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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
December 13 2016 19:55 GMT
#741
Regarding kwizach, it was a point I intended to post sooner or later. I have been none too fond of his involvement in responding to my posts and I wanted to make it publicly known that I do not appreciate it.

And regarding my disagreement with you on this matter, I have said all I intend to say and I hope you appreciate why I see hypocrisy here. If not, well that sucks but I said my piece.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 20:33:28
December 13 2016 20:31 GMT
#742
I see why you claim hypocrisy; but I have counter-claimed that you do so based on inaccurate premises.
i.e. your chain of thought is valid (in the formal, logical sense) but unsound. I can see why you chose the premise you did; but that does not change its soundness, only its understandibility.
It was also needlessly aggressive of you.
do you see why I claim as I do?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17952 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 20:39:19
December 13 2016 20:37 GMT
#743
My god. I'm sure this thread doesn't exist so you can all act like petulant crybabies. Step away from the keyboard, ffs.

We clearly now need a US politics feedback feedback thread...
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 13 2016 20:50 GMT
#744
On December 14 2016 05:37 Acrofales wrote:
My god. I'm sure this thread doesn't exist so you can all act like petulant crybabies. Step away from the keyboard, ffs.

We clearly now need a US politics feedback feedback thread...

It's not that hard to just ignore the shit posters.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28621 Posts
December 13 2016 21:03 GMT
#745
not to deliberately misinterpret, but did you mean not that easy?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 13 2016 21:04 GMT
#746
On December 14 2016 06:03 Liquid`Drone wrote:
not to deliberately misinterpret, but did you mean not that easy?

Nope.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28621 Posts
December 13 2016 21:06 GMT
#747
nevermind my bad then
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
December 13 2016 23:42 GMT
#748
in the interest of starting a shitstorm, while i value the alternate perspective he brings, is it really okay for xdaunt to be calling people dense, crybabies and shitposters all the time and have semi immunity by way of not being able to report him?
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 23:55:06
December 13 2016 23:46 GMT
#749
On December 14 2016 08:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
in the interest of starting a shitstorm, while i value the alternate perspective he brings, is it really okay for xdaunt to be calling people dense, crybabies and shitposters all the time and have semi immunity by way of not being able to report him?

Feel free to add some context.

EDIT: Just to be crystal clear for the umpteenth time, people are going to get out of me what they put in. When someone challenges me and that person persists in relentless and hostile stupidity even after I try to nicely correct that person, I'm eventually going to say something that's not nice.
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-13 23:48:31
December 13 2016 23:47 GMT
#750
ticklish -> morally it's not ok. but practically, and on tl, it is ok. the point was already raised earlier in this thread; and the mods chose to take no action publicly on that issue to dissuade such behavior. nor did they really take any stance at all on it.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 00:43:10
December 13 2016 23:58 GMT
#751
@LegalLord: You are posting in a public forum, making comments that are discussed by others. They sometimes influence the discussions being had on the topics you comment on. The issues touched upon in the US Politics megathread tend to be of interest to me, and if I feel like I have something to say, I will sometimes participate in the discussion, whether it's you or someone else who made statements I agreed or disagreed with. I've already said I'll be happy to discuss substance civilly with you in the future, but if you're not interested in replying to me it doesn't mean my comments on statements you make can't be of interest to others. In any case, I'll send you a PM within a few days to see if it's not possible to defuse some of the animosity (feel free to ignore it if you prefer, of course).

With regards to zlefin, I replied because it's the second time in a few days he gets criticized unfairly here, and I see him as one of the most measured and hyperbole-averse posters in the thread, which is honestly a breath of fresh air (and I say this as someone who's had strong disagreements with him in the past). I feel like disagreements like this would be best solved through PMs or by reporting posts, not by calling out people here.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
December 14 2016 02:20 GMT
#752
On December 14 2016 08:58 kwizach wrote:
@LegalLord: You are posting in a public forum, making comments that are discussed by others. They sometimes influence the discussions being had on the topics you comment on. The issues touched upon in the US Politics megathread tend to be of interest to me, and if I feel like I have something to say, I will sometimes participate in the discussion, whether it's you or someone else who made statements I agreed or disagreed with. I've already said I'll be happy to discuss substance civilly with you in the future, but if you're not interested in replying to me it doesn't mean my comments on statements you make can't be of interest to others. In any case, I'll send you a PM within a few days to see if it's not possible to defuse some of the animosity (feel free to ignore it if you prefer, of course).

