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Zurich15272 Posts
On March 26 2015 23:00 chroniX wrote: My questions still stands. The french military knew there was no attempt of communication from inside the plane. There was a fighter jet already in the air. Under which circumstances can an european/french jet shoot a normal plane? What if this plane takes course to Paris? I can't answer for France. The German constitutional court however voided a law proposed after 9/11 allowing the chancellor to have a passenger plane shot down. There are no circumstances under which a German fighter may shoot down a passenger plane to answer that part of your question.
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Germanwings and Lufthansa officials basically called it a mass-murder in the recent press conference.
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On March 26 2015 23:04 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 23:00 chroniX wrote: My questions still stands. The french military knew there was no attempt of communication from inside the plane. There was a fighter jet already in the air. Under which circumstances can an european/french jet shoot a normal plane? What if this plane takes course to Paris? I can't answer for France. The German constitutional court however voided a law proposed after 9/11 allowing the chancellor to have a passenger plane shot down. There are no circumstances under which a German fighter may shoot down a passenger plane to answer that part of your question.
French air command can take such a decision ; general in charge has to identify the plane as 'hostile', would then ask for prime minister authorization. President can also take the decision on his own as chief of all French armies.
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wtf what an egoistic human person do you have to be to kill 149 other people beside yourself to have the guts to suicide?
What a fucking coward, he killed so many innocent people, I will never ever understand the actions of suiciding while harming others by doing that
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Northern Ireland22201 Posts
On March 26 2015 23:28 sharkie wrote: wtf what an egoistic human person do you have to be to kill 149 other people beside yourself to have the guts to suicide?
What a fucking coward, he killed so many innocent people, I will never ever understand the actions of suiciding while harming others by doing that with the probable knowledge of all those schoolchildren on board too. hopefully they'll find some indication of why he could have done such a thing
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So this rogue pilot immediately went into action as soon the captain left to go to the bathroom? What if the captain went to the bathroom while they were flying above urban area?
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Those new allegations it was a murder-suicide from a pilot disturb me. Either he went in there with the full intent to kill himself and 150 people on board or he wasn't thinking straight and did it anyways. Makes this even more tragic because it wasn't a mechanical error or weather-related problem it was the pilot himself who was so mentally broken he decided to do this.
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On March 26 2015 22:08 SixStrings wrote:I bet our government is broken hearted about this. If his name were 'Abdul Mohammad', they could use this so much more easily to force even more surveillance down our throats... Or just imagine the tabloid headlines the next day..
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On March 26 2015 23:44 don_kyuhote wrote: So this rogue pilot immediately went into action as soon the captain left to go to the bathroom? What if the captain went to the bathroom while they were flying above urban area? Well, he could have flow to urban area anyways. Who would have stopped him from doing that?
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good lord that's fucking terrifying, even moreso than the thought of a terrorist hijacking a plane. A pilot snapping and doing that is something that would not even register in the minds of most people.
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On March 26 2015 23:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 23:44 don_kyuhote wrote: So this rogue pilot immediately went into action as soon the captain left to go to the bathroom? What if the captain went to the bathroom while they were flying above urban area? Well, he could have flow to urban area anyways. Who would have stopped him from doing that?
I would imagine this causes a lot of air lines to adopt new policy regarding pilots leaving the cock pit. Currenlty, many airlines will typically will have a stewardess position herself between the cockpit door and the seats when a pilot leaves to go the bathroom or something. This is in part due to 9/11, because in at least one of the flights, the pilot went to the bathroom and when he opened the door to come out one of the terrorists slashed his throat.
man this is way more scary and sad than any other crashes
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they just said on the radio that 'friends described him as psychologically unstable' and that he put his pilot training on hold for some time, probably due to mental issues.
edit: and that they are currently raiding his flat in Montabaur.
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Isnt there any way to call the ground outside of the cockpit?
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On March 26 2015 23:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 23:44 don_kyuhote wrote: So this rogue pilot immediately went into action as soon the captain left to go to the bathroom? What if the captain went to the bathroom while they were flying above urban area? Well, he could have flow to urban area anyways. Who would have stopped him from doing that?
Time? Given enough time I am sure the pilot would have been able to break open the door.
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Did they consult medical experts before announcing that he did it on purpose because he wasn't hyperventilating?
It is very convenient for the whole airline business to blame one guy, using only the fact that he seemed to breathe regularly as evidence.
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On March 27 2015 01:07 nkr wrote: Did they consult medical experts before announcing that he did it on purpose because he wasn't hyperventilating?
It is very convenient for the whole airline business to blame one guy, using only the fact that he seemed to breathe regularly as evidence.
They're saying the normal breathing indicates he was not incapacitated for any reason, and that something didn't happen like a terrorist getting in and killing him.
The other reason everyone's saying the murder-suicide thing is that the locking door can only be overriden from inside. So even if by some crazy set of circumstances he had a stroke and fell on the controls to start an extremely controlled descent, there's no chance that he also coincidently fell on the controls that override the door.
It's about as clear cut as you can get. It's really about finding a motive now. Just plain old suicide, terrorism, etc.
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Ok that makes a bit more sense. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
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On March 27 2015 00:42 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 23:50 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On March 26 2015 23:44 don_kyuhote wrote: So this rogue pilot immediately went into action as soon the captain left to go to the bathroom? What if the captain went to the bathroom while they were flying above urban area? Well, he could have flow to urban area anyways. Who would have stopped him from doing that? Time? Given enough time I am sure the pilot would have been able to break open the door.
Theres no way a cockpit door can be opened from the outside if its fully locked. Those doors can handle grenade blasts.
"Those doors are built to withstand hand grenade blasts -- you can't knock them down by beating them with your fists," Desmond Ross, principal of DRA Professional Aviation Services, told CNN.
source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/26/europe/france-germanwings-plane-crash-cockpit-protocol/index.html
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On March 26 2015 21:51 plgElwood wrote: Apperantly there is has not yet been an attempt on hijacking a plane since 9/11 that was prevented by unbreachable door. (The door can not be opened with fireaxe or the service-trolley or anything aboard), but now 2 suicidal Pilots took around 180 people with them to death because they could lock themselves in the cockpit
So the overreaction to the singular event of 9/11 has not only caused Millions paid for reinforced doors, but also cost life.
And how are you quantifying this? Having unbreachable doors doesn't prevent attacks by having the terrorists attempt it and be stuck outside, it prevents attacks by simpler plans involving breaching doors not happening in the first place. You have no way to observe plans that were not formed as a result of it.
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On March 26 2015 23:00 chroniX wrote: My questions still stands. The french military knew there was no attempt of communication from inside the plane. There was a fighter jet already in the air. Under which circumstances can an european/french jet shoot a normal plane? What if this plane takes course to Paris? Afaik, legally, it's down to either the Prime Minister or the President to take the end decision of shooting the plane down ; there are two kinds of shots that can be ordered, "tirs de semonce" (google translates this as "warning shot", that's probably accurate), or destruction shot.
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