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yn01_
Canada149 Posts
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Kroc.
Peru95 Posts
On June 12 2008 19:42 yn01_ wrote: I was just wondering, if we were somehow able to create blackholes without any danger, what do we gain from it? Hmmm, can't really think of anything, except that if we were (ideally) able to create large enough black holes so that they don't evaporate quickly, perhaps we could study some of their properties, such as the radiation that they emit. Oh, and that would most likely give Hawking a Nobel Prize. | ||
Aerox
Malaysia1213 Posts
On June 12 2008 19:42 yn01_ wrote: I was just wondering, if we were somehow able to create blackholes without any danger, what do we gain from it? Obviously, a Terran Mothership. | ||
betaben
681 Posts
On June 12 2008 19:42 yn01_ wrote: I was just wondering, if we were somehow able to create blackholes without any danger, what do we gain from it? measuring the properties of the decay/production can tell you a lot about a quantum theory of gravity. This is very important because as yet, there is no really good theory to do that. It would lead the way to a successful (and testable) Grand Unified Theory. If you could be sure they are black holes... | ||
Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
The LHR destroying the entire universe, lol... Yeah, you never know if some previously never observed principle will destroy the universe. But any activity could trigger that, in theory. | ||
QuanticHawk
United States32018 Posts
On June 12 2008 19:42 yn01_ wrote: I was just wondering, if we were somehow able to create blackholes without any danger, what do we gain from it? Street cred, money, bitches This thread reminds me of the intro from HL1, where you KNOW something bad is about to happen | ||
quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On June 12 2008 18:07 betaben wrote: to the scared people: hey guys! bear in mind that the same physicists that say it's safe are the ones who brought you the concept of the black hole too. They know more about their hypothetical model that they created than your fear of the unknown will tell you about something you've made up in your head because you don't really know what they're talking about. do you think just because you're scared of things you don't understand allows you to know more about the model they created? hell, some physicists believe black holes don't actually form completely. Why do you believe them when they tell you scary things, but not when they tell you it'll be ok? I sometimes think people just like to live in fear. Please also bear in mind that the same physicists that say there is a small chance of the end of the world-whatever happening are the same ones that would say there is a small chance of your next fart ending the world. so if you think small chances - no matter how small - are not worth taking, I'm expecting you to never fart. or breathe. or do anything. in fact, don't even do that. that. ffs, what makes you think you know better than sciencists? yeah, it involves you if the experiment would kill you. but leave the decision making to the politicians and scientists, they are there for that reason, aren't they? you put them there. and obviously they are a lot more competent at that than any of you are. you could draw a paralel to the politicians... they make decisions like these every day, and a lot more risky at that. take for an example the usa, bush etc. there's far more probability that he's the end of life on earth rather than LHC. yes, I am a physics senior, so what! | ||
betaben
681 Posts
On June 12 2008 21:15 Kong John wrote: wouldnt even a very small balck hole tear the earth appart? so even if it just a size of a fist i could steal do some serious damage. theoretical black holes are predicted by Hawking to evaporate over time. small ones evaporate very fast. also, the event horizon of a classical black hole is proportional to the mass, so very small back holes would have a tiny sphere of influence, if they stayed around long enough to affect any nearby particles. particles outside the event horizon probably see a greatly reduced gravitational force anyway. But at that scale, scientists don't know how gravity would act given the quantum nature at small distances and the lack of a satisfactory quantum gravity theory. | ||
0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
On June 12 2008 18:07 betaben wrote: to the scared people: hey guys! bear in mind that the same physicists that say it's safe are the ones who brought you the concept of the black hole too. They know more about their hypothetical model that they created than your fear of the unknown will tell you about something you've made up in your head because you don't really know what they're talking about. do you think just because you're scared of things you don't understand allows you to know more about the model they created? hell, some physicists believe black holes don't actually form completely. Why do you believe them when they tell you scary things, but not when they tell you it'll be ok? I sometimes think people just like to live in fear. Please also bear in mind that the same physicists that say there is a small chance of the end of the world-whatever happening are the same ones that would say there is a small chance of your next fart ending the world. so if you think small chances - no matter how small - are not worth taking, I'm expecting you to never fart. or breathe. or do anything. in fact, don't even do that. Yeah, well put. Quoting Wikipedia article: The risk of a doomsday scenario was indicated by Sir Martin Rees, with respect to the RHIC, as being at least a 1 in 50,000,000 chance.[24] and by Professor Frank Close, with regards to (dangerous) strangelets, that "the chance of this happening is like you winning the major prize on the lottery 3 weeks in succession; the problem is that people believe it is possible to win the lottery 3 weeks in succession." | ||
betaben
681 Posts
On June 12 2008 21:36 quirinus wrote: that. ffs, what makes you think you know better than sciencists? yeah, it involves you if the experiment would kill you. but leave the decision making to the politicians and scientists, they are there for that reason, aren't they? you put them there. and obviously they are a lot more competent at that than any of you are. you could draw a paralel to the politicians... they make decisions like these every day, and a lot more risky at that. take for an example the usa, bush etc. there's far more probability that he's the end of life on earth rather than LHC. yes, I am a physics senior, so what! I'm a experimental particle physicist working at the precursor to the LHC, the Tevatron. Data that makes decisions about the LHC comes from the experiment I generate results from. I may work on the LHC in a year or so. Does that qualify me as a scientist? | ||
chiflutz
Romania1025 Posts
On June 12 2008 21:46 betaben wrote: I'm a experimental particle physicist working at the precursor to the LHC, the Tevatron. Data that makes decisions about the LHC comes from the experiment I generate results from. I may work on the LHC in a year or so. Does that qualify me as a scientist? /pwnt. | ||
Capulet
Canada686 Posts
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garmule2
United States376 Posts
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Kroc.
Peru95 Posts
Owned? hahaha, no. If anything, quirinus was supporting what betaben said. I wonder how betaben communicates with people at Fermilab if he can't even distinguish that | ||
Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Bub
United States3518 Posts
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
On June 12 2008 19:42 yn01_ wrote: I was just wondering, if we were somehow able to create blackholes without any danger, what do we gain from it? The ultimate trashcan. | ||
ocoini
648 Posts
Nuclear Physicist Walter Wagner expresses his legitimate concerns and lawsuit to delay the turning on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN. Earth may be in danger if the LHC proceeds without further investigation. Radio show | ||
Kroc.
Peru95 Posts
On June 13 2008 00:35 ocoini wrote: I don't know if this has been posted since I dident read all comments. Nuclear Physicist Walter Wagner expresses his legitimate concerns and lawsuit to delay the turning on the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN. Earth may be in danger if the LHC proceeds without further investigation. Damn it! I had not heard Walter Wagner talk before, just read some of the bullshit he has written on the Internet. People like this are so INCREDIBLY ANNOYING! He has a minor in physics and yet he thinks he can argue with the world's best physicists. I found it funny before, but after listening to him and realizing how seriously he takes himself, I just despise him. Fucking loser. | ||
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