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berated-
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Why is this going on? | ||
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Klogon
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berated-
United States1134 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=53606 Sorry for not including them in the first place and thanks for responding. Edit: After reading most of the technology topics in the closed thread most look unresolved. | ||
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Klogon
MURICA15980 Posts
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Cpt Obvious
Germany3073 Posts
On May 21 2007 18:03 mrmin123 wrote: Drunken mod rage. That and Rekrul's ":-)" in the other thread he was referring to. I guess it was just some misclicks from a pretty buzzed Rekrul. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
Homework topics are banned from tl.net, tech threads as far as I know are not. | ||
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Beyonder
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Netherlands15103 Posts
Ask the company you bought the pc from instead. Or google. | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
When someone has some kind of software problem (remember veg's hilarious topic where he deleted rundll) I think they're fine. | ||
ShabZzoY!
Great Britain760 Posts
TL isnt an ideal place to do so unless the problem is BW/gaming specific in which case its not a bad place to post | ||
berated-
United States1134 Posts
On May 23 2007 04:25 Rekrul wrote: Umm...no you stupid fucks, tech threads are banned from tl.net U got no idea how many I have to close Hey look guys, I'm Rekrul so I can be an asshole to whomever I want. Treat others with respect often? It was a legitimate question and not all of the admins agree with you, how is that even right? | ||
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CTStalker
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berated-
United States1134 Posts
If someone feels comfortable with the people they are around and know that their question will be answered when coming to a forum, what would make them want to search out another site? They should only do it because there are other places to get help? That just doesn't make sense to me. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:11 bErAtEd- wrote: Hey look guys, I'm Rekrul so I can be an asshole to whomever I want. Treat others with respect often? It was a legitimate question and not all of the admins agree with you, how is that even right? i don't see why you can't ask a tech forum or look up FAQs or use google rather than post here. this is a gaming site and shouldn't be treated as a tech support site. i agree with rek in this case, we should ban all tech support stuff that doesn't directly have to deal with brood war or video games. i guess i could see a thread about video cards used to play a certain game or why BW isn't working for you, but not about general tech help. | ||
berated-
United States1134 Posts
I didn't say "Rekrul is an asshole for closing threads immediately. He hardly ever observes forum rules and is just an ass in general." So why is it okay that he responds the way that he did. The question isn't any longer about the tech help but the way in which it is being handled. No where in the rules of the forum does it say do not come here and ask about technology stuff. There is so much that goes on in the general forum that I was just curious as to why they were being closed. A simple, "we would like to try to keep the content as close to gaming as possible" would have been a better answer dont' you think? Edit: I keep reading over your post hot_bid...now I have no beef with you and I like you. However how do you feel justified by saying this is a gaming site so keep the content off the tech stuff. Have you even peaked in the general forum? How much of that is related to gaming? Once again I'm not questioning the job being done by the admins, I just don't understand what makes life help different from tech support help. Its not my forum so I can't enforce the rules, just simply asking. | ||
.kaz
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:30 bErAtEd- wrote: There are a lot of relationship sites/emotional problem sites too, should Team Liquid close down all those threads too? If someone feels comfortable with the people they are around and know that their question will be answered when coming to a forum, what would make them want to search out another site? They should only do it because there are other places to get help? That just doesn't make sense to me. don't put words in my mouth - i didn't say tech support threads should all be closed, i said that dedicated tech support forum would be ridiculous. try your straw man idiocy elsewhere | ||
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United States1134 Posts
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.kaz
1963 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:42 CTStalker wrote: don't put words in my mouth - i didn't say tech support threads should all be closed, i said that dedicated tech support forum would be ridiculous. try your straw man idiocy elsewhere In order to cope with all the Starcraft 2 threads, a starcraft 2 forum was created, and rekrul said that there are a ton of technical threads, so why are you so reluctant to have a technical forum? And If that isn't the case, then what's wrong with them being in General? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:34 bErAtEd- wrote: Even if you agree with rekrul that gives him the right to respond with "no you stupid fucks" I didn't say "Rekrul is an asshole for closing threads immediately. He hardly ever observes forum rules and is just an ass in general." So why is it okay that he responds the way that he did. The question isn't any longer about the tech help but the way in which it is being handled. No where in the rules of the forum does it say do not come here and ask about technology stuff. There is so much that goes on in the general forum that I was just curious as to why they were being closed. A simple, "we would like to try to keep the content as close to gaming as possible" would have been a better answer dont' you think? if you have a problem with the way a moderator handles things take it up with that moderator or make a thread about it in feedback. i was simply responding to your OP which was asking why your pdf help thread was closed. this thread was not titled "rekrul was an asshole, discuss" and you didn't mention it in your OP. i don't see you taking offense to what he said affects whether your thread should be closed or not. secondly, in the "How to Use Teamliquid" sticky thread, it specifically states Ensure that your title includes a tag such as [Help], [R] (for request), [Vid] for video, etc. Poor threads will be locked. you did not do this, despite your thread being a help thread. Rek could've easily just closed your thread on those grounds, so please don't be a rules freak like "oh xxx isn't specifically stated so we shouldn't close xxx." this forum isn't a legal contract, mods have a lot of leeway in how they interpret and judge things case by case. it is generally accepted that TL is not your personal help forum. the general forum is for discussion, not asking specific questions that do not lead to discussion. yes there is a bit of disagreement on this topic, but there is precedent for closing threads like yours. try not to turn this into a "omg rek is an asshole and i am a victim of his jerkishness" argument because you will not win. