 2011 22:03 GMT
#497
On November 27 2011 22:18 jsemmens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 25 2011 05:02 salle wrote:
On November 24 2011 19:53 jsemmens wrote:
To whom it may concern,

I frequently spend my spare time reading Liquipedia articles, and there has always been one thing about the player pages that has bothered me:

For GSL players, the general structure of the page is "General Info"-->"Code S history"-->"Code A history"

I find this very hard to read, and would suggest reorganizing the pages so that results are listed chronologically. This way, I can read about the player's progress over time. For example, perhaps the story of a player might be "Gets into Code S at beginning of 2011, injuries cause player to fall down to Code A for a while, player makes a comeback to Code S at the end of the year."

It is really difficult to figure this out if all the Code S tournament performances are all listed together, even though they may have occurred a whole year apart (this will become more of a problem as the history of the GSL extends to, perhaps, many years of competitions).

Just my two cents, I guess. If you are interested, perhaps I could rewrite a player's page as a sample of what I imagine it looking like.

Thank you for your time,
Jeff Semmens (jsemmens)

If you'd like, try editing a player's page to fix this issue, if it's a good structure it will be copied.

Ok, I went ahead and rewrote sC's page in the style I was suggesting, as well as beefing it up a bit with extra citations, etc. Also, I'm not exactly sure what the best use of headers is, so I would appreciate your feedback on that as well.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=SC&stable=0

Let me know what you think!


I too prefer the chronologically ordering of the events, it's much better.
What I'm a bit apprehensive about is the structure of the current headers, especially that there's so many of them to often times just encompass one sentence. perhaps if you want I guess you could make a header per 10 or so sentences but even that would feel short. If you look at some of the BroodWar player pages you might see a much longer flowing text that has paragraphs upon paragraphs without any sub header which just explains a player's history. So for me it would make more sense to remove most of the headers (even 2010 and 2011) and try and see sort of narrative patterns and breaks to break the section into paragraphs. perhaps at the moment this text would just make one paragraph, because the subject matter stays the same, pretty much. Perhaps you could break it into rise (1st open 1st code and and the next code S's untill the one where he falls back down into code S, perhaps).
Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
jsemmens
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States439 Posts
November 28 2011 00:11 GMT
#498
On November 28 2011 07:03 salle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 22:18 jsemmens wrote:
On November 25 2011 05:02 salle wrote:
On November 24 2011 19:53 jsemmens wrote:
To whom it may concern,

I frequently spend my spare time reading Liquipedia articles, and there has always been one thing about the player pages that has bothered me:

For GSL players, the general structure of the page is "General Info"-->"Code S history"-->"Code A history"

I find this very hard to read, and would suggest reorganizing the pages so that results are listed chronologically. This way, I can read about the player's progress over time. For example, perhaps the story of a player might be "Gets into Code S at beginning of 2011, injuries cause player to fall down to Code A for a while, player makes a comeback to Code S at the end of the year."

It is really difficult to figure this out if all the Code S tournament performances are all listed together, even though they may have occurred a whole year apart (this will become more of a problem as the history of the GSL extends to, perhaps, many years of competitions).

Just my two cents, I guess. If you are interested, perhaps I could rewrite a player's page as a sample of what I imagine it looking like.

Thank you for your time,
Jeff Semmens (jsemmens)

If you'd like, try editing a player's page to fix this issue, if it's a good structure it will be copied.

Ok, I went ahead and rewrote sC's page in the style I was suggesting, as well as beefing it up a bit with extra citations, etc. Also, I'm not exactly sure what the best use of headers is, so I would appreciate your feedback on that as well.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=SC&stable=0

Let me know what you think!


