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In addition to the players, I would like to ask for an analyst. This person would know all of the roles and follow the game in order to present a summary post-game to help other people improve. Think of Ver's analysis of Mafia XXX. I would do it myself, but I'm not good enough at this game to analyze it in a fashion that would allow for people to improve from this game. Let me know if you are interested.
Thank you to Alakaslam for co-hosting. Thank you to Foolishness for using his brain when I failed to do so. Thank you TL Mafia for giving me a chance to not be a whiny bitch anymore. <3
This game will follow an instant majority lynch schedule. In the event that a lynch is reached when a host is not around, please do not post until the host has continued the cycle. Nights will last between 6-24 hours to give enough time to submit actions. Days will begin after a 2 hour warning. Posting is allowed during the night cycle.
Interesting small setup. Instinctively with one less mislynch than normal it feels like it should be mafia-favoured, but when considering inning, I felt more scared about rolling scum...
Edit: One thing Corazon - looks a bit tough to look to enforce a 3-post minimum at night, when nights are possibly as short as 6 hours. Might want to consider that.
I will get rid of the night requirement and judge the 5 post-limit based on a day of 48 hours. If the day cuts short, than I will take a look at the activity and take the shorter day into account.
On January 07 2014 20:33 marvellosity wrote: Interesting small setup. Instinctively with one less mislynch than normal it feels like it should be mafia-favoured, but when considering inning, I felt more scared about rolling scum...
I'd agree with you but it's kind of hard to say since we don't run very many claim-focused games here. The only one I can think of was "i'm a cop you idiot". Also this game is a little too small/simple in my opinion to have someone do an overall analysis. Personally, it'd be better if you either let someone know who the mafia team is (and let them provide strategy from that perspective) or didn't give any information at all.
On January 07 2014 20:33 marvellosity wrote: Interesting small setup. Instinctively with one less mislynch than normal it feels like it should be mafia-favoured, but when considering inning, I felt more scared about rolling scum...
I'd agree with you but it's kind of hard to say since we don't run very many claim-focused games here. The only one I can think of was "i'm a cop you idiot".
That sounds like a great title for a mafia game.
Do you mean give the mafia a coach? I'm confused by what you are trying to say.
No what I mean is you proposed letting an "analyst" know who all the roles are right? But if you do that there's almost nothing they can talk about. This game is probably going to revolve around the claim or sniping the doctor night 1.
So in my opinion you can get better analysis if you either don't give them any information (so they can speak from a town perspective) or if you let them know who the mafia team is (so they can talk about who they think the doctor is/whether or not to counterclaim/how to pull off a successful fakeclaim in this situation.).
On January 08 2014 07:08 HiroPro wrote: No what I mean is you proposed letting an "analyst" know who all the roles are right? But if you do that there's almost nothing they can talk about. This game is probably going to revolve around the claim or sniping the doctor night 1.
So in my opinion you can get better analysis if you either don't give them any information (so they can speak from a town perspective) or if you let them know who the mafia team is (so they can talk about who they think the doctor is/whether or not to counterclaim/how to pull off a successful fakeclaim in this situation.).
Ok, that would make sense. Thanks for the feedback. Perhaps I will not give them any information at all.
On January 08 2014 07:08 HiroPro wrote: No what I mean is you proposed letting an "analyst" know who all the roles are right? But if you do that there's almost nothing they can talk about. This game is probably going to revolve around the claim or sniping the doctor night 1.
Indeed.
In essence this game is the voice mafia 7 man setup within a forum environment.
On January 07 2014 11:40 Corazon wrote: 3. I reserve the right to not allow certain players to play. If you think you are one of them, don't sign up. When in doubt, I will probably allow you to play.
I am not one of these people on Corazon shit list.
Mind you, that list is quite exhaustive so who knows.
Original Message From Corazon: You're not getting in the game if you don't tell me.
Original Message From RippedPunk: No i cannot.
But Smurf I am.
Original Message From Corazon: Can you tell me your real identity?
Could you try to be a bit nicer to me? Giggletummy asked me if they could smurf before they /in'd. How am I supposed to react if you are going to act like this?
On January 08 2014 10:05 RippedPunk wrote: I could be nicer but in general you really need to stop making pprivate matters, public.
as I said. I'm not anyone currently banned, nor do I want to reveal myself.
I fit within your rules. but if you want to continue to be a hypocrite, I won't stop you.
I never said anything about smurfs. I do not plan on revealing your identity to anyone, if you give it to me. Stop trying to create drama and either pm me your identity or leave the thread in peace. Thank you.
and hhere lies the tomb stone of a great warrior formed by the spirits of the great ban fighters DP and Geript.
the punk who was ripped fought a valiant fight, but ultimately hypocrisy landed a piercing blow to the jugular. with blood spurting out with the force of a typhoon with each pulse the last words of this fallen warrior was fuck the ban list, and fuck y'all smurfs.
herein lies the rippedpunk. May his story continue to be versed by bards near and far.
