TL Mafia XXVIII - Page 136

From: Subversion [ 799 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Mafia.
Date: 7/21/10 21:52
It was pretty stupid of me to mention that I have a role. I guess it was a panic AH MY GAD DONT VOTE FOR ME IM SPECIAL kinda moment. I don't really have a problem telling you, as mafia most likely know now I'm blue anyway.

What you say about chaoser rings true. Literally the only thing I'm going on with him is his little "test" that he was running by voting me. It sounded lame and stupid, but also didn't sound scummy to me at all. Just a feeling I guess, but I'm convinced he's not mafia. I also am apparently not very good at this game, lol, so I could be very wrong.

My role isn't night kill, it's detective. 1st night I checked Youngmini (he was 2nd in votes so seemed like a decent choice) and he flipped townie.

Do you know any medics? lol, I really want to tell one to save me!

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You were getting bandwagoned. That's one of the key ways I've found of generally determining if somebody is Mafia or not. Just the fact that so many people jumped on you without providing their own reasons is pretty indicative. Though you do have to be careful about what you say, especially early on. We already can see firsthand the consequences, no? As I mentioned in thread, somebody pointed out in PM to me that post, and I made voting analysis myself. Obviously I didn't post that because it's already been worked to death (this is why you do voting threads as a host; makes it simpler on everybody...) but from the responses and subsequent posting I have come to the conclusion that the town is just pointing fingers, spurred on by Mafia.

Regardless, you read as town to me now. I'll expound upon this further down.

Chaoser seems... suspicious to me. Unlike what I get from you and BrownBear, Chaoser seems more devious. I have to go look at his posting history more carefully, but it's something that I feel more people should be looking at. Especially pay attention to the "connections" Chaoser has made, both those that are antagonistic and the ones that seem more friendly.

Pyrr's post is very convincing, and mostly correct, and it's one of the good leads we have so far--at least it's more convincing than anything else we have. I was going to make a post today on the people that were being pointed at (promised it yesterday) but it seems that part of it has been taken care for me. Still, remember to always go back and look for yourself. Pretend like you never read the post, then try to see if you can draw the same conclusions. As such, I think DTA has a pretty equal chance of being town or Mafia. His past play is strong and logical, though he seems to be bored this game. Is he masking something? He may very well be, though his play style definitely doesn't help the town. If anything, he'll be worth lynching to get avoid getting rid of somebody more likely to be town.

I apologize for the length of this PM, though that's how they all tend to be. At this point though, I want to bring up the mention of roles. You've made two references now to not being a townie, both in thread a while back when you were asking if you should roleclaim and right now. It's a leap of faith asking you to trust somebody, but I want to discuss with you your role, which I am pretty sure is one of the night kill powers. If it is what I think it is, you have no worries in telling anybody your role.

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Bandwagon does seem like its starting to form. Although, to be honest I really felt I was getting bandwagoned! I mean, I made one stupid remark and suddenly everyone was up my ass

I'm glad we're looking at other people now, felt people were so focussed on me and Brownbear that noone was even looking at anyone else. I don't think I would have voted DTA if not for that post; I have been so worried about getting voted off its hard to think about other things besides defense! I was looking at chaoser 'cause his shit has been kind of weird, like voting for me "as a test"? What did that mean? But it seemed like he had some sincere, if not backwards plan so I didn't think he was mafia. Was going to look at DTA 'cause he was the other one with votes, but that's been done for me :D

I did find that post really, really convincing I must say. I am maybe n00b and easily influenced, but I don't know about DTA's history being new, and what that guy said really made a lot of sense.

It seems like the best choice for now, and to be honest, it's good for town if I'm not voted off. So if people are switching to someone else, and with good justification, it seems a good choice to go with that person.

Whats your take on the DTA as mafia thing? What did you think of that post?

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An interesting change of events, wouldn't you say? Though we should be careful not to bandwagon on this. Would you have even thought to have voted for DarthThienAn if it weren't for that post?

From: Subversion [ 799 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Mafia.
Date: 7/22/10 11:02
Cool, hope he doesn't think we're a mafia conspiracy

Chat soon.

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I sent him a PM as well:
No worries, I have the onus of casting a deciding vote as well...

