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CakeOrI)eath
United States327 Posts
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The_Piper42
United States426 Posts
On April 10 2010 08:30 lolaloc wrote: Crunching numbers in the OP should be mandatory in "Serious Discussions". Agreed | ||
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Kyo Yuy
United States1286 Posts
As people said, this game is in beta, so many competitive players will jump on whatever chance they get to label something as imbalanced especially if it'll help their own race. I think everyone has a bias for their own race, this is unavoidable. Forget SCII, just look back at SC1 and you can see a LOT of people complaining about balance issues and how their favorite race is the weakest and how some other race is way too overpowered. If a 10+ year old game can STILL, to THIS day, have people complaining about balance issues that are largely unwarranted, you can BET that's going to happen with a game that's in beta. Generally, I've noticed that Blizzard will only respond to balance issues that are related to strategical variety. In other words, Blizzard does not want any one match up (including mirrors) to boil down to ONE DEFINING BUILD that is used by every single player of a particular race. In many ways I feel Blizzard is trying to discourage the notion of "standard play," but that's my humble opinion. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On April 10 2010 14:28 Kyo Yuy wrote: Remember to always follow the golden rules of SC2 balance discussion: 1) Your race is always the weakest race that needs a buff, and the other two races are overpowered. 2) Any time someone else whines about your race, it's because they don't know how to play the game and suck. 3) If you lost a game, it's not because your build order is bad, it's because something about the other race is imbalanced. There are no bad players, only imbalances. 4) Imbalances can only come from units. There's nothing wrong with the maps, the macro mechanics, or tech timing, it's always a fault of whatever unit your opponent made the most of. 5) Every time you lose a bunch of games, the first thing you should do is to create a thread on the Internet to express how imbalanced the other races are. Remember, you can't possibly be doing anything wrong, it is most definitely a balance issue. 6) Always back up your claim with random statistics. For example, most Platinum players whose screen names begin with the letter L play Terran, thus we can conclude that Terran is imbalanced. DIMAGA won a bunch of Zotac Cups, thus Zerg is imbalanced. I once saw a Youtube video of really good Protoss micro, thus we can conclude that Protoss is definitively overpowered. 7) Theorycrafting ALWAYS makes your claim true. For instance, SCVs have 5 more HP than Probes and Drones, thus SCVs are overpowered. Warp Gate causes units to appear in 0 seconds versus Thor's 60, thus Warp Gates are imbalanced. And of course, Roaches cost 75 minerals and 25 gas for 125 hp/16 damage whereas a reaper costs 50 minerals and 50 gas for 45 hp/12 damage. THE POWER OF MATH has shown that Roaches are clearly imbalanced. The bottom line: If you don't like it, it is imbalanced. I personally don't like the Mengsk statues on Metalopolis, I think they are OP and need a nerf. so true. | ||
Insane
United States4991 Posts
 I closed one so far! | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On April 11 2010 06:34 Insane wrote: I'm going to start cracking down on everyone naming their threads "Serious Discussion about [X]" I closed one so far!I saw that! good call! Looking forward to less garbage posts! :D | ||
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Shiladie
Canada1631 Posts
Instead make your discussions built around the compared effectiveness of different units within the race at doing what you want. X unit needs help because it is not cost effective in XYZ situations vs Y unit of the same race etc. if you come in complaining about balance saying whatever race you play needs whateverthefuck for buffs you come off as a clammoring race-fanboi. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
What's funny is how the second it's moved to website feedback, no one responds | ||
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On April 13 2010 05:18 Insane wrote: "Serious discussions" are a thing of the past - see the new SC2 forum rules I saw. I almost jizzed my pants when I saw the news. Thank you TL | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On April 13 2010 01:18 Pokebunny wrote: Look how serious this thread is. Serious business right here. What's funny is how the second it's moved to website feedback, no one responds Its the wasteland of TL: where good threads go to die. Kind of like the Mets and Raiders. | ||
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