Was hoping to see more from jaedong in lecaf vs estro :/
Power Rank 01/16/2009 - Page 16
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Was hoping to see more from jaedong in lecaf vs estro :/ | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On January 21 2009 17:17 AnOth3rDAy wrote: As i said before i think this can really show some skill for the next PR. This is how good they are if they dont prepare for a specific opponent on a specific map i suppose. Anyway some names have just shined so far, luxury yarnc leta etc. Was hoping to see more from jaedong in lecaf vs estro :/ yep Winner's League format is the rawest form of competition, it has the highest overall skill requirement for prolonged success | ||
Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On January 21 2009 17:36 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: yep Winner's League format is the rawest form of competition, it has the highest overall skill requirement for prolonged success yes but, a lot of potentially good players may not have the chance to prove that they are good, since their teams may win without them... oh but, Fail Rank is a great idea !!! stork for #1! (since FailRrank shouldn`t include the worst players, or else way MuMyung would be imba. Instead it should include the players that FAILED to meet the expectations) | ||
Geo.Rion
7376 Posts
On January 21 2009 18:26 Jaeden wrote: yes but, a lot of potentially good players may not have the chance to prove that they are good, since their teams may win without them... oh but, Fail Rank is a great idea !!! stork for #1! (since FailRrank shouldn`t include the worst players, or else way MuMyung would be imba. Instead it should include the players that FAILED to meet the expectations) Stork is actaully fulfilling the expectations, (because of the OSL curse, 3-2 in final) he has to fall, so he's doing it in the most unqestionable style, no fail there. | ||
Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On January 21 2009 19:15 Geo.Rion wrote: Stork is actaully fulfilling the expectations, (because of the OSL curse, 3-2 in final) he has to fall, so he's doing it in the most unqestionable style, no fail there. Well, a whole lot of users picked him for the FPL, so it means that many were believing that he's not dead yet, and instead, he`s been a huge waste of 6 points | ||
rredtooth
5458 Posts
Next month's (or 1.5 month's) power rank will be so hard to make because you have to include the S-class talent while considering the success of the all-killers (like luxury and yarnc) who wouldn't normally make it but nevertheless performed great. | ||
LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7376 Posts
On January 21 2009 23:33 LordWeird wrote: Luxury has been playing so well lately. I hope he can keep it up and end up on next month's PR. The lack of Z has been concerning lately. Gogo Luxury! It seems that zergs found themsleves, more and more of them ae qualifing for the SLs and 2 all-kills up to now were done by zergs, not to mantion against high caliber teams | ||
Solidus_315
213 Posts
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d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 20 2009 05:23 SerpentFlame wrote: Impressive, but nevertheless, the top-level skill he exhibited in that matchup so far is only mechanical. There are plenty of gamers who have the stellar mechanics needed for a matchup that they still suck at, and Leta has yet to prove himself as different. Yarnc and Luxury, for example, have always had ridiculous mutalisk harassment, but they still manage to lose a good percentage of their games against Protoss. how the fuck is map-wide vulture harass "mechanical"?. it wasnt the micro that was difficult, it was the game sense to alternatively hit different weak point across the map and before you parade around leta's loss to free, don't forget leta's ass raping of him a week or so prior | ||
MyLovelyLurker
France730 Posts
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muramasa
Canada1299 Posts
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SerpentFlame
415 Posts
On January 22 2009 08:08 d_so wrote: how the fuck is map-wide vulture harass "mechanical"?. it wasnt the micro that was difficult, it was the game sense to alternatively hit different weak point across the map and before you parade around leta's loss to free, don't forget leta's ass raping of him a week or so prior Leta didn't rape free's ass any harder than free raped leta's ass, and Leta hasn't been posting good results against top level Protoss. I never said Leta isn't good against protoss, but simply that he's no where near the S-class? Saying he raped free's ass once isn't enough evidence to derail his much more humiliating losses, when all of his wins versus Protoss players are less than sublime. And let's not forget that vulture harass is against Guemchi, who despite going 3-1 that night, hasn't done anything notable since the Protoss neo-king era (which was a damned long time ago). A reasonably good player will always look like he has excellent gamesense against a much weaker one (E.g, BackHo vs Firefist, Terato vs Freedom, Rock vs Mumyung, etc, etc.). That night wasn't S-class TvP. It also wasn't by any means a low-class TvP, but Leta still has a ways to go in that respect. EDIT: we're going to have one majorly inverted power rank next month if the trends that are happening in the WLPL continue. | ||
Plutonium
United States2217 Posts
I do look forward to more of July. There's no doubt in my mind that he is the best protoss killer in the world right now. I anticipate another OSL where he chews through a long line of Protosses like slices of ham on twelve-foot party sub sandwich. | ||
Geo.Rion
7376 Posts
