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On June 09 2008 05:04 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2008 04:49 Mindcrime wrote:On June 09 2008 04:30 B1nary wrote: It'll be funny (and painful) if Hawkings was actually wrong. That would be like the biggest self-ownage ever ^^ Who the fuck is "Hawkings"? Was your entire purpose of posting this to point out that the name was misspelled?
Yep
Can you also explain what your problem with the picture is? Is it that the poster should have realized you already knew who Hawking was, or that the words were fail?
Both
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8882, do you really believe that we're all going to be sucked into a black hole??
no seriously, sucked..... in.... a black hole. You do know that black holes are things that are very heavy yes?(huge mass which is why nothing escapes the gravity field yadiyadiya,) And that the protons are like what? not so very heavy? :p
PS: I calculated a bit and realized that earth would need to have a diameter of 8 mm in order to be a black hole. dunno why i did this:p
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On June 09 2008 05:12 DwmC_Foefen wrote: 8882, do you really believe that we're all going to be sucked into a black hole??
no seriously, sucked..... in.... a black hole. You do know that black holes are things that are very heavy yes?(huge mass which is why nothing escapes the gravity field yadiyadiya,) And that the protons are like what? not so very heavy? :p
PS: I calculated a bit and realized that earth would need to have a diameter of 8 mm in order to be a black hole. dunno why i did this:p I think you are missing the point of why there is a fear of black holes forming.
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yeah
so am I
with the limited amount of matter smashing together
and the highly unlikely chance of a black hole forming, where is the danger?
any black hole that forms should be tiny
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If you seriously think there is any chance of a black hole "gobbling up earth in a chain reaction" you should be shot. ESPECIALLY if you have not had any formal teaching in physics. I haven't either, but I've read enough to know that black holes usually form from a mass several times the size of our sun. This would result in a relatively tiny black hole. SEVERAL TIMES THE SIZE OF OUR SUN.
Now if it isn't made naturally like that, it must be "crushed" together by a force other than gravity. These would be really tiny, and would pretty much evaporate in a nanosecond due to Hawking Radiation.
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On June 09 2008 05:39 sith wrote: If you seriously think there is any chance of a black hole "gobbling up earth in a chain reaction" you should be shot. ESPECIALLY if you have not had any formal teaching in physics. I haven't either, but I've read enough to know that black holes usually form from a mass several times the size of our sun. This would result in a relatively tiny black hole. SEVERAL TIMES THE SIZE OF OUR SUN.
Now if it isn't made naturally like that, it must be "crushed" together by a force other than gravity. These would be really tiny, and would pretty much evaporate in a nanosecond due to Hawking Radiation.
People are starting to exaggerate again so I'd like to complain.
You should be 'shot'? I'm sure that was an intentional overstatement, but still, nobody has a 100% firm grasp on black holes, so it's unfair to expect the average forum goer to be comfortable talking about what is generally accepted about black holes by the scientific community.
Being mad that people are complaining without the formal training is all well and good, but when the issue is whether or not the topic will severely affect the lives of those without the formal training, it's understandable if they are still interested in participating.
The idea that black holes 'usually form from a mass several times the size of our sun' automatically means a smaller one can't be formed in the laboratory? I hope you are right, but I don't think this is any kind of self-evident truth.
Has it been proven to a reasonable degree of certainty that tiny black holes will evaporate? There certainly is a theory behind it, but I'm not willing to wager on it right now.
edit: I'm not saying your scientific beliefs are wrong, but just that you should consider being more polite to those with less knowledge than yourself.
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To 8882:
You assumed wrongly. I am not getting my PhD in my country, but in a "first-world" country and, actually, the professors I am working with are famous string theorists :s. And no, I am not going to scan my diploma and post it here, mainly because I am still working on getting it. Although, on a second thought, perhaps in this crazy world of ours in which you believe black holes will form at the LHC and destroy us all, I might be able to build a time machine and travel to the future! Will start working on that and if I succeed, I will post the scan, ok?
I know what I said in my other post and on this one might come across as arrogant, but I wrote it in that way on purpose. I just wanted you to stop all the stupid things you are saying, but apparently you won't. Again, I will not take the time to explain everything that is already explained in detail in several blogs (google Motl, Asymptotia; those blogs are written by very good physicists).