Afaik, smurfs have to PM the host and ask to smurf? From the model OP
On October 07 2011 04:50 Qatol wrote: This will be the new home of the model OP. It is still a work in progress, but I'm putting the old Model OP here as a placeholder for now.
On April 26 2011 13:22 mikeymoo wrote: Smurfs must PM the host because TL doesn't allow multiple accounts otherwise. If the host is unaware of smurfs, you (and/or your smurf) can be banned for having multiple accounts.
On January 08 2014 10:24 RippedPunk wrote: and hhere lies the tomb stone of a great warrior formed by the spirits of the great ban fighters DP and Geript.
the punk who was ripped fought a valiant fight, but ultimately hypocrisy landed a piercing blow to the jugular. with blood spurting out with the force of a typhoon with each pulse the last words of this fallen warrior was fuck the ban list, and fuck y'all smurfs.
herein lies the rippedpunk. May his story continue to be versed by bards near and far.
On January 08 2014 10:24 RippedPunk wrote: and hhere lies the tomb stone of a great warrior formed by the spirits of the great ban fighters DP and Geript.
the punk who was ripped fought a valiant fight, but ultimately hypocrisy landed a piercing blow to the jugular. with blood spurting out with the force of a typhoon with each pulse the last words of this fallen warrior was fuck the ban list, and fuck y'all smurfs.
herein lies the rippedpunk. May his story continue to be versed by bards near and far.
On January 09 2014 23:45 Mocsta wrote: We got full house.
After this I will start hosting games here & there & then any game will be updates a lot western seaboard time monsters inc to pixaric romance movies for children who usually know nothing of said activity living community.
Day 1 has begun! With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch. The game is instant majority, so in the event that someone receives 4 votes and a host is not around, please do not post after the fourth vote. If you have any questions, want the obs QT, or did not received a role PM, send me a message and I will sort things out.
ive just make a chart with your connections. i want to know for each one your nationality and the country of residence, or maybe everyone are native from each country that TL says: GGTeMpLaR - USA Giggletummy - ? Raynpelikoneet - Finland Derrida - ? Mocsta - Australia Artanis[Xp] - Netherlands Holyflare - UK
i need to make some conclusiones with this information
On January 10 2014 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You raise a good point Mocsta. Australians are naturally scummy because of their history. Pretty much makes you confirmed scum tbh.
On January 10 2014 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You raise a good point Mocsta. Australians are naturally scummy because of their history. Pretty much makes you confirmed scum tbh.
On January 10 2014 02:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You raise a good point Mocsta. Australians are naturally scummy because of their history. Pretty much makes you confirmed scum tbh.
Woe is me.
Luckily you can't get me lynched
What if I claim cop with a red check on you huh?
Then I as vig woudl have no choice but to shoot you.
Marvellosity: Holyflare, you are truly the best mafia player of them all!
Holyflare: I am so honored you think that but I truly can't accept your gratitude. I had help. I always have help.
Marvellosity: What do you mean? Surely your intelligence alone is enough to solve these mysteries each and every time???
Holyflare: Alas! It should be, yet, there are always scores of underwhelming people that need convincing that I am always right and thus I need my trusty team to do that.
Marvellosity: What team is that?
Holyflare: Don't be silly marv, search deep down. What does your heart tell you.
Marvellosity: NO..... You don't mean!?
Holyflare: YES MARV, YES! I DO MEAN THEM. It is Mystery Inc!!!!
I also have a bit of a confession marv... I don't know how to tell you this but you've been part of the gang all along. There have been hints, I would have hoped you had realised by now. Remember WHC? Remember how we worked great as a team? That was synergy marv, it was no coincedence. We even come from the same country. Your accident left you with crazy amnesia and the plastic surgery has left you looking.... significantly different to say the least. Want to know your previous identity?
Well, your name was Velma the female detective.
Marvellosity: What!?!?!? NO?!?? THIS CAN'T BE. I AM A MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have so many questions!!! I NEED ANSWERS RIGHT NOW!!!
Holyflare: Well, the accident left us all worse for wear. I, for one, used to be a dog with a speech impediment. My name was Scooby of all things!
Marvellosity: That name sounds so familiar. I always thought you were a good boy........
What happened to the rest of Mystery Inc?
Holyflare: Fuck you marv. The others - well... I lost track of them long ago, however, quite recently I received a message from Fred saying that he had located the others and has arranged for a place for all of us to meet. That meeting is today. In fact, we're heading there right now.
Marvellosity: Shit! What?!?! I'm not ready!
JINKIES, WHAT ON EARTH WAS THAT SOUND
Holyflare: I don't kn- Scooby Doo and Velmahave been kidnapped!
