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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On September 18 2014 00:35 Darkhorse wrote: I doubt they will ever get to "only three players of that race in code S" low Although I will say they have looked a little weaker recently I'm only worried if soO loses to Stats | ||
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bo1b
Australia12814 Posts
On September 18 2014 00:35 Darkhorse wrote: I doubt they will ever get to "only three players of that race in code S" low Although I will say they have looked a little weaker recently I hope they do, drg's inversely powerful to the strength of zerg. | ||
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vult
United States9397 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On September 18 2014 00:42 The_Templar wrote: I'm only worried if soO loses to Stats INno vs soO finals that eclipses all ever seen before TvZ with Inno winning is the dream! | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On September 18 2014 00:56 GumBa wrote: INno vs soO finals that eclipses all ever seen before TvZ with Inno winning is the dream! The dream is to see someone win a GSL game with a BC rush but that will never happen so I agree. | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
On September 18 2014 00:57 The_Templar wrote: The dream is to see someone win with a BC rush but that will never happen so I agree. The_Templar royal roads gsl with bc rushes. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On September 18 2014 00:58 GumBa wrote: The_Templar royal roads gsl with bc rushes. Gotta get masters on KR first | ||
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
Gogo. GumBa vs The_Templar GSL finals | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
It would probably go something like this: Game 1: The_Templar tries a really dumb 2 base all-in and GumBa deflects it while taking 5 bases, The_Templar leaves Game 2: The_Templar tries a proxy hatchery and goes swarm hosts but fails in multitasking and loses a long macro game. Game 3: The_Templar BC rushes and wins Game 4: GumBa masses T1 units off 4 bases and obliterates carriers Game 5: The_Templar goes 4 gate and then transitions into void rays and immortals, GumBa tries mech and gets destroyed. Game 6: Roach Game 7: Long, back and forth macro game | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On September 18 2014 00:42 The_Templar wrote: I'm only worried if soO loses to Stats Even if we assume that the game is balanced, which we kind of have to in LR threads, I think Stats can beat soO, he's a good player who's done well in proleague but never had a breakout tournament run. | ||
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The_Templar
your Country52797 Posts
On September 18 2014 04:07 Cheren wrote: Even if we assume that the game is balanced, which we kind of have to in LR threads, I think Stats can beat soO, he's a good player who's done well in proleague but never had a breakout tournament run. I'm not worried about Zerg being weak. I'm worried about other people thinking it. >.> But yeah Stats is a bit under-rated he definitely has a shot. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
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goofyballer
United States136 Posts
At least Artosis watches Proleague and stuff - although I would have expected him to know from watching players like Soulkey deal with mech that there's lots of harassment and mobility involved with shutting it down. It seriously sounded like that was the first mech TvZ that Tasteless has watched in years. It would be amusing to go back in that game and see how many units (excluding hellions) that Innovation even lost while pushing across the map easily. | ||
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Makro
France16890 Posts
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Grumbels
Netherlands7028 Posts
On September 18 2014 04:39 goofyballer wrote: I've never been so tilted by casting as I was by listening to Artosis and Tasteless talk about how much they didn't like Innovation's position in game 1. Dude got up 4 free bases and a 200/200 mech army without ever being harassed and they thought DRG would be able to deal with it no problem? I guess that's what happens when you get Protoss players casting other races. At least Artosis watches Proleague and stuff - although I would have expected him to know from watching players like Soulkey deal with mech that there's lots of harassment and mobility involved with shutting it down. It seriously sounded like that was the first mech TvZ that Tasteless has watched in years. It would be amusing to go back in that game and see how many units (excluding hellions) that Innovation even lost while pushing across the map easily. You could see Tasteless only watching games he casts as an advantage though. It makes the strategies seem fresher, and it's only really annoying if you're up to date on the meta, which hardly anyone is. | ||
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goofyballer
United States136 Posts
On September 18 2014 04:54 Grumbels wrote: You could see Tasteless only watching games he casts as an advantage though. It makes the strategies seem fresher, and it's only really annoying if you're up to date on the meta, which hardly anyone is. I disagree. Even if you're not up to date on the meta, I imagine you'd prefer that your casters tell you things about the state of the game you're watching that aren't wildly incorrect. If a caster can't make a game seem fresh and exciting enough because they've seen too many of that type of game before, that's a separate problem they need to fix. Apollo and Kaelaris or Nathanias and Rotterdam never let a game feel boring when they do WCS even though they watch tons of Starcraft. And this was a fresh game regardless of how much mech TvZ you've seen; Innovation is a bio player, he's known for his biomine play vs. Zerg and being really good at it, he doesn't usually do this, that makes it fresh already. Like, we don't appreciate casters cause they're cool fun guys that get to learn along with us (unless someone is doing something that's truly new, like Naniwa gate expanding vs. DRG in WoL), we appreciate them because they teach us things about the game we're watching that we didn't know before or might not have considered on our own. Instead, this is what we got: 20:15: "I really just don't like what Innovation did here, I really don't think this is gonna work" - Tasteless "For once, I'm gonna agree with someone that says mech will lose" - Artosis 20:40: "Even if it was King Sejong Station or something I feel like this is better, but this is like, the worst possible spot to mech on" - Tasteless, forgetting that having 4 free bases (Inno has a 5th up as well) is kind of super important and you don't get that on other maps 22:10: DRG abducts a raven and a viking, the raven dies, RIP never 4get, probably the best engagement DRG took in this entire game 22:40: "If Terran wins this, man, this would be the craziest uphill battle" - Tasteless 22:58: "This is, like, a really hard scenario to go mech in" - Artosis 23:00: Innovation starts pushing across the map 23:20: "Well he just killed a spore crawler, so that's something." - Artosis 25:05: "I'm gonna be blown away, if he actually pushes through all these swarm hosts...I will, I don't know what I'll even do man, this is pretty wild" - Tasteless, as Inno is halfway across the map and pushing towards DRG's 3rd with 21 siege tanks vs. 24 SH and losing almost nothing 26:25: "This is crazy, he's literally just powering through this. Guys, this is happening, I cannot believe we're actually seeing someone power through the swarm hosts." - Tasteless 27:05: "Should he have just switched into roaches or something?" - Tasteless - I don't even know what the thought process is with this one 27:20: GG 27:25: "What" - Tasteless I'm not being results oriented about my criticism either - like, I'm not upset because I bought everything they said and they cheated me and turned out to be wrong. Rather, watching the game for the first time and listening to them say these things, my jaw was hanging open. I was going to be absolutely shocked if DRG won against someone who got a maxed mech army on that strong of an economy without the Zerg doing anything whatsoever to slow them down. I imagine most people who play Zerg or Terran and play in these types of games felt the same way, yet Tasteless actually had the gall to say in the next game (on King Sejong): "That last game was a bit of an exception because I think everybody watching probably also thought there's no way that mech's gonna push through that." What? No, anyone who plays/watches TvZ knew that mech could totally push through that, especially when DRG had no anti-air beyond the initial spore line (which died shortly after the push began) to deal with the viking/raven cloud. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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imrusty269
United States1404 Posts
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