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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
However NASL is casting stuff that 4-8 weeks old (some of it still on the last patch) which shoots two of those things right in the foot. It's impossible to judge the metagame of when the matches were played cause NASL is not upfront about their delays, and a player that was hot 8 weeks ago might be slumping now. Just seems like it really throws off the whole idea of making a proper liquibet when you can't account for all these variables. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
Personally I just click on the NASL games quickly judging who could possibly win the game. With the sheer volume of games and their age Diamond has a very good point. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
I made a similar thread about this issue. You should check the polls out as they are in favour of removing NASL. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281632 | ||
Phobbers
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
GSL (149) 75% Both (43) 22% NASL (8) 4% Poll: Do you think NASL should be on liquibets? No (144) 61% Yes (70) 29% I'm not sure (24) 10% | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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nekuodah
England2409 Posts
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37103 Posts
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Camail
United States1030 Posts
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Yamulo
United States2096 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
Personally, I don't watch or really follow NASL, I feel that there really isn't any coherence or continuity between the matches like you get in a tournament like GSL. I also feel like many of the players in NASL their skill level is drastically lower than what is present in the GSL. I don't mean to disrespect these players, but it's just the truth. Honestly, there is a slippery slope here, if NASL is put in, then why not ESL's weekely Go4SC2, or IEM, or IPL. What does NASL have that those tournaments do not? JonnyLaw also has a good point about the volume of games. So I support this suggestion 100% | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19237 Posts
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xBillehx
United States1289 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:14 tofucake wrote: I don't mind because I pick based on my gut feeling and not by doing nearly as much research as you. But having 84 new Liquibets every day is damn tiring. My problem with this is that usually gut feeling is going to take SOMETHING into effect rather than just "I like the look of his name". You can't take into account recent performance/tournament results, nor do you even know what patch the games were played on necessarily (at this point it's probably a good bet everything is on the latest patch, but in the past even many weeks after the patch was released some of the games were still old patch). I agree betting shouldn't be done on NASL because of that. | ||
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
On November 02 2011 07:06 TheToast wrote: Honestly, there is a slippery slope here, if NASL is put in, then why not ESL's weekely Go4SC2, or IEM, or IPL. What does NASL have that those tournaments do not? NASL has a timeline of weeks. This gives us time to bet on games and (someone?) to insert liquibet candidates. IPL3, IEM, Dreamhack, are all played over a weekend. This means you'd need to watch live to guess the winners of more than the pools or first round of play. NASL, GSL and TSL are the three tournaments I've seen in starcraft which are more suited for a liquibet style system on a community site. That being said, I stick with my earlier sentiments. | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:51 JonnyLaw wrote: NASL has a timeline of weeks. This gives us time to bet on games and (someone?) to insert liquibet candidates. IPL3, IEM, Dreamhack, are all played over a weekend. This means you'd need to watch live to guess the winners of more than the pools or first round of play. NASL, GSL and TSL are the three tournaments I've seen in starcraft which are more suited for a liquibet style system on a community site. That being said, I stick with my earlier sentiments. This is true. But still. Is there any info on why it was decided to include NASL in liquibet? | ||
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
On November 05 2011 06:29 TheToast wrote: This is true. But still. Is there any info on why it was decided to include NASL in liquibet? I'm very interested in knowing that aswell.. Also I wonder if removing most koreans from NASL had an impact on how they feel about it.. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On November 07 2011 04:38 Sina92 wrote: I'm very interested in knowing that aswell.. Also I wonder if removing most koreans from NASL had an impact on how they feel about it.. ^That's a good question about the Koreans. There are still some very good players in NASL, some of the best foriegners in the world for sure. But without top Koreans it somehow doesn't seem complete. If someone started an online BW tourney with only foreign players I doubt it was included in BW liquibet. Granted the BW foriegn scene is and never was as active as SC2's, but I think there is a point to be made here. On November 07 2011 05:19 Diamond wrote: Sort of curious why it's so hard to get a mod answer on this topic....... Who administers liquibet? Maybe taking this question to a well written PM would be more appropriate? | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Any chance of any admin reply? | ||
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monx
Canada1400 Posts
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
On November 09 2011 03:47 Diamond wrote: I don't know why I am still betting on matches with a player that's been retired for over a month...... Any chance of any admin reply? I sent CaucasianAsian a friendly PM asking him about this. Maybe he can provide us with some insight on this issue. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11599 Posts
Thanks TheToast for sending me a PM (friendly is an understatement!). To clearify my position, I am the TL Staff member that adds and reports SC2 liquibets. (Among other things, but that is what is relevant here) I have been under the same impression as of recent, especially as some of the matches never even completed, or it is difficult to find the results of matches, voiding certain liquibets (Fenix comes to mind instantly). A lot of you have brought up good points, things that I personally didn't even think about. To be honest, I'm not a big SC2 fan mainly because my computer can't support it, so I can't play it (I like being competitive). So I simply add the liquibet matches that I know of in advance, and report the matches when I have time. As to the reason NASL was first decided to be put into SC2 Liquibets, was because they are a very large tournament, and release the schedule and maps before 48 hours as of when they will be aired. The "48 hour rule" is also the main reason why "weekend tournaments" such as MLG, IPL, IEM, and WCG Grand Finals will not be placed into the SC2 Liquibets. To simplify the process of adding certain tournaments to SC2 Liquibets.:
Given all of the information that has been discussed within this thread, I can safely agree with all of you. NASL Group Stages end this week, so I will add one last and final week of NASL into SC2 Liquibets, (I have always been told to never do things half way. Finish what you started). However, I can assure everyone that this SC2 Liquibet season will end after the finals of GSL November, and NASL will no longer be added to SC2 Liquibets after this week, unless NASL decides to change their policy of games played, among other things. I have spoken with another Staff member and we agree with you all. Thanks for sending me a PM once again TheToast for letting me know of this issue. Happy Liquibeting! -CaucasianAsian | ||
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monx
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MBH
Ireland796 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
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United States3747 Posts
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