I too prefer the chronologically ordering of the events, it's much better.
What I'm a bit apprehensive about is the structure of the current headers, especially that there's so many of them to often times just encompass one sentence. perhaps if you want I guess you could make a header per 10 or so sentences but even that would feel short. If you look at some of the BroodWar player pages you might see a much longer flowing text that has paragraphs upon paragraphs without any sub header which just explains a player's history. So for me it would make more sense to remove most of the headers (even 2010 and 2011) and try and see sort of narrative patterns and breaks to break the section into paragraphs. perhaps at the moment this text would just make one paragraph, because the subject matter stays the same, pretty much. Perhaps you could break it into rise (1st open 1st code and and the next code S's untill the one where he falls back down into code S, perhaps).

Thanks for the feedback, I'll rework it with less headers. To be honest, I also was a bit suspicious about my use of headers. Also, just to note, whoever did the page on MVP (the player) used yearly headers as well.
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
November 28 2011 06:47 GMT
#499
On November 28 2011 09:11 jsemmens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 28 2011 07:03 salle wrote:
On November 27 2011 22:18 jsemmens wrote:
On November 25 2011 05:02 salle wrote:
On November 24 2011 19:53 jsemmens wrote:
To whom it may concern,

I frequently spend my spare time reading Liquipedia articles, and there has always been one thing about the player pages that has bothered me:

For GSL players, the general structure of the page is "General Info"-->"Code S history"-->"Code A history"

I find this very hard to read, and would suggest reorganizing the pages so that results are listed chronologically. This way, I can read about the player's progress over time. For example, perhaps the story of a player might be "Gets into Code S at beginning of 2011, injuries cause player to fall down to Code A for a while, player makes a comeback to Code S at the end of the year."

It is really difficult to figure this out if all the Code S tournament performances are all listed together, even though they may have occurred a whole year apart (this will become more of a problem as the history of the GSL extends to, perhaps, many years of competitions).

Just my two cents, I guess. If you are interested, perhaps I could rewrite a player's page as a sample of what I imagine it looking like.

Thank you for your time,
Jeff Semmens (jsemmens)

If you'd like, try editing a player's page to fix this issue, if it's a good structure it will be copied.

Ok, I went ahead and rewrote sC's page in the style I was suggesting, as well as beefing it up a bit with extra citations, etc. Also, I'm not exactly sure what the best use of headers is, so I would appreciate your feedback on that as well.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/index.php?title=SC&stable=0

Let me know what you think!


I too prefer the chronologically ordering of the events, it's much better.
What I'm a bit apprehensive about is the structure of the current headers, especially that there's so many of them to often times just encompass one sentence. perhaps if you want I guess you could make a header per 10 or so sentences but even that would feel short. If you look at some of the BroodWar player pages you might see a much longer flowing text that has paragraphs upon paragraphs without any sub header which just explains a player's history. So for me it would make more sense to remove most of the headers (even 2010 and 2011) and try and see sort of narrative patterns and breaks to break the section into paragraphs. perhaps at the moment this text would just make one paragraph, because the subject matter stays the same, pretty much. Perhaps you could break it into rise (1st open 1st code and and the next code S's untill the one where he falls back down into code S, perhaps).

Thanks for the feedback, I'll rework it with less headers. To be honest, I also was a bit suspicious about my use of headers. Also, just to note, whoever did the page on MVP (the player) used yearly headers as well.


Okay, I think the amount of headers should kinda reflect the content Like for IdrA there's clearly a breaking point, when he moves from korea back to the US. For other players it could be when they change teams, as that does change a player's circumstances quite a lot. for sC I'd say you have two periods, the first is from the open seasons all the way to when he fails to keep himself in code S, that's like a chapter, his rise into and eventual fall out of code S. Then you have the collapse and changing of teams from fOu/FXO to MVP, ending the first "chapter" sort off, the second starting with the start of GSL 9, which is the first === sub header you'd need, and it could read "in MvP" or something else signifying the switch. perhaps you can think of something better.
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jsemmens
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States439 Posts
November 28 2011 07:09 GMT
#500
Yeah, I definitely see what you're talking about, because Wikipedia does a similar thing for pages on athletes (for example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Sosa), where their career is divided into portions, usually one for each team the player was on. I'll give it a try.
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