EPTBut like you said this it's case by case basis and you can never go wrong with adding additional content to a link/tweet.
Ukrainian Crisis thread - Page 2
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
But like you said this it's case by case basis and you can never go wrong with adding additional content to a link/tweet. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 22 2014 10:18 lichter wrote: "I was treated" unfairly doesn't help at all. ... Suggest solutions, then see how things improve Isn't it what I did in the opening post? Before moderators brought up the matter of my warning themselves, I didn't say a word about it's fairness. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
i HATE uppercase mixed with lowercase letters willy-nilly in one word. uuurrrgh, uneccessary and ugly. twin warnings on you and me (my response was an unecessary joke, but i couldn't resist, too ticklish) were totally fine. i demand you officially retract your comment about me spreading hate-speech, so slanderous! if it's not done before the thread is re-opened i will be forced to take tl-eagle action against you. ... as long as the moderation is even-handed i'm not gonna complain. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
This is about the Ukraine thread. You can take your discussions about spelling to PMs - where it should have been in the first place. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
And talking after the fact, how was I supposed to reason with this? i HATE uppercase mixed with lowercase letters willy-nilly in one word. uuurrrgh, uneccessary and ugly. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 23 2014 05:34 Firebolt145 wrote: If you have a personal problem with someone (which this is) then it should be kept personal between the two of you. The public does not need to know about it, nor does the thread need to be derailed by it. So as long as everyone shuts up about the problems in communication in the thread, you and everyone else will be happy. Point taken. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13407 Posts
On May 23 2014 06:22 Cheerio wrote: So as long as everyone shuts up about the problems in communication in the thread, you and everyone else will be happy. Point taken. No dude. Okay I'll try to make this clear. The thread is about the situation of ukraine. The thread is not about your feeling "insulted" or the use of capitals or a fight between you and any other user. Please understand the following: -- The thread was at a point of terrible where the mods didn't know what to do and had given up moderating it because it was just too much to handle for them. Yeah it sucks that the thread devolved into garbage, but it got so bad the mods didnt know how to deal with it. They decided to enforce only the most simple of rules. The one thing TL has ALWAYS done is warn people who begin to have a personal "discussion" or fight or whatever you want to call it in a thread. Regardless of the thing that started it, one user can ask another to stop, and one or two back and forths usually ignored. If it goes on for more than one or two posts the users get warned. Unfortunately this occured while a lot of other shit was happening and the mods decided to enforce the easy moderation decision and not the ones that would involve a big effort - going back and moderating hundreds of pages of stuff. The decision made by zatic was the following after discussion with other TL staff: Close thread, make stricter rules, give the thread a cooling off period and then reopen it. This is exactly what happened. Unfortunately every post that hasnt been banned or warned prior to the closing and reopening is essentially given clemency. The time investment to go back and moderate from scratch the rest of the thread prior to the new rules is too much effort/impossible considering that everyone is a volunteer. The banlings don't get paid, they need to do their jobs in their own time. The staff dont get paid, we do stuff on our own time. The lesser of two evils has been decided upon. Heavy handed moderation starting now. You got in trouble for a warnable offence and you were warned. Other people didn't get in trouble because the decision to warn them was not as easy - the entire thread was a shit post haven but your fight was an issue for more than just being a shit post, it was something that is consistently moderated across TL and breaks more rules than simply being a shitpost. I hope this can make it clear. Shit sucks, you got warned (not a major offence on tl dont worry about it), move on. Does it suck? Yeah. Is it fair? Yes. Is it fair others didn't get warned? No. Does that have bearing on your specific situation in vacuum? No. Just because other people dont get in trouble doesnt mean you receive a "get out of moderation action free" card. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:10 Cheerio wrote: The thing is, if this is such a minor deal, why do I have like every moderator out there give me a speech? Especially considering how busy you are. And you are going in circles. Because you are not letting it go. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:13 zlefin wrote: If you needed more moderators you coulda asked me, I'd a done it for free Traitor, don't join them, they are evil ^^ | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
So do you spend so much time on every disagreeing poster? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:35 Cheerio wrote: So do you spend so much time on every disagreeing poster? Honestly, would either possible answer to this question satisfy you? You're the thread started, and even more, you started a thread in feedback, presumably because you wanted the mods to weigh in, right? I feel like they've given plenty of info and adequately explained their positions and their own limitations in terms of manpower and time to deal with the thread, and came up with a good solution. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:42 Blazinghand wrote: Honestly, would either possible answer to this question satisfy you? You are right, it would not. If he says yes, that would be not true, and also mean extremely poor time management. If he says no, that would mean that this case is special after all, and this is somehow a big deal. | ||
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Archas
United States6531 Posts
On May 24 2014 03:56 Cheerio wrote: You are right, it would not. If he says yes, that would be not true, and also mean extremely poor time management. If he says no, that would mean that this case is special after all, and this is somehow a big deal. Okay, look. As someone who has not participated in the Ukraine thread at all, this is how I see the series of events unfolding: You were warned for a post in a chaotic thread. Said thread has been incredibly difficult to moderate for some time, but your argument with another poster about a completely irrelevant topic was deemed a warnable offense, especially since you were told to take it to PMs. You make a thread here trying to absolve yourself of all guilt, and painting everyone else as bad posters instead of you. You think this is a true statement, because you reported like 20 posts out of what I can only assume is spite, because you see their posts as similarly grievous offenses. When mods respond to you in this thread, you play the victim and talk in circles, practically oozing passive-aggression with every post you make. Responding to mods with "Sorry for ruining your perfect world" after being given a perfectly reasonable request to take a childish argument to PMs, and oversimplifying a clarification to the point of ridiculousness to make yourself look like a cool guy and a savvy poster, are just two other affronts you've committed. In short, you're being absurdly arrogant. Your passive-aggressive whining and bitching is absolutely intolerable, and your inability to relax and let a warning go (which is like a slap on the wrist on TL and nothing more, who cares lol) only compounds just how much of a child you're being. So here's my advice. Take a deep breath, jack off, do some squats, take a hot shower... do SOMETHING to work off all that pent-up frustration you're having from your delusional world where everyone is out to make your day miserable... and let it go. And don't post in the Ukraine thread until you've done that. You'll feel better. Trust me. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On May 24 2014 04:46 Archas wrote: In short, you're being absurdly arrogant. Your passive-aggressive whining and bitching is absolutely intolerable, and your inability to relax and let a warning go (which is like a slap on the wrist on TL and nothing more, who cares lol) only compounds just how much of a child you're being. so if this case has been so absurdly easy, why did they waste so much time on me? | ||
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