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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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Deleted User 137586
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On May 27 2014 04:53 Zealously wrote: There are still some issues remaining with posting in the Ukraine Crisis thread in question that we hope we'll be able to eventually solve with the more consistent moderation we've taken to since the new policy, but you've gone pretty far off the rails here. You're free to discuss this further in PMs, but what you two are doing now is more of a slapfight than a discussion, and this thread gains little from it. Ok, will cease and desist this unpleasantness. Honestly, this is a pretty good example of what has gone wrong with the discussion in the Ukraine thread itself. Without a common framework the exchanges don't work. Even stricter moderation of the framework (forcing people to be nice) is how I see the thread surviving. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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Saryph
United States1955 Posts
On May 27 2014 17:47 PaleMan wrote: As I thought Ukraine doesn't want to pay for gas which is already shipped (not 1st time thoug) Source Since Ghan thinks he is thread captain or something I will post ONLY Itar-Tass sources even if there is others for same news, Itar-tass was founded in 1902 while biased, west-worshipping Kyev-Post (which Ghan likes so much) in 1995 by american citizen Jed Sunden. Now it is owned by british citizen Mohammad Zahoor. Nuff said. How is that allowed and acceptable while this is worthy of warning? On May 27 2014 18:25 Ghanburighan wrote: DPR separatists burned down the local hockey club. Local news does not take kindly to it "this is how the separatists `love' our home Donetsk'. The longer article isn't out yet. User was warned for this post It seems to me that in the first post someone deliberately went after ghan on a couple occasions (and Paleman has a history of getting temp banned for things like this in the same thread if I remember correctly) while in the second quoted post there was a link to a local news source that was translated. Or is it too early in the morning and I am missing something? | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
he's using biased sources himself (kyivpost, ukrainereporter, conflictreporter, nytimes, euromaidanpr), that at times account for little more than propaganda outlets for various illegitimate govt officials. this time he's telling ppl to refrain from using itar-tass after linking 4 isntances of 'false news' posted on a 3 month old, kiev based 'antipropaganda' blog, but he's been doing it throughout the thread (even pando and mark ames, who r so cool). we already have rules of conduct specifying we should provide context for our contribs, the mods can deal with extreme cases, and the readers can decide for themselves. ... one-liner tweets with one picture or movie from biased sources like ukrainereporter, conflictreporter and euromaidanpr, that is not posted in relation to a story and are speculating on what is happening in the picture or movie, is just noise for the thread. three examples, all from ghan: comment when his source ukrainereporter showed what 'may be proof' that the lifenews journos, that the osce asked to be released, and that now were released, were 'helping separatists shoot at ukrainian troops': This is especially despicable as journalists need to be seen as independent bystanders for their own protection. This endangers the lives of thousands of journalists around the world. Which probably suits the Kremlin just perfect. this story was obvious bs, yet it seems like the majority of the posters in the thread actually believed in it. the video had nothing in it that could be construed as proof.comment to a one-liner tweet with a picture, that says 'what is happened is still unclear', ghan provides the speculation himself and presents it as showing 'definite fighting'... Please use reputable sources only. ITAR-TASS either willfully or by mispractice gets its facts wrong. For example, there was definite fighting at or near the railway station. there's nothing in the tweet or pic 'definitely' indicating that there was fighting near the railway station.comment to another recent unconfirmed ukrainereporter oneliner tweet with a pic and no story Breaking news, a great many casualties on the Pro-Russia side (this time Chechens) again, it's not breaking news, it's a dubious one-liner tweet from a biased source accompanied with a picture.and i have no clue why carlbildt's tweets are worthy of constant reposting in our thread. i think what the stealthblue bot is doing in syrian thread, posting tweets or youtube vids where it is clear what is happening (a big bomb is going off) is good shit, though. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
how is this not breaking the new rules? | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
the last 3 pages is more proof of that in addition to my prev post in this thread. edit: very well. | ||
zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
Cheerio, which rules specifically do you see broken? | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On June 13 2014 03:21 zatic wrote: If you two want to discuss this use PMs please. Cheerio, which rules specifically do you see broken? 1) calling names 2) absolutely no content added 3) promotes aggression On June 13 2014 00:14 hunts wrote: So you know exactly what's going on in ukraine, well enough to state that anyone who disagrees with something is an idiot? Interesting... Not exactly the rules, but my understanding. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
don't see the value of reposting those tweets in thread, would have been permed posting like that on tl. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
On June 13 2014 03:45 nunez wrote: the fake picture cheerio posted was also tweeted by ukraine reporter btw. don't see the value of reposting those tweets in thread, would have been permed posting like that on tl. and how is that relevant to the issue we are discussing? | ||
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zatic
Zurich15365 Posts
The Ukraine thread generates more than half of my mod work, and that of other mods, and seeing the atrocious quality in there, I am frankly not seeing what all the work is good for. I'll give it a little more time since I don't like to action anything while annoyed, but if this continues we'll have to close the thread for good. | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
do you want only you and Ghan in that thread? Cause you both provide only onesided information. Someone should balance things out you know... | ||
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Cheerio
Ukraine3178 Posts
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KadaverBB
Germany25658 Posts
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