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On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote:
I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it.
Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy.
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Mocsta's return I eagerly await
in his death I shall not yet participate.
Much opinions have been given
I wish to who he thinks is the villain.
If he does not provide us with information
a scumclaim is the designation.
Time we do not lack
why the hurry to crack his sack?
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On January 12 2014 05:19 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote:
I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it. Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy.
You are actually both wrong. A town player most likely does not want to participate LATER on in the game. A towny on day 1 who has both of his scum team accusations on his wagon does not EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER self hammer. This is beyond ridiculous that you can think like this.
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Artanis can you just vote for Mocsta?
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On January 12 2014 05:58 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 05:19 Derrida wrote:On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote:
I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it. Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy. You are actually both wrong. A town player most likely does not want to participate LATER on in the game. A towny on day 1 who has both of his scum team accusations on his wagon does not EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER self hammer. This is beyond ridiculous that you can think like this. There are 5 townies. There are 2 scum. Anyone who just frankly doesn't want to play a game of mafia is more likely to be town than mafia. Barring certain players with a reputation for hating playing scum, which I don't believe mocsta has, in any game a person who just gives up is more likely town.
I think they both exhibit different behavior as well. A scum player who does not want to play can just lurk. He's not helping his team, but at the very least he's not hurting it, and he 100% doesn't have to do jack. Town players may exhibit more frustration, fight getting lynched, give up, whatever. Personal opinion on this bit.
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On January 12 2014 06:23 Giggletummy wrote:Show nested quote +On January 12 2014 05:58 Holyflare wrote:On January 12 2014 05:19 Derrida wrote:On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote:
I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it. Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy. You are actually both wrong. A town player most likely does not want to participate LATER on in the game. A towny on day 1 who has both of his scum team accusations on his wagon does not EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER self hammer. This is beyond ridiculous that you can think like this. There are 5 townies. There are 2 scum. Anyone who just frankly doesn't want to play a game of mafia is more likely to be town than mafia. Barring certain players with a reputation for hating playing scum, which I don't believe mocsta has, in any game a person who just gives up is more likely town. I think they both exhibit different behavior as well. A scum player who does not want to play can just lurk. He's not helping his team, but at the very least he's not hurting it, and he 100% doesn't have to do jack. Town players may exhibit more frustration, fight getting lynched, give up, whatever. Personal opinion on this bit.
You just practically gave reasons WHY mocsta is scum. Let's look at the facts.
1) Start of game trolling
2) Wagon starts on Derrida who has 8 posts
3) Mocsta joins wagon to make it L-1 and tells us we should actively discuss before we L-2 and L-1, doesn't really discuss (says about misreading votes... yeh sure)
4) Leaves vote on Derrida whilst others unvote and discuss - does not participate in discussion, instead trolls that he is confirmed town after I say it. Why does he retort with a troll when I say that I'm giving Derrida confirmed town status? It's because it's 1 less player for me to target later in the game and he can't target that guy anymore.
5) REMAINS A LURKER AND POSTS NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE
6) Only returns when accused of being scum only to accuse the 2 active people.
7) Addresses his original scum read (derrida) as a towny and tries to convince him that I am wrong
8) Responds with the worst posts ever when called out
9) Self votes and afk's when he is in fact not dead
THERE IS LITERALLY NO REASON TO DEFEND HIM
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We disagree. And it's not useful to continue.
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If he's mafia, there's one more. If he's not, there are two.
Derrida, what other games did you read, and what are a couple interesting things you found in those games? Also, you think mocsta is town. 3-4 people have voted for him, not counting himself. Out of that group, are some scum? All scum? None scum? Is rayn scum?
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Vote Count
Mocsta (3) - Artanis[Xp], raynpelikoneet, Artanis[Xp], Holyflare, raynpelikoneet, Giggletummy, raynpelikoneet
GGTeMpLaR (0) - raynpelikoneet, Giggletummy
HolyFlare (1) - Derrida, Mocsta
Giggletummy (1) - GGTeMpLaR, raynpelikoneet
raynpelikoneet (0) - Artanis[Xp]
Artanis[Xp] (0) - raynpelikoneet
Derrida (0) - Mocsta, Artanis[Xp], GGTeMpLaR, Mocsta, Artanis[Xp]
With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.
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On January 12 2014 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Mocsta's return I eagerly await
in his death I shall not yet participate.
Much opinions have been given
I wish to who he thinks is the villain.
If he does not provide us with information
a scumclaim is the designation.
Time we do not lack
why the hurry to crack his sack? Artanis, sir, you rhyme quite well
But much on mocsta you do dwell.
Why care you 'bout his reads of scum
When this game he has been a bum?
Turn your verse to other names
What think you bout the man called rayn?
A scum before, but much he's typed
Do you still wish him set alight?
Derrida plays a different game
Than when in red we saw his name.
But Holyflare has got a point
And from this game D seems disjoint.
You wait for mocsta but I fear
He's made his thoughts on this game clear.
You think his reads will help your thoughts,
When on this game he's cast a pox?
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20571768
-While he is correct to note that Holy's main accusation is a meta-read, I think how Mocsta keeps filling his posts with excuses and filler content is extremely scummy. The only good point I like about Mocsta's initial accusation against HF is just a sheep'd read that HF shouldn't have cleared Derrida as town as quickly as he did.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=20#382
-I actually agree that HF's metaread in-of-itself is weak, but the only reads Mocsta are giving here are unrelated to it are just the backlash against "HF/Rayn for using said metaread", and that "Artanis is town here for sticking to his guns". These are extremely weak reasoned reads.
I was scumreading Mocsta for these reasons until he did the self-vote shit. I don't really know if I should read it as a null-tell or what but at the very least I find it pretty bm.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#367
-I think Giggletummy actually made decent points against Rayn, especially his noting how Rayn's early arguments against Artanis were weak. He also brings up solid points on the inconsistency of which players posting history are being looked at vs which are being ignored, especially after how much shit I got for not looking into Derrida's posting history.
I don't like how Rayn still accuses Giggle of not taking a stance on Mocsta/Artanis when he literally talks about them in the few posts above -
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#373
I am town-reading Giggle and scum-reading Rayn for these reasons.
##Unvote
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=23#442
-I will say though that I hate when anyone uses "policy lynch" as a reason for voting in any situation. Giggle is actually being really hypocritical here because in policy lynching someone you think is town for "making the game less fun by giving up", he himself is in a sense giving up as well and making the game less fun for the rest of us. That being said, aside from this, I've really liked Gummi as town since the last time I checked into the thread. His hard policy-lynch conviction doesn't necessarily read town, but it seems genuine to me, even if it's total bullshit hypocrisy. If you are holding yourself to the same standards you hold others to, you scumhunt, not policy lynch people you think are town. Voting someone else you think is town is just as BM as voting yourself as town.
Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons-
-Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum
-It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF
-This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle)
-And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
So this is where I'm at
##Vote Rayn
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I forgot to bold my unvote in that post so I'll make it clear just in case
##Unvote
##Vote Rayn
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This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
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Let's get this game moving.
##vote Mocsta
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On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
thanks
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*puts on rayn mask*
You're just voting a dude you think is going to flip green?
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On January 12 2014 08:08 Giggletummy wrote:
*puts on rayn mask*
You're just voting a dude you think is going to flip green?
+1
<3
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That's 4 votes you should NOT BE TALKING
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