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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 27 2018 04:17 Aveng3r wrote: are you sure it didn't have anything to do with the nauseating self righteousness, condescending tone, and never ever being wrong about anything? Oh, you mean how 90% of the hordes of liberals post in that thread and are never actioned? | ||
KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
Accuse me of bias all you want, it is not gonna change anything. | ||
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KadaverBB
Germany25657 Posts
oh, im tired | ||
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Aveng3r
United States2411 Posts
On March 27 2018 04:18 xDaunt wrote: Oh, you mean how 90% of the hordes of liberals post in that thread and are never actioned? no, just danglars. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On March 27 2018 04:20 KadaverBB wrote: I care 0 about politics, like not one bit. I don't have a political agenda, all I know is that Danglars made the thread worse. Accuse me of bias all you want, it is not gonna change anything. Well, there's no point in me responding to this. The (more reasonable) liberal regulars are going to have to tackle this one, to the extent that they really care about what the thread was. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14056 Posts
Its not enough that the ban explicitly states that the reporters are wrong. Its not enough that its clearly politically targeted. Its not enough that its apparently only being done to improve the report rates of the people that he puts hours and hours into responding to despite their often rabid fascination with finding even the smallest issues and refusing to move off their sacred points they find comfort in. I mean is this seriously the thread now? We care more about people who reported wrongly then people who deliver content? I always worried about the day I'd have to stop posting because of my political beliefs. Never thought I'd see the day though. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On March 27 2018 04:20 KadaverBB wrote: Accuse me of bias all you want, it is not gonna change anything. Less so bias, more so butting in without really trying to understand context and being proud of that approach. Which means there's really no point talking about it either. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On March 27 2018 04:53 Sermokala wrote: This is the dumbest thing I've seen on this forum. "gee we see a lot of people disagree with you and wrongly report you so we're just going to go ahead and ban you" Its not enough that the ban explicitly states that the reporters are wrong. Its not enough that its clearly politically targeted. Its not enough that its apparently only being done to improve the report rates of the people that he puts hours and hours into responding to despite their often rabid fascination with finding even the smallest issues and refusing to move off their sacred points they find comfort in. I mean is this seriously the thread now? We care more about people who reported wrongly then people who deliver content? I always worried about the day I'd have to stop posting because of my political beliefs. Never thought I'd see the day though. where does the ban explicitly state that? I don't recall the text of the ban explanation being provided to us at all. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14056 Posts
On March 27 2018 04:57 zlefin wrote: where does the ban explicitly state that? I don't recall the text of the ban explanation being provided to us at all. From: Seeker TL Staff [ 30309 posts | Profile ] Subject: Temporary Ban from US Politics Mega-thread Date: 3/26/18 05:15 Hi Danglars. The mods have noticed that you have been getting reported rather frequently for your posts in the US Politics Mega-thread as of late. After some internal mod discussion, we've decided to temporarily remove your access to the US Politics Mega-thread. You will be notified when your access has been given back. -Seeker Does anyone even know how long a temp ban for being wrongly reported goes for? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Danglars constant passive aggressive self righteousness tone is why he gets such a strong response. I’m of the opinion it is intentional, but the mods have never really done anything. But maybe now posters are more inclined to report people who post in that fashion since the new thread started. I would expect this tread to continue, so we should all reign our righteous indignation in going forward. It’s a temp ban, it’s fine. Happens to the best of us. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On March 27 2018 05:03 Plansix wrote: I don’t consider myself to be unreasonable and I try to own up to my bullshit, liberal or otherwise. But when cross the line I’m either drinking and posting or letting my feeling get the better of me. Danglars constant passive aggressive self righteousness tone is why he gets such a strong response. I’m of the opinion it is intentional, but the mods have never really done anything. But maybe now posters are more inclined to report people who post in that fashion since the new thread started. It’s a temp ban, it’s fine. Happens to the best of us. I agree. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14056 Posts
On March 27 2018 05:03 Plansix wrote: I don’t consider myself to be unreasonable and I try to own up to my bullshit, liberal or otherwise. But when cross the line I’m either drinking and posting or letting my feeling get the better of me. Danglars constant passive aggressive self righteousness tone is why he gets such a strong response. I’m of the opinion it is intentional, but the mods have never really done anything. But maybe now posters are more inclined to report people who post in that fashion since the new thread started. It’s a temp ban, it’s fine. Happens to the best of us. Gee I don't know maybe there was something the moderation could do before a temp ban to let him know that hes been dangerously reported wrongly in the thread. Like warning him that his unpopularity was leading to him being reported excessively and that they were going to ban him if the reporting continued. I mean do me and xdaunt have to worry about our posts being reported too many times that we're going to be auctioned as well? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23515 Posts
