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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 00:01:32
August 21 2019 23:41 GMT
#241
How can the WNBA problem be fixed?


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It has been 23 years, but the WNBA might as well just be a regular weekday gradeschool girls' basketball little 3-day league in Wyoming. I mean come on! What can the NBA do to fix the problem.

But first, a poll:

What kind of an WNBA fan are you?

Poll: What kind of an WNBA fan are you?

1. What's WNBA? Don't know don't care (2)
 
50%

2. I watch when I happen to tv surf into a game (2)
 
50%

3. I know the teams and I watch occasionally (0)
 
0%

4. I have favorite players and teams, and I follow them regularly (0)
 
0%

5. WNBA Stan (0)
 
0%

4 total votes

Your vote: What kind of an WNBA fan are you?

(Vote): 1. What's WNBA? Don't know don't care
(Vote): 2. I watch when I happen to tv surf into a game
(Vote): 3. I know the teams and I watch occasionally
(Vote): 4. I have favorite players and teams, and I follow them regularly
(Vote): 5. WNBA Stan


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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 22 2019 03:29 GMT
#242
Is that a troll post or what?
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
August 22 2019 06:12 GMT
#243
On August 22 2019 12:29 cLutZ wrote:
Is that a troll post or what?

Serious. I mean Its over 2 decades old and its not taking off, and current projections predict its steeper downhill in the next 2-3 years. It's practically a cash drain for the NBA.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 10:23:43
August 22 2019 10:16 GMT
#244
I was going to say, maybe they could put WNBA games in the NBA offseason, I have no basketball to watch and I'm sad. But then I realized there were precisely a bunch of games just yesterday, that's how little I know about the WNBA. I think it's very enjoyable to watch when I stumble upon it though.
How would I go about watching it from Europe? Also likely without paying for it :D.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 22 2019 13:06 GMT
#245
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 22 2019 14:49 GMT
#246
I don't even fit into any of your 5 voting categories. The problem with the WNBA is that basketball is not a good sport for girls. Its like gymnastics. The guys do the rings, ladies do not. It doesn't matter that it would be fair and even if girls faced girls in the rings, it still wouldn't be a good competition. The basketball is fundamentally a sport about jumping and moving side to side quickly. Football is fundamentally a sport about power and size. These are not sports that will ever make sense to put girls in. See, for example, the massive rate of ACL tears for girls bball players. They should just take all the wbball resources and put them into sports based off of Survivor's immunity challenges until they find some that hit.

Freeeeeeedom
redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 15:57:30
August 22 2019 15:56 GMT
#247
On August 22 2019 23:49 cLutZ wrote:
I don't even fit into any of your 5 voting categories. The problem with the WNBA is that basketball is not a good sport for girls. Its like gymnastics. The guys do the rings, ladies do not. It doesn't matter that it would be fair and even if girls faced girls in the rings, it still wouldn't be a good competition. The basketball is fundamentally a sport about jumping and moving side to side quickly. Football is fundamentally a sport about power and size. These are not sports that will ever make sense to put girls in. See, for example, the massive rate of ACL tears for girls bball players. They should just take all the wbball resources and put them into sports based off of Survivor's immunity challenges until they find some that hit.


I used to be strength and conditioning coach for a local community college and the girls soccer and basketball teams got injured at a much higher rate of the men's team. Women's hips being natural more outward and knees being more inward which makes girls more vulnerable to hip, knee, and ankle, injury. On the flipside, Men who participated is dance classes got injured at a much higher rate than the girls did because they are not as flexible. Girls and Boys can train to make those muscles stronger, but they cant out train the skeletal structure of the body.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-22 16:19:48
August 22 2019 16:06 GMT
#248
I have an orthopaedic surgeon in my family who once carefully explained to me how the female shoulder joint is fundamentally different from the male shoulder joint. It explains why a really skinny Tim Lincedum can weigh 150 lbs and be under 6 feet tall in college and throw a 99 MPH fastball while no woman alive can come close to that speed. Women way bigger, with far longer arms and far more muscle can't come close to what Tim Lincecum did at age 18. And, I think Dennis "Oil Can" Boyd was even smaller than Lincecum. I'm pretty sure Marcus Stroman's 4-seamer is over 95mph. What is he? 5'6" ?

