Riot Announces Franchising for NA LCS - Page 2
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
The one thing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense is having Riot involved in the Player's Association. | ||
Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
On June 05 2017 09:29 StarStruck wrote: Blizzard doesn't know how to run E-Sports. The buy-in for League... meh, there are enough people getting involved from the real professional sports in North America to warrant the entry price. I wonder how things will look for endorsements, livestreaming, etc. The one thing that doesn't make a whole lot of sense is having Riot involved in the Player's Association. We'll be funding the launch of the Association, however the representation that the players vote on and elect is responsible solely to them. The goal is that this Association is an independent voice of the players to work with Riot and the teams. It's our hope and expectation that as the association grows, the players assume full financial control over the organization — we believe this is the most effective way to give the process a kick start and provide them with an official voice. can people read the article first? or the thread? this was literally cleared up in the first few posts in this thread. | ||
PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 05 2017 09:38 Kaneh wrote: can people read the article first? or the thread? this was literally cleared up in the first few posts in this thread. I mean thats the stance yeah. but like... A. Thats a hope and expectation not a reality yet. B. Solely financial control, or all control? C. When something gets jump started by money you gotta wonder about the psychology of being indebted to riot when it comes to earnest negotiations about it. it WILL affect negotiations early on. and early negotiations are the important ones because you have to fight for every inch past that. And with imports, players are exceptionally disposable in case of strike, while teams and riot especially have absolute authority with lock outs. | ||
Gahlo
United States34966 Posts
On June 05 2017 10:32 PrinceXizor wrote: I mean thats the stance yeah. but like... A. Thats a hope and expectation not a reality yet. B. Solely financial control, or all control? C. When something gets jump started by money you gotta wonder about the psychology of being indebted to riot when it comes to earnest negotiations about it. it WILL affect negotiations early on. and early negotiations are the important ones because you have to fight for every inch past that. And with imports, players are exceptionally disposable in case of strike, while teams and riot especially have absolute authority with lock outs. These people we're talking about are shut ins with crap life skills. A lot of them can barely function outside of professional league. They need somebody to give them a lineup to pick from and nobody in the scene has the ability to vet people for something like this than Riot does. | ||
JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On June 05 2017 13:08 JimmiC wrote: It's funny how now a days corporations are like the Russians of the 90a. Always the villains! Even when they do good things so many people assume it's for evil reasons I'm not assuming riot is setting up a players union specifically to manipulate it down the road, im just wondering whether or not the players union will be as aggressive in defending the rights of its members as it needs to be if it gets started on riot cash. I'm comparing it's situation to the NFLPA an the NFL. where the NFLPA is very little bargaining power, and the players suffer as a result in negotiations. In the NFL compensation isn't the issue it's injury and post retirement health coverage that is the sticking point. LCSPU issues would probably be somewhere around work hours, practice regimes and compensation and worker expectations in terms of hours spent on the game in non-paid hours. But also "corportations" have been an american staple as "the bad guy" in fiction and pop culture since the age of the robber barons of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan etc. | ||
AdsMoFro
Japan4761 Posts
On June 05 2017 13:16 PrinceXizor wrote: I'm not assuming riot is setting up a players union specifically to manipulate it down the road, im just wondering whether or not the players union will be as aggressive in defending the rights of its members as it needs to be if it gets started on riot cash. I'm comparing it's situation to the NFLPA an the NFL. where the NFLPA is very little bargaining power, and the players suffer as a result in negotiations. In the NFL compensation isn't the issue it's injury and post retirement health coverage that is the sticking point. LCSPU issues would probably be somewhere around work hours, practice regimes and compensation and worker expectations in terms of hours spent on the game in non-paid hours. But also "corportations" have been an american staple as "the bad guy" in fiction and pop culture since the age of the robber barons of Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan etc. That's the problem for the Players. They seem to not understand the value of a players union, otherwise, they would've started one. Riot wants to start the brand new age of NA LCS where everything is set up right from the get-go that will set the platform for the next 10+ years of NA LoL. That includes a Players Union, and if the players aren't ready to set it up, then Riot thinks it's up to them to help them get it started. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