I didn't or plan to report any of the posts though despite thinking the whole thing was stupid. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I don't see any explicit statement there that the reports were correct or incorrect. it could be interpreted to mean that some of the reports were incorrect, and some were correct; and rather than issue a series of warnings on several posts, they chose to just use a temp ban. at any rate, it's not an EXPLICIT statement that the reporters were incorrect. implicit maybe, but not explicit. while it's poor judicial process, that's to be expected, as my push for a better judicial process has not had much support, and proper processes tend to be time consuming. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 27 2018 05:06 Sermokala wrote: Gee I don't know maybe there was something the moderation could do before a temp ban to let him know that hes been dangerously reported wrongly in the thread. Like warning him that his unpopularity was leading to him being reported excessively and that they were going to ban him if the reporting continued. I mean do me and xdaunt have to worry about our posts being reported too many times that we're going to be auctioned as well? Normally my ass just got banned when I did dumb shit. Then I was left with self reflection on the error of my ways, which normally was because I decided to tell someone how dumb they were. We are all grownups here. Danglars knowns exactly why he got all those reports and other conservatives did not. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14056 Posts
On March 27 2018 05:06 zlefin wrote: I don't see any explicit statement there that the reports were correct or incorrect. it could be interpreted to mean that some of the reports were incorrect, and some were correct; and rather than issue a series of warnings on several posts, they chose to just use a temp ban. at any rate, it's not an EXPLICIT statement that the reporters were incorrect. implicit maybe, but not explicit. while it's poor judicial process, that's to be expected, as my push for a better judicial process has not had much support, and proper processes tend to be time consuming. I could understand at the very least that they wanted to do an experiment to see if Danglers was a positive influence on the thread or a negative influence. I could understand that they found a string of posts that were borderline and they wanted to just cool it before everyone went over the line and a time out was the best option decided. But the Idea that his temp ban from the thread is solely because he was wrongly reported is just unacceptable and should be unacceptable by anyone in the thread who believes that they can express their political views without being punished for them. On March 27 2018 05:16 Plansix wrote: Normally my ass just got banned when I did dumb shit. Then I was left with self reflection on the error of my ways, which normally was because I decided to tell someone how dumb they were. We are all grownups here. Danglars knowns exactly why he got all those reports and other conservatives did not. So you support banning people from the thread for being reported wrongly? I get that Danglers isn't the best reporter but he at least tries to respond to as many people as possible. That is an unreasonable ask for how people are hyenas on him and refuse to debate with anyone else in the thread. I've put out reasonable and moderate arguments and yet they never get traction from the same people who are constantly attacking Danglers and constantly reporting him probably. | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
On March 27 2018 05:06 zlefin wrote: I don't see any explicit statement there that the reports were correct or incorrect. it could be interpreted to mean that some of the reports were incorrect, and some were correct; and rather than issue a series of warnings on several posts, they chose to just use a temp ban. at any rate, it's not an EXPLICIT statement that the reporters were incorrect. implicit maybe, but not explicit. while it's poor judicial process, that's to be expected, as my push for a better judicial process has not had much support, and proper processes tend to be time consuming. Your push for a better judicial process has not had much support? I literally opened up a thread dedicated to discussing just the moderation for the US Politics Mega-thread and other threads in "General" in the staff forums because of our conversation. And that's how this new thread and our new rules and guidelines got implemented. The thread was opened up in January, and we have not stopped discussing revising our moderation policies since. EDIT: Also, I stood up for you and said that you should get your reporting permissions back. Do you know why it was rejected? Because people showed quotes of PMs you've sent in the past as well as posts you've made that shows that you're too immature and have no self control. You keep shooting yourself in the foot. Stop blaming TL moderation for everything. | ||
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farvacola
United States18843 Posts
On March 27 2018 05:17 Sermokala wrote: I could understand at the very least that they wanted to do an experiment to see if Danglers was a positive influence on the thread or a negative influence. I could understand that they found a string of posts that were borderline and they wanted to just cool it before everyone went over the line and a time out was the best option decided. But the Idea that his temp ban from the thread is solely because he was wrongly reported is just unacceptable and should be unacceptable by anyone in the thread who believes that they can express their political views without being punished for them. So you support banning people from the thread for being reported wrongly? I get that Danglers isn't the best reporter but he at least tries to respond to as many people as possible. That is an unreasonable ask for how people are hyenas on him and refuse to debate with anyone else in the thread. I've put out reasonable and moderate arguments and yet they never get traction from the same people who are constantly attacking Danglers and constantly reporting him probably. The word "solely" does not appear in the ban reason and I'd bet more was at play than the number of reports. | ||
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37055 Posts
On March 27 2018 05:17 Sermokala wrote: I could understand at the very least that they wanted to do an experiment to see if Danglers was a positive influence on the thread or a negative influence. I could understand that they found a string of posts that were borderline and they wanted to just cool it before everyone went over the line and a time out was the best option decided. But the Idea that his temp ban from the thread is solely because he was wrongly reported is just unacceptable and should be unacceptable by anyone in the thread who believes that they can express their political views without being punished for them. So you support banning people from the thread for being reported wrongly? I get that Danglers isn't the best reporter but he at least tries to respond to as many people as possible. That is an unreasonable ask for how people are hyenas on him and refuse to debate with anyone else in the thread. I've put out reasonable and moderate arguments and yet they never get traction from the same people who are constantly attacking Danglers and constantly reporting him probably. From our mod thread: You remove Danglars and all politics threads in the General forum will probably improve. There will still be a lot of white noise but you'd get rid of a lot of the belligerence we're seeing right now. A temp threadban should prove this theory right or wrong. So, yes. You're right. We want to see what happens. | ||
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