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:44 .kaz wrote: In order to cope with all the Starcraft 2 threads, a starcraft 2 forum was created, and rekrul said that there are a ton of technical threads, so why are you so reluctant to have a technical forum? And If that isn't the case, then what's wrong with them being in General? a tech support forum would be probably the worst idea ever. it's pure idiocy just like CT said. why not have a HW help forum, a love&sex forum, a move trailer forum, a "random" forum, a politics forum, a "talk about pets" forum?? because each forum on the left is created with a very specific and deliberate purpose, adding random stupid clutter forums that wont get much traffic is useless. i mean are you seriously comparing a "tech support" forum to the starcraft2 forum on a website solely dedicated to starcraft? you really can't see why we have one and not the other??? | ||
.kaz
1963 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:46 Hot_Bid wrote: if you have a problem with the way a moderator handles things take it up with that moderator or make a thread about it in feedback. i was simply responding to your OP which was asking why your pdf help thread was closed. this thread was not titled "rekrul was an asshole, discuss" and you didn't mention it in your OP. i don't see you taking offense to what he said affects whether your thread should be closed or not. secondly, in the "How to Use Teamliquid" sticky thread, it specifically states Ensure that your title includes a tag such as [Help], [R] (for request), [Vid] for video, etc. Poor threads will be locked. you did not do this, despite your thread being a help thread. Rek could've easily just closed your thread on those grounds, so please don't be a rules freak like "oh xxx isn't specifically stated so we shouldn't close xxx." this forum isn't a legal contract, mods have a lot of leeway in how they interpret and judge things case by case. it is generally accepted that TL is not your personal help forum. the general forum is for discussion, not asking specific questions that do not lead to discussion. yes there is a bit of disagreement on this topic, but there is precedent for closing threads like yours. try not to turn this into a "omg rek is an asshole and i am a victim of his jerkishness" argument because you will not win. You're contradicting yourself here, there are a ton of threads in general that do not have the [R] or [Help] tags and are still allowed. Edit: I was just offering an idea to solve the problem, and IMO Tech support should be allowed in general because it is in fact a general topic. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:50 .kaz wrote: You're contradicting yourself here, there are a ton of threads in general that do not have the [R] or [Help] tags and are still allowed. how am i contradicting myself? he said that his thread shouldn't be closed because it wasn't explicitly stated in the rules. i said if he's going to be technical, his thread really should have been closed based on the rules. but that is not the point. the point is mods have the ability to decide which thread gets closed and which doesnt on a case by case basis, it's not set in stone, hence an explanation for why not every thread requesting something without an [R] is closed. also, i believe a lot of those threads should be closed but mods simply aren't as active as they should be. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
tech support, excepting cases where bw and battle.net are concerned, has little to do with this site, other than the game that we all love to follow runs on a computer. | ||
.kaz
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berated-
United States1134 Posts
I don't feel victimized because my thread got closed. You are right I could just go to another website and find info. All in all though I find the tech threads to be interesting and as far as I knew it wasn't in any violation of the rules. That is why we are where we are. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:53 .kaz wrote: You say that in the how to use teamliquid thread that it clearly states that you must place a tag on the thread, but you go onto say don't be a rule freak and say that it's not stated so its allowed. What I mean here is that, if the rules aren't set in stone, then why does someone have to put a tag? please read carefully what i wrote, because you clearly don't understand the point of what i said. | ||
.kaz
1963 Posts
1. That there are certain rules on this site and that you must use them or your thread is viable to be closed. 2. That he shouldn't be a rule freak and create a thread about this just because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that tech threads aren't allowed. Do you understand what I wrote..? | ||
AmorVincitOmnia
Kenya3846 Posts
it's been this way for as long as i can remember i personally like the "fuck you" mentality, and i wish more mods were like that. | ||
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CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
but sometimes you just gotta accept that it's a crap idea and move on | ||
berated-
United States1134 Posts