Sure, why not? I would entertain a good-faith effort to resolve the matter and respond when I have the chance (though I may or may not be busy over the next few days).

With regards to xDaunt, part of the problem is just that he has a tendency to be outspoken and very short in his responses. But IME he is right that you get out of him what you put in. He tends to respond well to good-faith questioning and clarification, and aggressively to context-assumption and accusatory language. And there's no real immunity from not having a report button - it just means you have to PM or post here to report a problematic post. I've seen him warned at least once or twice and that's definitely not "immune to moderation."
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
December 14 2016 05:01 GMT
#753
You can go only so long on points too vague and *ahem* pointless to be useful. Then there's the breed that will end in semantics where you relitigate the terminology until one side quits and the other wins 'technically correct by opponent leaving the field.'

I hate leaving the upper half of posters on the scale of "argues in good faith" without a response.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17952 Posts
December 15 2016 11:01 GMT
#754
I reported a post in the full expectation that it would not get mod actioned, and was prepared to come here and write exactly why that was bullshit. In actual fact, it got warned, which seems like the appropriate action. I figure positive feedback to the mods is important too. Imho, excellent work!

In general, since the firmer actions around election time, moderation has been top notch.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
January 03 2017 15:35 GMT
#755
On January 03 2017 19:09 Penev wrote:
Please wake up Americans

www.theguardian.com

I reported this post under thread specific violation.

From page 5983 onward, posts containing only Tweets or articles will be handled a bit more strictly.


Wondering if this is the kind of thing I should continue reporting for. Post with only a link to the article and zero content besides a flippant setence.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19026 Posts
January 03 2017 16:04 GMT
#756
yes

Posting the article alone is a better post than that.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 03 2017 16:11 GMT
#757
On January 04 2017 01:04 tofucake wrote:
yes

Posting the article alone is a better post than that.

yep. Just to add on to this, if you post an article, quote from it as well. It doesn't have to be a large quote, just a decent sized one so that the reader can decide if they want to read the rest.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
RealityIsKing
Profile Joined August 2016
613 Posts
January 04 2017 23:39 GMT
#758
On January 05 2017 08:32 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 07:44 RealityIsKing wrote:
The notion that Hillary Clinton to run again in 2020 also depends on weather or not President elect Donald Trump assigns a special prosecutor to throw her in jail or not.

You probably didn't hear it in your echo chamber but one of the first things Trump walked back on after winning was jailing Hillary. It was toothless publicity stunt for yokels like you.


Unnecessary insult.

Mods, do something.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 04 2017 23:45 GMT
#759
On January 05 2017 08:39 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 08:32 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 05 2017 07:44 RealityIsKing wrote:
The notion that Hillary Clinton to run again in 2020 also depends on weather or not President elect Donald Trump assigns a special prosecutor to throw her in jail or not.

You probably didn't hear it in your echo chamber but one of the first things Trump walked back on after winning was jailing Hillary. It was toothless publicity stunt for yokels like you.


Unnecessary insult.

Mods, do something.

Report it next time please. We aren't always on TL and need to catch on reading the thread to action etc...
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21577 Posts
January 04 2017 23:46 GMT
#760
On January 05 2017 08:39 RealityIsKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2017 08:32 Gorsameth wrote:
On January 05 2017 07:44 RealityIsKing wrote:
The notion that Hillary Clinton to run again in 2020 also depends on weather or not President elect Donald Trump assigns a special prosecutor to throw her in jail or not.

You probably didn't hear it in your echo chamber but one of the first things Trump walked back on after winning was jailing Hillary. It was toothless publicity stunt for yokels like you.


Unnecessary insult.

Mods, do something.

You come back from your ban to continue posting out-dated information and strait up garbage. I see no reason to go play nice with you.
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