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On July 25 2019 21:40 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 09:49 zev318 wrote: i dont think removing the max would pass on either side, no matter what u guys thinks it will solve.
the players wouldnt want it as 95% of the players would never see that kind of money anyways and would instead lose money. the owners wouldnt want it as what happens when a guy u are paying 80mil a year gets injured?
its actually quite easy to see if a league is losing money, is the cap going up? if it is, then they are not losing money. Why would taking away the max take money away from the players? Wouldn’t it just change the distribution?
unless you are significantly increasing the salary cap to go along with removing the max salary, it will cause the other players on the team to get paid less. imagine paying lebron 50 mil, it takes away money that would've otherwise gone to the other 14 players on the team. and since 95% of the players will never see something like 50 mil, why would they agree to get less of the pie just so the lebrons and the kawhis can get paid 50 mil?
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On July 25 2019 22:30 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2019 21:40 JimmiC wrote:On July 25 2019 09:49 zev318 wrote: i dont think removing the max would pass on either side, no matter what u guys thinks it will solve.
the players wouldnt want it as 95% of the players would never see that kind of money anyways and would instead lose money. the owners wouldnt want it as what happens when a guy u are paying 80mil a year gets injured?
its actually quite easy to see if a league is losing money, is the cap going up? if it is, then they are not losing money. Why would taking away the max take money away from the players? Wouldn’t it just change the distribution? unless you are significantly increasing the salary cap to go along with removing the max salary, it will cause the other players on the team to get paid less. imagine paying lebron 50 mil, it takes away money that would've otherwise gone to the other 14 players on the team. and since 95% of the players will never see something like 50 mil, why would they agree to get less of the pie just so the lebrons and the kawhis can get paid 50 mil?
Yes it will take away from the bottom of the max. But before the max, mid level and all this crap people were distributed all the way through. There was more of a "middle" class for lack of a better term. These rules make it so most players are either max or pretty close to the min. I think it might make it so since you could only afford 1 super star that you would end up getting more of that middle class back. It would be, 2-3 superstar or tank land.
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Reports coming in that Kawhi was going to the Lakers if Clippers didn't get a second guy. That's what I thought from the start. Toronto takes it graciously yet are still hurt obviously, but they just never had any chance, going to LA is not a basketball decision.
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I can't see why anyone would have any problem with players using the NBA as their personal rec league.
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Both Durant and Leonard risked their long term health in the quest for an NBA title. They played out their contracts and did everything they could do for their former teams. Let'em go where they want.
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On July 26 2019 02:26 Jerubaal wrote: I can't see why anyone would have any problem with players using the NBA as their personal rec league.
as opposed to the owners’/GMs’ personal team building league? i don’t see how giving the players control makes it any less serious
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On July 26 2019 07:30 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:26 Jerubaal wrote: I can't see why anyone would have any problem with players using the NBA as their personal rec league. as opposed to the owners’/GMs’ personal team building league? i don’t see how giving the players control makes it any less serious
all about leverage, the players bring in all the money, lawhi got a whole country to tune in
mcgregor knows whats up
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On July 26 2019 07:30 IgnE wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 02:26 Jerubaal wrote: I can't see why anyone would have any problem with players using the NBA as their personal rec league. as opposed to the owners’/GMs’ personal team building league? i don’t see how giving the players control makes it any less serious
I think for fans they want their team to have a equal chance to win as everyone else's team, and theoretically this is why the rules of Salary caps, the draft and so on happened. The fear is that if the NBA moves to a completely player driven league that they will all want to go play in the few major centers and the rest of the teams won't have a "fair" shake.
And I believe what the fans want does matter as they are the ones turning all these super athlete's into millionaires, and a few billionaires even. And of course also making the billionaire owners even richer.
