On June 30 2008 03:44 CapO wrote:
this shit really scares me.. WTF..
this shit really scares me.. WTF..
because you don't understand it
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On June 30 2008 03:44 CapO wrote: this shit really scares me.. WTF.. because you don't understand it | ||
Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
On June 30 2008 03:46 fusionsdf wrote: because you don't understand it If the guys doing it understood it, it wouldn't be called an experiment. | ||
CapO
United States1615 Posts
On June 30 2008 03:46 fusionsdf wrote: because you don't understand it so make me understand. is it perfectly safe? no way it's gonna blow up the earth? | ||
GeneralStan
United States4789 Posts
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6631 Posts
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ritebkatya
United States22 Posts
On June 13 2008 09:57 Funchucks wrote: Show nested quote + On June 13 2008 09:07 ritebkatya wrote: funchucks: your statements are ridiculous. you don't back anything up What is there to back up? My position is essentially philosophical. I am not arguing in favor of any particular doomsday scenario. i did not disagree, since a lot of your arguments weren't not based on science. however, i feel like even philosophical people have to back something up before telling doctoral candidates that they are neither smart nor sane. i'm not saying that i'm necessarily either, but that seems like a broad generalizing statement from someone that doesn't know what they're talking about. The risk of global destruction is unknown. Not small, not insignificant, simply unknown, utterly unquantifiable. not utterly unquantifiable. if you note my previous post, we pretty much wouldn't see any high-energy astrophysical phenomena. this has nothing to do with the specifics of what LHC does. it's simply high-energy particles hitting and interacting with a target. it's literally the same process, but at higher rates, energies, and with a wider variety of particles. so basically more than what we would see at the LHC. and the fact that there are high-energy objects with surfaces out there means we're probably okay, unless you believe god will step in and murder us all for turning on LHC. Nobody has even attempted to argue against my philosophical position. They only want to throw around weak credentials ad hominem attacks, and echoes of the "we don't really know, but we're not worried" assumption-heavy safety evaluations I had already addressed. true, but basically you're acting as the philosophical descendant of the pope in that argument vs. galileo. "maybe God would strike us all down for questioning His Plan. so don't ask those questions, and don't test them." but science isn't science without a sense of adventure and excitement at what's going to come next. also, philosophy is almost always poor ground to stand on in making a case against hard science. check out the whole of human history. incidentally, if you think a doctorate is a weak credential, then let me tell you something about doctoral candidates and post-docs: they do the majority of the calculations in the majority of physics papers. professors spend a lot of their time managing several different projects and writing grants. they can and do calculate stuff themselves. but often times they leave a lot of the grunt-work to the grunts. ask any non-professor physicist (even us students). you'll find out we do all our own calculations ourselves on our projects. ask any professor. he'll say he's got a few projects on his plate, maybe one or two his own, and five others as collaborations with students and post-docs. and i don't think i recall any of the physics students here said "we don't really know." i think that was actually pretty much just your statement. | ||
SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On June 30 2008 04:16 CapO wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2008 03:46 fusionsdf wrote: On June 30 2008 03:44 CapO wrote: this shit really scares me.. WTF.. because you don't understand it so make me understand. is it perfectly safe? no way it's gonna blow up the earth? no we're all fucked trust me, im a physicistititit | ||
Funchucks
Canada2113 Posts
On June 30 2008 05:06 ritebkatya wrote: basically you're acting as the philosophical descendant of the pope in that argument vs. galileo. The Large Hardon Collider is nothing more than a gloryhole with no spirit of cooperation. It is an abomination in the eyes of Thor, who will hammer this thread into the depths until it can never rise again. | ||
ggzerg.onFire1
United States26 Posts
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MiniRoman
Canada3953 Posts
The sign guy must have fucked up. | ||
Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
On June 30 2008 06:05 MiniRoman wrote: I assume it's in french. I might add that I dont speak french but I have the feeling that they tend to toss around the order of the words a bit. "European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN," The sign guy must have fucked up. | ||
Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 30 2008 05:49 ggzerg.onFire1 wrote: The thing is that black holes decay. so even if they create a black whole it decays really fast. i heard about this with hawking black hole While everyone agrees that black holes indeed do decay very quickly (hawkings radiation), it has not yet been experimentally verified, and cannot be used in a "we are safe for sure" argument. Such an argument must be based entirely of empirical data, as the white dwarf/neutron star argument is. And almost for sure there wont be any black holes at all in CERN. Some exotic large-extra-dimensions theory has to be true for any black holes at all in LHC... | ||
man
United States272 Posts
On June 30 2008 06:05 MiniRoman wrote: "European Center for Nuclear Research, or CERN," The sign guy must have fucked up. Conseil Européen pour la Recherche Nucléaire | ||
Krzycho
Poland442 Posts
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betaben
681 Posts
On June 30 2008 04:01 Funchucks wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2008 03:46 fusionsdf wrote: On June 30 2008 03:44 CapO wrote: this shit really scares me.. WTF.. because you don't understand it If the guys doing it understood it, it wouldn't be called an experiment. I disagree with this view of the word 'experiment'. If you have a closed door and you don't know who is behind it, but you have a choice of your mum or your grandma, you call out 'is it mum or gran?' this is an experiment. it's not that they don't have any clue what is going on. they have narrowed it down to mum or grandma. but they don't know which. it is still an experiment to find out what is there, you don't need to misunderstand something to conduct an experiment. | ||
Kroc.
Peru95 Posts
On June 30 2008 07:31 betaben wrote: Show nested quote + On June 30 2008 04:01 Funchucks wrote: On June 30 2008 03:46 fusionsdf wrote: On June 30 2008 03:44 CapO wrote: this shit really scares me.. WTF.. because you don't understand it If the guys doing it understood it, it wouldn't be called an experiment. I disagree with this view of the word 'experiment'. If you have a closed door and you don't know who is behind it, but you have a choice of your mum or your grandma, you call out 'is it mum or gran?' this is an experiment. it's not that they don't have any clue what is going on. they have narrowed it down to mum or grandma. but they don't know which. it is still an experiment to find out what is there, you don't need to misunderstand something to conduct an experiment. betaben, don't waste your time trying to explain something to Funchucks. He has proven in this thread that he is unable to understand an argument given by people much more knowledgeable than him in the subject. So, I would suggest to just say condescending things to him.... PS: I love you too, Funchucks | ||
MCMcEmcee
United States1609 Posts
lvl22 human student lfg for CERN raid ;( In any case, good to know that a random lawyer in Hawaii with a minor in physics can try to save the world from the meddling of top theoreticians and scientists in Europe. | ||
[MAC]Darklight
United States30 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 30 2008 09:30 [MAC]Darklight wrote: I should mention that the forces at work in the star we orbit, our sun, are astronomically (pardon the pun) more potent than those the particles in the LHC will experience, and its been going strong for a few billion years now. Well, no, they are not. They are not even close as a matter of fact. They fusion in the sun is at energy scales of roughly 10's of MeV (the mass loss of 4 protons and 2 electrons turning into helium). LHC nominal energy is 14 TeV, that is about one million times as high energy. The energies in the sun are still very high compared to "normal" chemical reactions with visible light and normal electronic excitations, which are at scales of a few eV, being yet another factor one million lower than the typical energies in the sun. | ||
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