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On December 11 2016 05:33 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. idra doesn't like SC2, that doesn't mean its a bad game. And you're ignoring that thousands upon thousands of people are playing the game right now. Maybe they dont like the game as an esport, but its still a great game overall, best RTS in the last 10 years, and will probably be the best rts of the next 10.
Except that C&C 3 is about ten times more interesting to play/watch then sc2
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On December 11 2016 22:29 No Swear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:33 lestye wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. idra doesn't like SC2, that doesn't mean its a bad game. And you're ignoring that thousands upon thousands of people are playing the game right now. Maybe they dont like the game as an esport, but its still a great game overall, best RTS in the last 10 years, and will probably be the best rts of the next 10. Except that C&C 3 is about ten times more interesting to play/watch then sc2
according to you. i'd say RA3 is slightly more "pure fun" than SC2, however, publisher/studio support is so horrific i play SC2. SC2 is extremely well supported and it made a difference in my decision to adopt SC2 and move away from RA3.
Greg Black was on the C&C3 and RA3 teams and guess who is a game designer on the SC2 team now? Tim Morten was on the C&C team and guess who is the lead producer guy for SC2?
i mean.. "Co Op Commanders" is basically C&C Generals Single Player Version. The Commander Powers of SC2 Co-op are basically Generals Powers and RA3 Suepr Powers. SC2 has Tim Morten's finger prints all over it and the game is all the better for it.
SC2 is pretty damn good man.. and furthermore, the game is in good hands.
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On December 11 2016 22:29 No Swear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:33 lestye wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. idra doesn't like SC2, that doesn't mean its a bad game. And you're ignoring that thousands upon thousands of people are playing the game right now. Maybe they dont like the game as an esport, but its still a great game overall, best RTS in the last 10 years, and will probably be the best rts of the next 10. Except that C&C 3 is about ten times more interesting to play/watch then sc2 Don't present your opinion as a fact please )
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On December 12 2016 00:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 22:29 No Swear wrote:On December 11 2016 05:33 lestye wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. idra doesn't like SC2, that doesn't mean its a bad game. And you're ignoring that thousands upon thousands of people are playing the game right now. Maybe they dont like the game as an esport, but its still a great game overall, best RTS in the last 10 years, and will probably be the best rts of the next 10. Except that C&C 3 is about ten times more interesting to play/watch then sc2 according to you. i'd say RA3 is slightly more "pure fun" than SC2, however, publisher/studio support is so horrific i play SC2. SC2 is extremely well supported and it made a difference in my decision to adopt SC2 and move away from RA3. Greg Black was on the C&C3 and RA3 teams and guess who is a game designer on the SC2 team now? Tim Morten was on the C&C team and guess who is the lead producer guy for SC2? i mean.. "Co Op Commanders" is basically C&C Generals Single Player Version. The Commander Powers of SC2 Co-op are basically Generals Powers and RA3 Suepr Powers. SC2 has Tim Morten's finger prints all over it and the game is all the better for it. SC2 is pretty damn good man.. and furthermore, the game is in good hands.
I have always thought why you worship so much at Blizzard?, it is quite annoying, and SC2 in fact is the best RTS by far in the last 10 years of crappy RTS games.
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On December 11 2016 22:29 No Swear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:33 lestye wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. idra doesn't like SC2, that doesn't mean its a bad game. And you're ignoring that thousands upon thousands of people are playing the game right now. Maybe they dont like the game as an esport, but its still a great game overall, best RTS in the last 10 years, and will probably be the best rts of the next 10. Except that C&C 3 is about ten times more interesting to play/watch then sc2
Yeah dood, that's why CnC3 did so well, and why its competitive ladder and esports scene is the envy of the world.