I wonder if its the same for the knee joint? With far wider hips the femur must be at a different angle. So I wonder if the knee joint of women is fundamentally different leading to very different injury patterns than men experience.

I think the WNBA players need to do what every other pro athlete does. Travel to where the money is. The best Canadian soccer players aren't going to make their best money on the continent Canada is on. They play in Europe or some other far off land to maximize their income. I suggest the WNBA players do the same thing.
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-23 01:12:20
August 23 2019 01:06 GMT
#249
Where is the money for female basketball players though? I'm not sure the demand for female bball is higher elsewhere.

I'm also really not in favor of the solutions based on changing the ruleset for women that you see proposed sometimes. Like lower rims. First, they themselves don't want that and it's not practical, and second I'm not convinced it would help the watchability. Just because dunks are more frequent doesn't mean they will be impressive, or that it would help getting more viewers.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 23 2019 01:17 GMT
#250
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-23 02:01:26
August 23 2019 02:00 GMT
#251
On August 23 2019 10:06 ZenithM wrote:
Where is the money for female basketball players though? I'm not sure the demand for female bball is higher elsewhere.

I'm also really not in favor of the solutions based on changing the ruleset for women that you see proposed sometimes. Like lower rims. First, they themselves don't want that and it's not practical, and second I'm not convinced it would help the watchability. Just because dunks are more frequent doesn't mean they will be impressive, or that it would help getting more viewers.


russia/china/turkey pays more, but i'd say most articles i read never say anything about how they could afford to pay higher. it said some teams are backed by governments, some have rich owners who dont care about losing money on a women's team. which is kinda like dota, u got some owners who dont care, they just want the best and winning.
redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-23 02:27:10
August 23 2019 02:26 GMT
#252
On August 23 2019 01:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
I wonder if its the same for the knee joint? With far wider hips the femur must be at a different angle. So I wonder if the knee joint of women is fundamentally different leading to very different injury patterns than men experience.


For women that are especially tall as in basketball, it exacerbates the chance of injury. Then longer a woman's legs are, then longer the hips are away from the knee, leaving more room for the muscles around the femur and patella to move thus increasing the odds of a sprain, break, tear, fracture, laceration, strain, etc.
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
August 23 2019 13:20 GMT
#253
TIL, women and injuries. I'll admit, after Lisa Leslie and Loeb early in the WNBA, I havent watched a literal minute of WNBA.

@cLutz. what category would you be in?

@JJ, you seem well connected in the sports/sports science industry, and you obviously have the aptitude and interest, why dont you work in sports?
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-23 22:00:41
August 23 2019 19:58 GMT
#254
Luke Walton dodged a bullet.


i guess more shots will be fired when the civil lawsuit commences.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 24 2019 00:53 GMT
#255
On August 23 2019 22:20 Twinkle Toes wrote:
TIL, women and injuries. I'll admit, after Lisa Leslie and Loeb early in the WNBA, I havent watched a literal minute of WNBA.

@cLutz. what category would you be in?

@JJ, you seem well connected in the sports/sports science industry, and you obviously have the aptitude and interest, why dont you work in sports?

I would be in "don't care" but because people pretend its a super cool sport and isn't a meat grinder for naive teenage girls, I actively dislike it.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
August 24 2019 14:53 GMT
#256
On August 23 2019 10:06 ZenithM wrote:
Where is the money for female basketball players though? I'm not sure the demand for female bball is higher elsewhere.

i think women basketball players are paid more in Europe, Japan, and Australia.
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
August 24 2019 16:40 GMT
#257
Team USA this year lul
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
August 24 2019 16:46 GMT
#258
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16702 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-24 19:23:49
August 24 2019 18:52 GMT
#259
the same thing is kinda happening in hockey as well. For years certain NHLers said they were going to the Olympics whether or not the NHL allowed it. None of them went. Maybe the olympics will come completely full circle and be given back to the amateur athletes because the pros have better things to do.

oh, and btw.. Ordell Robbie has Kevin Durant and the Golden State Warriors..
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right here in his Raptor Bag.
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
August 28 2019 00:29 GMT
#260
THE. WORST. TEAM. EVER.
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