That said this TI might be boring if Secret just stomps everyone.
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Andre
Slovenia3515 Posts
That said this TI might be boring if Secret just stomps everyone. | ||
ForTehDarkseid
8139 Posts
Easy predictions - bottom 4: NaVi, NAR, Vega/MVP 2, MVP 1. Four chinese teams top8 | ||
Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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andyrau
13015 Posts
ehome cdec nb are all squarely in top 10. cdec and ehome have the most potential to make it into the top 5 i think. fnatic archon/nar empire col are all overvalued in this powerrank, especially the latter two i think the mvp duo are going to place much higher than you predict, and mvp.p stand a good chance of making it out of wildcard but it's hard to say. | ||
MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On July 11 2015 04:00 andyrau wrote: do you not pay any attention to the chinese scene ehome cdec nb are all squarely in top 10. cdec and ehome have the most potential to make it into the top 5 i think. fnatic archon/nar empire col are all overvalued in this powerrank, especially the latter two i think the mvp duo are going to place much higher than you predict, and mvp.p stand a good chance of making it out of wildcard but it's hard to say. I'm glad this post has started some discussion across everyone! I'll try to defend some of my choices, but there are some good things you all have pointed out. 1. I'm probably too high on Team Archon. I think you can move them as far down as 16th and I'd accept that ranking no questions asked, but I think they are better than some teams present. 2. I'm really down on Newbee, and I think for good reason. A list of their last few matches is as follows: 2-1 loss to HGT 1-0 loss to EHome 1-0 win over C9 1-0 loss to Empire 1-0 loss to VG 2-0 loss to Fnatic 2-0 win over iG 2-1 loss to LGD 0-1 loss to CDEC It doesn't really inspire much confidence in them. Maybe I"m a bit skewed against some of the poor performance of the Chinese teams in tournaments since all they play is top tier competition (mostly), but at the same time it's hard to find space for some Chinese teams in the top 10, especially with the good recent performances of Virtus Pro and Empire. If you put those two teams in the top 10, then you've got Secret / EG / VG / iG / LGD / VP / Empire in the top 10 on pretty much everyone's list, and the remaining spots are a dogfight between C9, Fnatic, EHome, Newbee, CDEC, and complexity. They can't all be top 10, and China's field after the big three is pretty weak compared to previous years. 3. I think ELO is pretty good metric, but it has trouble with the small sample size of some of the teams. I don't think the information ELO provides us should be discarded, particularly when that information is counter to our own expectations or biases. I think Noxville's article is a great place to start for analyzing what might happen come The International. What would everyone's personal power rankings be? Also, on an unrelated note, does anyone know when the group stage games start? I know the actual tournament starts on August 3rd at Key Arena but I have to imagine they're doing some sort of group stage but there's no information I can find on the website or liquidpedia. | ||
bumwithagun
United States153 Posts
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On July 11 2015 08:03 MetalMercury wrote: Also, on an unrelated note, does anyone know when the group stage games start? I know the actual tournament starts on August 3rd at Key Arena but I have to imagine they're doing some sort of group stage but there's no information I can find on the website or liquidpedia. It would be silly if there are no group stages, but the information doesn't seem readily available, also Chobra announcing that he's hosting the group stage would imply that there is one as well. The only thing I could find is it starting on July 29th, from this Reddit thread. The thread gives no source, so it might just assume that the groups will take 3 days like last year. | ||
WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 11 2015 12:49 bumwithagun wrote: I also agree that its hard to see china sneaking in more than 2 in the top 8....but i have no doubt at least one of the chinese teams will show up big....problem is figuring out which one. I was hoping to see LGD blow CDEC out of the water last night but that didnt happen TT Would not be surprised to see 3-4 Chinese teams in the top 8, if you're relying on VP, Na'vi and Fnatic to eliminate them. | ||
synapse
China13814 Posts
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DucK-
Singapore11444 Posts
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On July 12 2015 14:21 DucK- wrote: I think fnatic would do badly. Pretty certain actually. They don't look good enough. I think Fnatic deserve to be ranked that high because the non-Invite teams look bad enough to be ranked that low. Newbee will probably finish poorly. Na'vi, CDEC and coL could probably do some surprising things that mess with the main event seeding. But 9/10 of the invite teams look at least strong enough to be the top 10. | ||
Reson
530 Posts
I know people are going to have personal biases but no matter how little you think of SEA, Hot6 is at least 16th. They are already in the actual event. The only teams that can place 17th and 18th are the wild card teams. - Putting Complexity and Team Archon ahead of Cdec and Newbee on a LAN is a reach regardless of form. This year TI is forcefully much more open than last few years with the biggest patch in terms of content in a long time right before TI. Would have been ideal if the items are eased in over the year so they could be adjusted (if needed) but I guess they couldn't do that until they dialled back the disastrous Comeback Mechanic. Hopefully we don't have whiners come out of the wood work if a team not named Secret, EG or Navi finds a super strong way to use the new items and interactions and "abuse" it to win. | ||
rabidch
United States20287 Posts
On July 12 2015 14:21 DucK- wrote: I think fnatic would do badly. Pretty certain actually. They don't look good enough. it depends on their bootcamp in europe because it could shape their entire playstyle to be better or worse depending on whatever draft insanity mushi concludes from it. skill+draft-wise they're pretty bad but they're in the same boat as ti3 where it could come together to make a string of upsets | ||
DucK-
Singapore11444 Posts
On July 12 2015 15:27 WolfintheSheep wrote: I think Fnatic deserve to be ranked that high because the non-Invite teams look bad enough to be ranked that low. Newbee will probably finish poorly. Na'vi, CDEC and coL could probably do some surprising things that mess with the main event seeding. But 9/10 of the invite teams look at least strong enough to be the top 10. I would favour cdec navi and ehome over them. I think they would struggle for top 10. Probably end up 11-12. That's my prediction and opinion we'll see about that! | ||
pNRG
United States333 Posts
Even if I disagree with some of these rankings (coL is WAY too high, but that might be my personal bias), reading this blog is getting me excited for TI... thinking I might have to schedule some vacation from Aug 3 - Aug 8 B-) | ||
MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
On July 14 2015 00:16 pNRG wrote: coL has the basic team lineup they've had throughout much of their moba/HoN history. Can't wait to see how those guys do going up against the best in the world at Dota2 in THE premier ($15m+) tournament. Even if I disagree with some of these rankings (coL is WAY too high, but that might be my personal bias), reading this blog is getting me excited for TI... thinking I might have to schedule some vacation from Aug 3 - Aug 8 B-) I'm glad! I wasn't trying to generate agreement as much as hype. I honestly don't know what to expect from complexity, literally every game of theirs I've watched since TI 5 qualifiers started has been an absolute stomp. I think they're one of the legitimate picks for surprise of the tournament, along with Fnatic and Virtus Pro. As for SEA, this is a power ranking not an expected finish. Regardless of the fact that they can't finish in 17th place, I don't think Hot6 is better than any of the teams above them in the power rankings. But that's personal opinion! There is of course the potential for every team to do well, which is why we watch. In the end, I'm just excited for some super dota; hopefully the best we've ever seen! | ||
nedstark22
India4 Posts
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Caladbolg
2855 Posts
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On July 14 2015 13:17 Caladbolg wrote: I'd only really agree with the top 2. Everything else is way too wonky for a consensus prediction. From 3 all the way down, teams become unstable - they're either really good (in which case, a prime VG would likely vault into top 2 contention), or hilariously bad (aka uncoordinated). Our flairs reflect this Also I hope that someone will have the "raped by Mushi" sign lol | ||
MetalMercury
United States1161 Posts
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