On December 12 2016 03:55 palexhur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 00:08 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On December 11 2016 22:29 No Swear wrote:On December 11 2016 05:33 lestye wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. idra doesn't like SC2, that doesn't mean its a bad game. And you're ignoring that thousands upon thousands of people are playing the game right now. Maybe they dont like the game as an esport, but its still a great game overall, best RTS in the last 10 years, and will probably be the best rts of the next 10. Except that C&C 3 is about ten times more interesting to play/watch then sc2 according to you. i'd say RA3 is slightly more "pure fun" than SC2, however, publisher/studio support is so horrific i play SC2. SC2 is extremely well supported and it made a difference in my decision to adopt SC2 and move away from RA3. Greg Black was on the C&C3 and RA3 teams and guess who is a game designer on the SC2 team now? Tim Morten was on the C&C team and guess who is the lead producer guy for SC2? i mean.. "Co Op Commanders" is basically C&C Generals Single Player Version. The Commander Powers of SC2 Co-op are basically Generals Powers and RA3 Suepr Powers. SC2 has Tim Morten's finger prints all over it and the game is all the better for it. SC2 is pretty damn good man.. and furthermore, the game is in good hands. I have always thought why you worship so much at Blizzard?, it is quite annoying, and SC2 in fact is the best RTS by far in the last 10 years of crappy RTS games. Because if you like RTS, there is one company that actually puts out quality RTSs and that's something praiseworthy.(Not to say that we shouldnt criticize it) If SC2 did not exist, it would look extremely grim to fans of the genre.
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came here expecting discussion about new game, and what i see is the old is sc2 a success or not ? xD
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Hm, not sure what it is. Maybe wc4?
I just don't expect them to release a completely new game IP so soon after Overwatch. Should be a sequel.
Starting to work on wc4 seems like a good time, maybe it could be released in 4 or 5 years. By then sc2 will have been around for more than 10 years and people will be ready for the switch.
Although a new MMORPG was always on the horizon, maybe it's finally time, after Titan has been scrapped. Would make more sense if they need people for first person.
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On December 12 2016 06:05 GizmoPT wrote: came here expecting discussion about new game, and what i see is the old is sc2 a success or not ? xD That horse has been dead a long time ago, along with 'dead game' discussions, but like a bad penny it keeps coming up.
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An Overwatch RTS could be really cool. The brief shots of the Omnic War in the Bastion short was breathtaking, and it would be interesting to see it fleshed out into a full game. Then again, a full sci-fi setting like Starcraft or a full fantasy setting like Warcraft gives them the most flexibility with game design, so perhaps a near-future setting for Overwatch would have a few more lore-based limitations, though this might not end up being the case since the character and gameplay design in Overwatch proper is already very creative and varied.
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On December 12 2016 06:10 Musicus wrote: Hm, not sure what it is. Maybe wc4?
Would love to see it, as unlikely as it may be.
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On December 11 2016 05:58 phantomlancer23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2016 05:21 aQuaSC wrote:On December 11 2016 03:17 phantomlancer23 wrote:On December 11 2016 02:57 SlammerIV wrote:On December 11 2016 01:54 phantomlancer23 wrote: Dustin failed in hots and sc2 i dont expect anything good from him nor i think they ll give him anything difficult and important again. Oh come, failed at sc2 is quite hyperbolic, sc2 is one of the best selling rts games of all time, still has a large player base after 7 years, has a solid esport scene and is still making tons of money for Blizzard. Calling sc2 a failure in really any respect is rather silly. Well to do some good selling with blizzards logo on a game isnt something.Nobody in korea cared about sc2 from the beginning and even idra said its a bad game, if the game was good why everyone plays bw now?Isnt this an indication that the game failed.Even as a single player games story was mediocre and childish. Not many people would play BW in Korea if the BW pros stopped playing. No you are wrong the pros came back to bw because people wanted bw they followed peoples demand.
BW is popular in Korea because everyone played it back in the day and it past on TV and all, doesn't mean it's a better game, and there is still a lot more people playing SC2 in the world in general. If I go to COD MW2 right now I can find a game within 1 minute that doesn't mean it is particularly better then any other COD game, its just that there is nostalgia about it.
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On December 12 2016 10:48 eviltomahawk wrote: An Overwatch RTS could be really cool. The brief shots of the Omnic War in the Bastion short was breathtaking, and it would be interesting to see it fleshed out into a full game. Then again, a full sci-fi setting like Starcraft or a full fantasy setting like Warcraft gives them the most flexibility with game design, so perhaps a near-future setting for Overwatch would have a few more lore-based limitations, though this might not end up being the case since the character and gameplay design in Overwatch proper is already very creative and varied. As awesome that would sound, with how long RTS takes to make, I think it would be kind of a spit in the face towards the communities that will want a new game for the next generation. But then again, with starcraft focus on macro, warcrafts focus on micro, maybe there is a new emphasis in an RTS that they could explore, so they wouldnt alienate fans of the other rts franchises. (Like putting heroes, experience, neutrals in Starcraft 2 or 3 would completely alienate Starcraft 1 fans, even if you can make a great game out of it)
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I really really want a warcraft 4 at some point. Or Starcraft Ghost
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A Diablo themed souls style game is the most awesome thing I didn't realise I wanted before today.
