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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
June 19 2014 01:09 GMT
#121
perhaps not allowing people to flamebait in the first place would be beneficial?

At any rate; it doesn't change the validity of his point; even if he himself may well get in trouble for it.
I still wish they'd used alternate options to keep the thread open and moderated.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Cheerio
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Ukraine3178 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 18:13:55
June 19 2014 18:13 GMT
#122
On June 19 2014 10:09 zlefin wrote:
perhaps not allowing people to flamebait in the first place would be beneficial?

At any rate; it doesn't change the validity of his point; even if he himself may well get in trouble for it.
I still wish they'd used alternate options to keep the thread open and moderated.

that would be hard to accomplish. But when some people are flamebating excessively, sometimes in every single post, perhaps a thread would be better off without them.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
June 20 2014 08:47 GMT
#123
On June 20 2014 03:13 Cheerio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2014 10:09 zlefin wrote:
perhaps not allowing people to flamebait in the first place would be beneficial?

At any rate; it doesn't change the validity of his point; even if he himself may well get in trouble for it.
I still wish they'd used alternate options to keep the thread open and moderated.

that would be hard to accomplish. But when some people are flamebating excessively, sometimes in every single post, perhaps a thread would be better off without them.

You're doing the whole 'ban everyone who doesn't agree with me because I say I'm right and they are wrong' thing again.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9642 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 11:54:01
June 20 2014 11:40 GMT
#124
nah it's just too early in the morning nvm
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
June 20 2014 13:36 GMT
#125
On June 20 2014 17:47 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:13 Cheerio wrote:
On June 19 2014 10:09 zlefin wrote:
perhaps not allowing people to flamebait in the first place would be beneficial?

At any rate; it doesn't change the validity of his point; even if he himself may well get in trouble for it.
I still wish they'd used alternate options to keep the thread open and moderated.

that would be hard to accomplish. But when some people are flamebating excessively, sometimes in every single post, perhaps a thread would be better off without them.

You're doing the whole 'ban everyone who doesn't agree with me because I say I'm right and they are wrong' thing again.

No, he's just overreacting. Most of the assholes (looking at you and your 'embasies' comments) just need 1 week temps every time they start thinking it's the subtle jab thread. Likewise, every time cheerio & co bite on petty flamebait bullshit, they should get 1 week bans. That way either everyone learns how to not be a smarmy cunt. None of this weak warning sauce that nobody worries about.
#HoldtheHeathenHammerHigh
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zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6342 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 14:27:46
June 20 2014 14:20 GMT
#126
Are you calling me an asshole? Because someone chose to latch onto a figure of speech to change the subject?

Let me explain something to you, in the real world there is no wrong side, there is no right side, something that is good for one person is bad for the other ect. You get the point. No one has any right to claim (at least in regards to the situation in Ukraine) their point of view is absolutely right, though everyone should have the right to voice their opinion.

The point of a discussion thread is not to cry 'he is raping me with his independent thoughts that conflict with what CNN told me' every page. All people should feel safe to share with everyone their point of view in regards to the situation and thats just not happening, its like any post thats not Russia bashing is deemed unacceptable by the majority and people who while being supremely biased themselves have the audacity to claim they are unbiased. There is no talk in that thread because you have people who have claimed a monopoly over what is right and lynch anyone that doesn't agree with them.

I post about things happening on the Russian side because nobody is posting about them, ether don't allow both sides to have a say or go hive-mind. Don't call it a discussion thread and don't claim to be unbiased, because you are not.

The backseat moderators are in 80% of the cases the ones shitting up the thread with their crying and moaning about how shitty the thread is, which in turn gets more people to bitch and moan.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Jormundr
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-20 15:24:29
June 20 2014 15:21 GMT
#127
On June 20 2014 23:20 zeo wrote:
Are you calling me an asshole? Because someone chose to latch onto a figure of speech to change the subject?

Let me explain something to you, in the real world there is no wrong side, there is no right side, something that is good for one person is bad for the other ect. You get the point. No one has any right to claim (at least in regards to the situation in Ukraine) their point of view is absolutely right, though everyone should have the right to voice their opinion.

The point of a discussion thread is not to cry 'he is raping me with his independent thoughts that conflict with what CNN told me' every page. All people should feel safe to share with everyone their point of view in regards to the situation and thats just not happening, its like any post thats not Russia bashing is deemed unacceptable by the majority and people who while being supremely biased themselves have the audacity to claim they are unbiased. There is no talk in that thread because you have people who have claimed a monopoly over what is right and lynch anyone that doesn't agree with them.

I post about things happening on the Russian side because nobody is posting about them, ether don't allow both sides to have a say or go hive-mind. Don't call it a discussion thread and don't claim to be unbiased, because you are not.

The backseat moderators are in 80% of the cases the ones shitting up the thread with their crying and moaning about how shitty the thread is.

Oh quit whining to me. Your persecution complex doesn't give you the inalienable authority to shit up the thread. When you post something factually inaccurate, and someone points it out you should edit it. I don't give two shits about the Russian bullshit or the Ukrainian bullshit when they don't add to the thread. Your opinion is not valuable because of the mere fact that it exists. If it does not add to the thread it should be cut out like the cancer it is. This is not the letting off steam thread, and posting your feelings rather than your arguments should get you banned. If your argument is to post things which are easily proven false BY YOUR OWN SOURCE then you should also get a ban.

This doesn't even begin to get into the moderation nightmare of having to deal with reports of questionable sources.
HINT: If your source sounds like + Show Spoiler +
then it's probably not strong enough to stand on its own. As I've stated earlier, you shouldn't use the bullshit alleged in things like EuromaidenPR, Itar-Tass, RT, and StateOfUkraine without proper bullshit indicators like "Today Russian state media claim X, still unconfirmed by outside sources" or "Ukrainian Gov. claims Russia sending in tanks, still unconfirmed."
This leaves room for discussion, because otherwise you have morons taking both as the god given truth, and yall just throw shit at each other hoping some of it will stick.
Capitalism is beneficial for people who work harder than other people. Under capitalism the only way to make more money is to work harder then your competitors whether they be other companies or workers. ~ Vegetarian
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 20 2014 17:09 GMT
#128
With the closure of the Ukraine Crisis thread and the inability of some posters to abstain from continuously attacking one another, I feel that this thread has now served its purpose.
AdministratorBreak the chains
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
June 20 2014 20:26 GMT
#129
It is interesting how fast this thread turned into Ukraine 2.0
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
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