Subversion is blue by the way. Just letting you know; do not vote for him. Between DarthThienAn and Chaoser, I still think DTA is a better target to lynch...

Be back soon.

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Thanks dude.

Pandain just unvoted because of a PM i sent him, so things are looking better for me.

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Don't worry. I'm still confident you won't be the one dying...

I have to go for now, but I will be back later on. Hang tight, my friend.

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Yeah, please vote for him if need be =/

I don't really think I have anything to lose by telling all if I'm literally about to die.

Will only do it though if its me for sure.

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If you flip blue, that's the truth enough... Innocents will still be lynched because of this. Don't think of martyring yourself at this point in the game.

I voted for abstain. Currently though I still think that DTA is top notch on the chopping block, but I will save you if necessary.

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If i'm sure I'm gonna die, I'm just gonna say I checked him night 1 and he's innocent.

That way when I flip blue they'll know I'm telling the truth, and at least won't lynch another innocent.

Have you voted yet? Looks like it may be me

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I haven't even thought about Amber this game... he keeps slipping below my radar.

I will do what I can to save you, if you are the Detective. I think it's a necessary risk I can take to keep you alive so you can check, but at this point if you stay alive you need to become part of the town. And by that I mean you've got to go to the highest source of confirmation we have so far, which is d3_crescentia, since he's pretty much confirmed town. I think between you and the other DT, to make sure that d3 is concretely town and not part of some elaborate Mafia ploy is to pass a check on him. If he turns up town-aligned, good for him. At that point, the risk is smaller than the reward since if d3_crescentia is the Godfather, that means that the other members of the Mafia team have nowhere to hide.

I'm just too suspicious of d3_crescentia still because after being almost ideally confirmed, he has been completely silent. I can just imagine the Mafia being ballsy enough to try this kind of ploy: "they won't suspect d3 being Mafia, since he put himself out there so quickly... don't even have to Godfather him."

This voting scenario is damn tricky right now. Any one vote can tip the balance, and it all comes down to who can post at the end if they really want to kill somebody.

If you do die though, make sure you have somebody to pass the information to. I would suggest youngminii, but he is under a lot of suspicion himself at the moment and I still think it's possible he could be the Godfather himself, and in that case it's an unwarranted risk if you tell it to him alone.

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Yeah, I meant check DTA. Although I'm not really convinced he's scum. Maybe someone a little more under the radar like Amber would be better.

Although now it looks like I'm top of the boot board again, fuck. I can't believe this is all over one stupid remark. Things are starting to look dire for me.

From: Subversion [ 799 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: I hope...
Date: 7/22/10 12:52
yeah lets hope so. and hey, maybe we'll get lucky

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I think so, but at this point it's way more risky to vote for somebody else... Luckily, with this large of a game we can afford a lot of mislynches. We have two Veterans, two medics, two night killing powers, verifiable Detectives, and Mafia only have 2 KP instead of 3. At the very least, we will draw a lot of information from whomever is lynched...

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Hahaha, I know right? this is so intense.

I really don't think any of the top 3 are mafia tho unfortunately.

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Alright, that makes sense. I hope you can just trust in me then for as long as you will.

Damn it, 18 to showtime.

I'm so nervous right now...

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I think BC is maybe more likely to be the GF. Gonna check Amber. Feel its a waste checking u, i'll prolly be killed or lynched soon, dont want to waste any checks.

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I'm worried about the BloodyC0bbler-Amber[LighT] dichotomy. I feel like one of them is Mafia, and probably a Godfather. It's hard to get a read on both because they both don't seem to be around the thread much.

If you want to check me to make absolutely certain that you've got somebody to trust, go ahead. I have no special powers though, and it's probably better for you to try to hook up with other blues.

Town needs to get organized... hopefully we can have another good night.

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Heh, its funny I've been thinking the same thing

I have been strongly, strongly considering doing a DT check on you. Mafia is funny like that.

I am who I say I am though. And I think I'm checking Amber next, he smells scummy as hell. I'm really worried they've made him Godfather though.

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That I've made the right decision in trusting you...

From: Subversion [ 799 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Check tonight.
Date: 7/23/10 09:35
think ill check BC rather

what do u think?