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On July 26 2019 08:29 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 07:30 IgnE wrote:On July 26 2019 02:26 Jerubaal wrote: I can't see why anyone would have any problem with players using the NBA as their personal rec league. as opposed to the owners’/GMs’ personal team building league? i don’t see how giving the players control makes it any less serious I think for fans they want their team to have a equal chance to win as everyone else's team, and theoretically this is why the rules of Salary caps, the draft and so on happened. The fear is that if the NBA moves to a completely player driven league that they will all want to go play in the few major centers and the rest of the teams won't have a "fair" shake. And I believe what the fans want does matter as they are the ones turning all these super athlete's into millionaires, and a few billionaires even. And of course also making the billionaire owners even richer.
fans who want an equal chance are just delusional, theres no such thing. all u can hope for is that the odds are not stacked as much against your team as other teams.
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Pro teams like the Tampa Bay Rays and Atlanta Hawks that get very weak support even when they have a winning team will have a hard time attracting both free agents and top notch executive talent. They'll always be at a disadvantage compared to other teams until their fan-bases wake up. No amount of rule trickery will level the playing field for them.
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Just split the country into Laker fans and Celtics fans. You don't have to root for the city you live in.
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Pretty sure that is exactly what the rules are trying to avoid =-)
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On July 26 2019 01:55 ZenithM wrote: Reports coming in that Kawhi was going to the Lakers if Clippers didn't get a second guy. That's what I thought from the start. Toronto takes it graciously yet are still hurt obviously, but they just never had any chance, going to LA is not a basketball decision. He only signed a year deal so he has to keep the bidding war going by claiming he was "very close" to going someplace else. Also, if its truly all about family and not about titles he would not wait until the Clippers trade for PG before signing.
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The player Stans would have a leg to stand on if free agents were always manipulating their way to the Spurs. But as it is they just look silly IMO. Anyone who tries to get to the Lakers is intentionally choosing to collaborate with idiots.
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I believe it was a 2 year deal with an option for 3. This way if he's still healthy after 2 he can take advantage of the 10 year player rates. I also believe this was the contract he was going to sign no matter where he went.
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Which makes it an even worse deal for the Clippers. Leonard carefully orchestrated a bidding war between as many teams as possible. He even tried to include the Knicks and Nets to make it an auction. Thus, his latest prepared speech can only be taken for what he has been doing leading up to it. Its a carefully orchestrated move... i wouldn't read to much into what he said.
He makes the Clippers feel good about only getting a 2 year deal while trading away lots of players ...by telegraphing that he was going to the Lakers.
Who knows what he was really going to do or how "close" his decision really was.
On to another topic: if the tweet below is true. This is great news.
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No tax payer dollars and on city property. Is this land valueless? Who will be paying the property tax?
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On July 26 2019 23:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 01:55 ZenithM wrote: Reports coming in that Kawhi was going to the Lakers if Clippers didn't get a second guy. That's what I thought from the start. Toronto takes it graciously yet are still hurt obviously, but they just never had any chance, going to LA is not a basketball decision. He only signed a year deal so he has to keep the bidding war going by claiming he was "very close" to going someplace else. Also, if its truly all about family and not about titles he would not wait until the Clippers trade for PG before signing. Could have been something like 1) get to LA, 2) build his own good team. If you're going to LA anyway and both teams want you bad, might as well create the best situation for you.
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On July 28 2019 17:34 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2019 23:18 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On July 26 2019 01:55 ZenithM wrote: Reports coming in that Kawhi was going to the Lakers if Clippers didn't get a second guy. That's what I thought from the start. Toronto takes it graciously yet are still hurt obviously, but they just never had any chance, going to LA is not a basketball decision. He only signed a year deal so he has to keep the bidding war going by claiming he was "very close" to going someplace else. Also, if its truly all about family and not about titles he would not wait until the Clippers trade for PG before signing. Could have been something like 1) get to LA, 2) build his own good team. If you're going to LA anyway and both teams want you bad, might as well create the best situation for you. true, and i should've said it was a 2 year guaranteed deal in there
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It’s a 2 plus 1 with the 1 being a player option. So if he gets injured he’s going to make his full 100 million. But if he remains healthy he can resign there or anywhere the stupid big 10 year player super max.
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