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And here it comes again! Every freaking thread! An everlasting discussion of SC2 being a failure or not with mandatory comparison with C&C! I love you guys! I always liked tiberian dawn and Ra1 (Ra2 was fun in multiplayer), but overall c&c games only delivered in terms of atmosphere/story. While BW (and SC2) triggered completely different feeling. The moment you play you first 1v1 you are just hooked up (btw something similar i felt with WC2). You fall in love with it.
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What's up with ppl weird obsession with WC4 D4 CAC4... I mean ppl complain about bazilion CoD version but here we go we want more numbers... honestly even name Warcraft 4 and Diablo 4 sounds retarded enough to throws me away...
Like yeah oh there is WarCraft... wait you want from me to buy 4 different games?! Nope...
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On December 12 2016 16:14 PharaphobiaSC wrote: What's up with ppl weird obsession with WC4 D4 CAC4... I mean ppl complain about bazilion CoD version but here we go we want more numbers... honestly even name Warcraft 4 and Diablo 4 sounds retarded enough to throws me away...
Like yeah oh there is WarCraft... wait you want from me to buy 4 different games?! Nope... except the different blizz rts games are actually completely different games that are worth playing separately. the main complaint about cod is that they just release the same basic game again every year, with minor tweaks.
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I wish sc2 would get the same work put into like dota2 got :/ new hud, rework models, new animation are all side notes to the huge gameplay changes
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On December 12 2016 12:26 lestye wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 10:48 eviltomahawk wrote: An Overwatch RTS could be really cool. The brief shots of the Omnic War in the Bastion short was breathtaking, and it would be interesting to see it fleshed out into a full game. Then again, a full sci-fi setting like Starcraft or a full fantasy setting like Warcraft gives them the most flexibility with game design, so perhaps a near-future setting for Overwatch would have a few more lore-based limitations, though this might not end up being the case since the character and gameplay design in Overwatch proper is already very creative and varied. As awesome that would sound, with how long RTS takes to make, I think it would be kind of a spit in the face towards the communities that will want a new game for the next generation. But then again, with starcraft focus on macro, warcrafts focus on micro, maybe there is a new emphasis in an RTS that they could explore, so they wouldnt alienate fans of the other rts franchises. (Like putting heroes, experience, neutrals in Starcraft 2 or 3 would completely alienate Starcraft 1 fans, even if you can make a great game out of it) The interesting thing is that neutral creeps, shops, and inventories were planned features sometime during the development for SC1, but they were scrapped along with a lot of other fancy features to create the leaner, more refined game that we ended up getting.
It will still be interesting to see where they would hypothetically take WC4. SC1 and WC3 both took different directions from the WC2 formula. As you've mentioned, SC1 became macro-based, with large-scale engagements and low unit durability. WC3 became micro-based, with a much smaller scale and very high unit durability plus a focus on spells. Perhaps WC4 could be somewhere in between where there is still an emphasis on heroes and spells but with games on a much larger scale than in WC3.
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On December 12 2016 16:14 PharaphobiaSC wrote: What's up with ppl weird obsession with WC4 D4 CAC4... I mean ppl complain about bazilion CoD version but here we go we want more numbers... honestly even name Warcraft 4 and Diablo 4 sounds retarded enough to throws me away...
Like yeah oh there is WarCraft... wait you want from me to buy 4 different games?! Nope... ???? What are you talking about? The last warcraft rts was in 2002. That was before the first call of Duty. There have been THIRTEEN Call of Duty games from then to now. Sequels aren't bad, but rushed sequels where they don't change anything is bad.
On December 12 2016 16:25 graNite wrote: I wish sc2 would get the same work put into like dota2 got :/ new hud, rework models, new animation are all side notes to the huge gameplay changes To be fair, you're kinda ignoring that Dota 2 had to deal with really bad stuff for many years. Like the really really bad Slardar model.
Is the Starcraft 2 HUD as bad as the Dota 2 hud? I never quite compared them before.
But yea, Dota 2 is a different game. Like they kinda embrace those huge radical changes new units, new heroes, but I don't think that's what people want for an RTS, they want a good balanced game that stands the test of time.
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