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Wait, you're checking Amber right?
I've been doing a bit of digging and Amber seems to be playing very inconspicuously. Doesn't add much to town, but does pop up to say "hey you guys are stupid" once in a while. BC is like this as well, but he's made the most pro-town post so far but it was ignored due to all the flaming, and when I brought it up again it was ignored as well.

Case in point, if you, as I do, believe that Amber is GF, do not contact him immediately. I have a belief that if Amber took the Godfather role, he has either chosen a blue role that seems out of the ordinary to lure Detectives into going "hey I checked you you were ___." Talk to people you trust first (I hope I am one of them) before bringing new people into your circle.

From: Subversion [ 799 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: Mafia just got more interesting...
Date: 7/23/10 15:42
awesome, sounds good.

sleep well ^_^

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Ahh my bad, I just went through PMs and checked--you did. I must have forgotten with the way Day 2 was going...
Sigh, I'm making one big post detailing the cases. Hopefully the town will follow it. I hope you and Pandain can get some work done this weekend... this is really bad timing for me in real life haha.

Will talk to you tomorrow, good sir.

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youngminii is town, checked him 1st check.

sorry thought i'd told u that already ^_^

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Ahh, sorry. I just had to keep cards close to the table until night was over you know? Now that we have a circle going though, I think we're fine. I told Pandain this, but I have guests coming over for the weekend that I have to entertain, so I won't be able to spend too much time here, but keep me informed alright? Ask him about the latest PM I sent him--it seems tree.hugger is dangerous.

Very suspicious of youngminii as well, since he tries to throw so much dirt on BC. I think there's a higher chance of BC being legitimate at this point and youngminii trying to stop a town circle than vice versa. Either way, we don't need to talk to him now unless you want to.

Got to go to bed in a few, guests in the morning.

Let's win this for the town; we got analysis to do.

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hmmm okay.

Just feel a little out of the loop when he PM's me and says "so u checked amber"

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Yeah, I think we can trust him...
Hope I'm not messing up, but my feelings have been okay so far.

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im guessing ur in communication with pandain?

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It's the most common choice, so it's a definite possibility.
Ugh this is not good for us right now... we need the Vigilante to claim to make sure it's a legitimate claim from BC.

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amber.

do u think he woulda chosen vanilla townie as GF?

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Which "he", Amber or BC?

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that is what im worried about =/

but he may have chosen a better role than vanilla townie.

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Hmm... definitely would have been easier to check BC, and we'd get more out of it.

Townie is good. I guess you can start talking to Amber, unless you suspect him of being GF.

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nope, checked amber.

got back vanilla townie.

dont quite know what to make of that.

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BloodyC0bbler claims he took a hit last night. Did you check him? That's the last PM I have from you and I didn't have time to respond.

From: Subversion [ 799 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: citi.zen's plan.
Date: 7/24/10 19:51
just feel like im losing control of the situation here. he's a bit impulsive, and i'd rather make the decisions myself than have to keep going thru him. also may seem suspicious later on.

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It was kind of weird that he did so... on his own as well. That could have potentially owned you if you had done so at the same time...

If you are going to do so, at least wait the time period okay? We might still have a counter-claim. If I were citi.zen and red, trading one red is worth getting two Detectives, since then the town has no way to find Mafia, right? Even so, I think it's too risky. What's wrong with using Pandain anyway, beyond the "convolution" factor.
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What do you think of it?

There are a few holes...

Not bad at all.

Some things I need to explain.

I checked young and he was townie. But the problem is him ORR amber COULD be GF. So pandain and I had this plan. pandain pm'd young and told him HE was the DT and had checked him. now we wait and see if pandain dies next, then we know young is scum.

But now with citizen's plan, pandain has PM'd citizen saying he is the DT. He did this without waiting for a response from me, he's a bit of a loose cannon like that, keeps making decisions without my approval.

anyway, i told him now that we need to tell citizen and the other DT that I am in fact the real DT, or else it gets way too convoluted, and obviously explain the plan about young.

this may be risky, but he keeps taking decisions into his own hands now, and i dont like that. I don't want to have to do everything through him anymore.