So Riot creates one, goes to pretty absurd lengths to make absolutely sure it's independent except for the fact that they're the ones that pay for everything upfront, and then everyone is like "wow you gotta wonder about the psychology of such an action". | ||
Gahlo
United States34966 Posts
On June 06 2017 00:34 GrandInquisitor wrote: Like, if the players wanted to start a player's union without Riot, they could have done so at any point in the last five years. Or ten years, if you count other esports. But it never happened. So Riot creates one, goes to pretty absurd lengths to make absolutely sure it's independent except for the fact that they're the ones that pay for everything upfront, and then everyone is like "wow you gotta wonder about the psychology of such an action". The players are fucking dumb. On three seperate occasions, the TSM house almost burned down because they can't use a fucking microwave properly. Almost none of them drive. Some of them dropped out of highschool. Most of them never went to college. I bet some players don't even know why they would need a union. Look at CS:GO. The players had an option to have a regular league that would have made them more money like League does, but they had a hissyfit and veto'd it. The players probably wouldn't make a union and if they did they'd have nobody to turn to but Riot or the teams anyway to get it done properly. So the options are "that seems kinda sketchy until they have complete control over it", "they have it, but it sucks and doesn't do anything for them", and "they have 0 bargaining power and will get reamed every chance they get." | ||
Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19553 Posts
On June 03 2017 18:33 PrinceXizor wrote: in 2014 the NFL (the most owner/league focused of the big three) made about 12 Billion. We know how much was shared because of the Green Bay Packers, who release said info as the only publicly owned team. the rev share total works out to about 7.2 Billion for 2014. So the NFL kept ~40% of revenue. This was during the transition from non profit to for profit. Salary Cap was 133 Million per team that year, which would work out to 4.256 Billion if every team spent at cap. (which they did not) So it looks like riot took the NFL proportions and used those. Though the NFL is the greediest of sports leagues. i am wary about Riot fronting the money to create a players union. how much will they be influencing that union. because once the union is founded, they are at odds with it in negotiations. But im overwhelmingly pro labor and pro union in these types of situations. As for the revenue. It's important to note that NFL teams keep Local Revenue (tickets concessions etc team sponsorship/partnership). Something that is a lot harder to come by for LCS teams. I have a few comments to clarify the difference between the NFL and the LCS that will make the % seems less insane. In the NFL the players get 48% of revenue, this is regardless of the salary cap (which is just set to 1/30th of 48%) any money the owners don't pay in salary directly is sent to the union who then issues a makeup check to all of the players. Thus the owners (who are like the team owners in this situation) get, basically 52%. Now, Riot in this scenario is kind of like the league, but it is actually more like the broadcast partners (NBC, CBS, Fox) which don't have explicit revenue share agreements, but instead make money from their broadcasts. Most of them actually don't make that much on the NFL, but keep it because it is basically a revenue-neutral (with upside) way of getting eyeballs onto their sunday night programming. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 05 2017 10:32 PrinceXizor wrote: I mean thats the stance yeah. but like... A. Thats a hope and expectation not a reality yet. B. Solely financial control, or all control? C. When something gets jump started by money you gotta wonder about the psychology of being indebted to riot when it comes to earnest negotiations about it. it WILL affect negotiations early on. and early negotiations are the important ones because you have to fight for every inch past that. And with imports, players are exceptionally disposable in case of strike, while teams and riot especially have absolute authority with lock outs. I think it's very gullible. | ||
nimdil
Poland3743 Posts
On June 05 2017 13:08 JimmiC wrote: It's funny how now a days corporations are like the Russians of the 90a. Always the villains! Even when they do good things so many people assume it's for evil reasons You apparently missed whole Cyberpunk genre. | ||
ScarPe
Germany392 Posts
this will result in teams taking the whole thing a lot more serious and take the prefessionalism of LoL esports to another level. they hope it can become similar to the Korean szene. Maybe they even hope to get some really talented korean players over to the NA szene. just to step up the overall skill level. this "shit" failed in SC2. at some point there were korean players all over the world, getting those tournament spots over the "hometown favorites". that is not a good thing for the viewercounts. | ||
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