On January 22 2009 11:33 Plutonium wrote: I'm not sure there's any Terrans at the moment out there who can beat the S-Class tosses. Flash and Leta might be able to go toe-to-toe on their very best days, but I don't see any sort of TvP god out there who can dominate with any sort of consistency. There's a whole lot of two-matchup wonders though, like Hwasin and FBH, but there's nobody who can do what Flash was doing on Katrina a year ago. I do look forward to more of July. There's no doubt in my mind that he is the best protoss killer in the world right now. I anticipate another OSL where he chews through a long line of Protosses like slices of ham on twelve-foot party sub sandwich. i would say the best toss-killer is Bisu, but fro the non-protosses July has a shot. So does Flash btw | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 22 2009 10:50 SerpentFlame wrote: Leta didn't rape free's ass any harder than free raped leta's ass, and Leta hasn't been posting good results against top level Protoss. I never said Leta isn't good against protoss, but simply that he's no where near the S-class? Saying he raped free's ass once isn't enough evidence to derail his much more humiliating losses, when all of his wins versus Protoss players are less than sublime. And let's not forget that vulture harass is against Guemchi, who despite going 3-1 that night, hasn't done anything notable since the Protoss neo-king era (which was a damned long time ago). A reasonably good player will always look like he has excellent gamesense against a much weaker one (E.g, BackHo vs Firefist, Terato vs Freedom, Rock vs Mumyung, etc, etc.). That night wasn't S-class TvP. It also wasn't by any means a low-class TvP, but Leta still has a ways to go in that respect. EDIT: we're going to have one majorly inverted power rank next month if the trends that are happening in the WLPL continue. The vulture sniping against Free is what I meant... And you have to factor in the imbalance of Colosseum. And if you go 14-5 in your weakest match-up in your last 19 games, that's pretty close to Bonjwa win%'s(iloveoov's TvT or Savior's ZvZ weren't really much better than that in their primes). | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 22 2009 10:49 muramasa wrote: Oh god this makes me giddy thinking bout this ^^July is currently on a 9 game win streak which is pretty impressive. If the Protoss players do their job of killing all the Terrans in the OSL, July could easily walk away as the first person with 4 OSL titles. His ZvP is just that good right now. The biggest question is whether he's been able to improve on his ZvT, or was his win vs FBH just a fluke. Nada for 4 MSLs, July for 4 OSLs in the same season! | ||
d_so
Korea (South)3262 Posts
On January 22 2009 10:50 SerpentFlame wrote: Leta didn't rape free's ass any harder than free raped leta's ass, and Leta hasn't been posting good results against top level Protoss. I never said Leta isn't good against protoss, but simply that he's no where near the S-class? Saying he raped free's ass once isn't enough evidence to derail his much more humiliating losses, when all of his wins versus Protoss players are less than sublime. And let's not forget that vulture harass is against Guemchi, who despite going 3-1 that night, hasn't done anything notable since the Protoss neo-king era (which was a damned long time ago). A reasonably good player will always look like he has excellent gamesense against a much weaker one (E.g, BackHo vs Firefist, Terato vs Freedom, Rock vs Mumyung, etc, etc.). That night wasn't S-class TvP. It also wasn't by any means a low-class TvP, but Leta still has a ways to go in that respect. EDIT: we're going to have one majorly inverted power rank next month if the trends that are happening in the WLPL continue. stop inflating/obfuscating your answers when you don't know what you're talking about. you say leta's vP success is strictly due to mechanics. you mention this specifically in reference to his play vs geumchi. my question, which you have yet to answer: wtF about vulture harass is mechanical? specifically, where was the "mechanics" in his match vs geumchi? simple answer is that microing mass vultures is easy and its effectiveness comes from game sense and positioning, not micro. leta's vulture harass owned that game cuz he constantly hit geumchi's weak points all across the map. it had nothing to do with mechanics. don't try to pigeonhole him as a "mechanical" player, even vs P, because it's simply not true. | ||
StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Thats like iloveoov and savior had during their bonjwaprimes, except they kept it for almost 2 pages (not quite though). The big difference is that oov and savior got themselves a few badges from those wins too. If Leta wins one of the starleagues he'll most likely hit the highest ELO ever? He's 2nd now. | ||
SerpentFlame
415 Posts
On January 23 2009 06:36 d_so wrote: stop inflating/obfuscating your answers when you don't know what you're talking about. you say leta's vP success is strictly due to mechanics. you mention this specifically in reference to his play vs geumchi. my question, which you have yet to answer: wtF about vulture harass is mechanical? specifically, where was the "mechanics" in his match vs geumchi? simple answer is that microing mass vultures is easy and its effectiveness comes from game sense and positioning, not micro. leta's vulture harass owned that game cuz he constantly hit geumchi's weak points all across the map. it had nothing to do with mechanics. don't try to pigeonhole him as a "mechanical" player, even vs P, because it's simply not true. The post that I initially commented on said that Leta has no weaknesses. This is simply not true; even Flash and Bisu have shown a few pretty glaring weaknesses of late, and Leta is no different. The point I'm trying to make through this is simply that he hasn't been proven up there yet with even the modern By.Flash in TvP. Oops, I misread your point about vulture harass (by snipes I thought you meant Templar snipes, and somehow managed to misread your post after that). MY bad. Either way, one game vs Free isn't going to prove he's S-class v P when 4/5 times he gets steamrolled by players who are simply better at that matchup (and there are quite a few). I agree with you that he's an quickly improving and intelligent player; but even the almighty Emperor was never stellar when it came to TvP, and it doesn't look like Leta will be yet. Still, many very crappy players still have isolated incidents where they somehow show off great gamesense, so even his game vs Free was an isolated incident; Leta hasn't separated himself from the pack in that matchup just yet. | ||
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