Finally, if you think that the reward we get from these kind of experiments is useless and crappy, you are beyond any shadow of doubt, very stupid. You are able to visit this website and post your bullshit thanks to CERN carrying out experiments like this decades ago
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On June 09 2008 05:48 Kroc. wrote:Finally, if you think that the reward we get from these kind of experiments is useless and crappy, you are beyond any shadow of doubt, very stupid. You are able to visit this website and post your bullshit thanks to CERN carrying out experiments like this decades ago This seems very similar to the type of statement I criticized in my previous post. You aren't wrong for feeling that this kind of research is important, but it isn't as obvious as you think.
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Walter L. Wagner and Luis Sancho....
Watch out for these two crackpots (who have no idea what they are talking about) in future.
I've been looking forward to seeing what happens at CERN for some time now. Roll on the Netherdrakes.
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This is total crap, there is no risk of making a black hole. They don't know what particles they will get.... but they DO know they won't make a duckbilled platypus, a tauren marine, a large KFC bucket, Keira Knightley or A BLACK HOLE.
CERN scientists > your made-up bollocks I've been to CERN and the place is awesome, they do the sort of research that if anything will save the world.
What you are doing is just fear-mongering at it's worst. It's like saying maybe we should all stand the fuck still, in case moving causes a chain reaction between the particles in our body and that of the atmosphere resulting in the end of the world. In other words... total bollocks.
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On June 09 2008 05:51 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2008 05:48 Kroc. wrote:Finally, if you think that the reward we get from these kind of experiments is useless and crappy, you are beyond any shadow of doubt, very stupid. You are able to visit this website and post your bullshit thanks to CERN carrying out experiments like this decades ago This seems very similar to the type of statement I criticized in my previous post. You aren't wrong for feeling that this kind of research is important, but it isn't as obvious as you think.
True, it might not be obvious to everyone, so let me clarify that point. Every time one of these experiments is built, not only fundamental knowledge is pushed forward, but so is technology. Many parts of the experiments require new techniques to be developed, which results in sometimes in unexpected technological discoveries. Not to mention that the mere fact that a machine like the LHC can be constructed is stunning. Since I referred to the Internet being born at CERN, I should also mention that the people there are developing the Worldwide LHC Computing Grid, which I have heard from some friends might be key to the future of data transmission (if anyone knows more about this, please let us know, because I am pretty bad with computers )
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.... could they atleast wait until SC2 comes out?
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The US should continue its efforts to boss around the Middle East and leave Europe alone.
on a serious note, scientists > lawyers.
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To me even a "small chance" of destroying the Earth. Its something we should take an second look at
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On June 09 2008 06:21 ilj.psa wrote:To me even a "small chance" of destroying the Earth. Its something we should take an second look at What if that chance was infinitesimally smaller than say... our Sun going nova? We can't stop and worry about every possible thing that might kill all life on Earth...
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On June 09 2008 05:56 Klive5ive wrote: This is total crap, there is no risk of making a black hole. They don't know what particles they will get.... but they DO know they won't make a duckbilled platypus, a tauren marine, a large KFC bucket, Keira Knightley or A BLACK HOLE.
CERN scientists > your made-up bollocks I've been to CERN and the place is awesome, they do the sort of research that if anything will save the world.
What you are doing is just fear-mongering at it's worst. It's like saying maybe we should all stand the fuck still, in case moving causes a chain reaction between the particles in our body and that of the atmosphere resulting in the end of the world. In other words... total bollocks. <3 u
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hm i can't tell if youre being sarcastic , the last 5 words did it for me. But if you're serious i guess you got a point but there are many other problems that may result bad. The probability of this working 100% correct is very low since experiments needs to be tested many times to get it to perfection. So the machine at first may be potentially flawed since this experiments never had been done and the chances of not necesarily creating a black hole, but something going wrong are relatively high, like any other experiment in human history
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8882 no im not a scientist (yet ^^) but i've read alot about cern and have followed news articles for about 2 years now so i've been familiar with this issue about the whole blackhole thing for a while now. It kinda bothered me at first until i did some more research on it and found a really really in-depth article on how it would evaporate and why and so on. Anyways im not gonna try to find it again but im sure you could find some good info on it using google. So here's a really interesting TED talk regarding the cern collider presented by someone that works at the RHIC for those who are interested, the guy's pretty funny too.
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/253
enjoy.
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Ridiculous. A lawsuit to stop this experiment should be backed up with actual data, calcuations or scientific reasoning of some kind.
This is just fear of the unknown. They're messing around with atoms and lots of energy... black hole, right?
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I actually was just thinking that the guys suing them wanted money.
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