On May 23 2007 12:01 AmorVincitOmnia wrote: if you have a problem with the way rek handles things, don't come to tl ;/ it's been this way for as long as i can remember i personally like the "fuck you" mentality, and i wish more mods were like that. Invitation accepted. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 23 2007 11:59 .kaz wrote: I understand perfectly what you said. You present two points in what I put in bold. 1. That there are certain rules on this site and that you must use them or your thread is viable to be closed. 2. That he shouldn't be a rule freak and create a thread about this just because it doesn't say anywhere in the rules that tech threads aren't allowed. Do you understand what I wrote..? On May 23 2007 11:51 Hot_Bid wrote: how am i contradicting myself? he said that his thread shouldn't be closed because it wasn't explicitly stated in the rules. i said if he's going to be technical, his thread really should have been closed based on the rules. but that is not the point. the point is mods have the ability to decide which thread gets closed and which doesnt on a case by case basis, it's not set in stone, hence an explanation for why not every thread requesting something without an [R] is closed. also, i believe a lot of those threads should be closed but mods simply aren't as active as they should be. please read fully what i wrote instead of simply focusing on one line and your own faulty logic ok? posters like you are why rekrul exists and why its ok for him to be an asshole | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36375 Posts
On May 23 2007 12:11 .kaz wrote: Nice job editing your post Hot_Bid, if you would have edited it faster I would have read the rest. There is no need to get an attitude towards me, we are having a civilized conversation about rules on this site and discussing why his thread was closed. Nothing that I say is personal, and there is no reason to say that I have faulty logic because you type slow. i completely disagree. everyone else in this thread was having a civilized conversation about the rules on this site. you, on the other hand, posted and focused on 2 lines of text in my post trying to catch me in what you believed to be a logical fallacy. it had nothing to do with the discussion at hand, except to try to "score points" against my argument, the main point of which you completely missed. not only was your post completely wrong, its the perfect example of a dumb, pointless, trolling post that mods need to crack down on. except that you weren't trolling, you thought it was a legitimate argument. ![]() | ||
ilovezil
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
I can understand when a member of the community posts a problem thats amusing or whatever and that thread being left open, or like computer purchasing advice, or a multitude of different things. The sort of thread where the guy posts something like "oh my sound doesnt work help" and there's a specific answer to the problem and he's waiting for someone here to post it I dunno, just seems unnecessary because there is a way to fix it and they can get it from somewhere else. I don't know shit about computer software but anytime I have a problem I can just spend half an hour searching for shit on google and I fix pretty much everything I fuck up. If I don't, I find somewhere with people who will answer my question. It's not really a big deal, I just don't like low-content threads unless they're funny and I'm sure a lot of regulars agree. It's just like singular Youtube videos don't really warrant a new thread. What bothers me more is the huge recent wave of people posting in the feedback forum every time their thread gets closed! | ||
berated-
United States1134 Posts
I've heard the my house my rules in just about every thread where someone has a problem, but the whole rekrul situation just really bothers me, and I know I am not alone. Most admins may not have a problem with him but they don't even agree with closing every tech thread. I just hope that a better understanding of what is allowed and not allowed would be defined. I agree with Hot_Bid that it is very laid back and that the rules aren't followed closely, but there are rules that are enforced and used to help decide posting standards. This thread got off course and didn't end up serving its purpose, and for that I apologize for starting. All in all, what is okay and what isn't in regards to this subject? Maybe we could just have a single thread that is used for tech support help and whenever one needs something the thread is bumped in lieu of starting a new thread. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
The people who like Rekrul's moderation and agree with him when he closes threads are the sort of guys who have been here for years and have thousands of posts and have entrenched themselves in this community. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
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berated-
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
On May 23 2007 15:35 bErAtEd- wrote: Things aren't always what they appear to be and I would appreciate it if you wouldn't take everything as you see it. I never really got into posting much because I didn't think I would enjoy letting others read my thoughts. I've never posted in a worse shittier forum, and just because I have a low post count doesn't mean I don't have a right to express my feelings. I've been reading team liquid since 2004 and just recently decided that I would actually give posting a try. I wasn't aware that just because I'm a 300-post registered-in-february-of-this-year that my opinions were worthless, but I'm glad you clarified that to me and now I can go 3 more years of just reading and not having ppl like you tell me what I can and can't think. This is where you're stepping out of line. You should ignore it if someone calls you a 300-post newbie cuz they're etiher kidding, or it's warranted. From this post, you're getting nothing accomplished but creating more to the chain of flames. I never got flamed when I was at 300 posts because I never really tried to bring attention to myself. Fakesteve and Rekrul, although extremely strict or harsh at times, have been part of this community for a while, and I for one, respect their opinions because A) neither are retards (although they may rant at times) and B) they are overall respectful of their veteran status. This is one of thsoe times where you just let it go. | ||
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ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
None of us (hopefully) really think of that bastard on TL when we're immersed in our own real lives. So what I'm thinking is how silly we'd look (from an outside perspective), like imagine you walking into the computer library to find a kid staring at a computer screen, then suddenly furiously hitting the keyboards :p | ||
berated-
United States1134 Posts
"to find a kid staring at a computer screen, then suddenly furiously hitting them with keyboards". I do agree with what you are saying and I've never truly been upset about it, just, confused. Edit: But in case of a weird occurrence that I would get upset, this is why I post at home ![]() | ||
ilovezil
United States4143 Posts
EDIT: Oh, I see that quote now :p | ||
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