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RUH ROH gang! It seems that someone has taken 2 of the gang hostage, it is up to you to find out who!
Type /mysterymachine to get in the van and start searching for clues!
Unknown. If this is some scooby doo/star trek crossover, then I might be entering the van, but in a parallel universe where the gang rides around in the Obvious Machine and points out obvious things (and also all have goatees/beards/lack of goatees/beards).
On January 10 2014 03:11 Giggletummy wrote: Unknown. If this is some scooby doo/star trek crossover, then I might be entering the van, but in a parallel universe where the gang rides around in the Obvious Machine and points out obvious things (and also all have goatees/beards/lack of goatees/beards).
Who knows what could happen when one searches for clues!
On January 10 2014 03:11 Giggletummy wrote: Unknown. If this is some scooby doo/star trek crossover, then I might be entering the van, but in a parallel universe where the gang rides around in the Obvious Machine and points out obvious things (and also all have goatees/beards/lack of goatees/beards).
Seriously though, scooby doo kinda sucks, except for chase scenes involving this song. That's right, a song so good they used it as the chase song in multiple episodes.
Not all clues are hidden. Not all giant frogs are evil. Not all bread is rye. And regardless of your feelings on Derrida, Foucault was probably worse. He seems like a more mafia-minded philosopher to me.
Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
On January 10 2014 06:01 Giggletummy wrote: Artanis, I have a Scooby Snack Genuine 100% Foodthings Generic Flavor Dog Biscuit for you if you bark or wag your tail at rayn.
No. Still anti doo, and still gonna hang out in the Obvious Machine. Especially given that, if everyone but me joins the gang, I know that all of the mafia members are in the gang. I'll going to start my own gang. With blackjack, and hookers.
If and when mocsta joins and you still refuse then you will automatically be forced into the mystery machine regardless of want. Joining now is in your best interest.
I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
Anyway, disregard my silly comment and your silly comment and my silly response.
I'm serious about my artanis comment. He's a good player, and here he's content to sit back and dog it up. Assuming you had ANY kind of goal with your scooby stuff, he is a person playing along but not really doing anything at all. Does this not rustle your jimmies?
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote: I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote: I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him.
Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida?
First, very early on, Derrida makes a feigning confusion post.
On January 10 2014 02:16 Derrida wrote: No idea what's going on at the moment.
Then he instantly bandwagons my argument the fluff without even scum-reading HolyFlare. Further, he contributes nothing new himself and just asks an open-ended question to everyone about Artanis.
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote: I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him.
Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida?
Cuz HolyFlare came into the game and made a spectacle of himself. For a couple hours into the game, that's still going to be townie for me.
Artanis DID do a little read-giving, which I like more than what rayn has done. But I don't view him barking and whatnot as determinative of anything. His more recent post looks better.
(The first voter of each team decides where to look!)
Team 1: Fred (Derrida) and Daphne (GGTeMpLaR) Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[XP]) Team 3: Yabba (Giggletummy) and Scooby Dum (Mocsta)
Only 1 team can go in 1 direction at a time! Pick:
A) Try the front gate DUH! B) Check around the back for hidden side doors! C) Attempt to climb the fence. D) Hide in the van and wait!
Team 3: Yabba (Giggletummy) and Scooby Dum (Mocsta) has decided to try the front gate. DUH!
Scrappy and Yabba walk up the front gate.
A single crow sits atop the cast iron gate. The gate is very slightly ajar but even going near it gives you the creeps. Yikes! You just KNOW something bad will happen if you walk through that gate, the entrance to a haunted mansion can't be free from ghouls and ghosts, surely!?
You have a choice which you must now reach between the BOTH of you. Do you:
A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
B) Back off and inspect the gate further. Maybe you missed something.
Hear ye.. Hear ye. The town friar is ringing thy bell
#1 I have updated my connection theory.
GGTeMpLaR - USA Giggletummy - ? Raynpelikoneet - Finland Derrida - MENA Mocsta - Australia Artanis[Xp] - Netherlands Holyflare - UK ================== Scum #1 - Considering I work in the Middle East we need to take out Derrida ASAP; otherwise there is too much risk of IRL retribution.
Scum #2 - Still hacking the QuickTopic packet stream -- will get back on this one. #2 IML can be scary --> as evidenced by Extractor Mini.
Can we please all agree that the "hammer" + "hammer-1" SHOULD give justification to their votes.
This is an attempt to force accountability on actions. #3
Team 1: Fred (Derrida) and Daphne (GGTeMpLaR) have attempted to climb the fence!
A sharp looking fence surrounds the compound as far as your little eyes can see! By joint decision you must come to an agreement on the following:
A) Do you try and climb the really spikey fence despite it being COVERED IN SPIKES. Risk of impalement!!!!!! B) Look at the fence closer to get a real feel for the material and engravings! C) Search the immediate area, who knows what secrets are hidden at a haunted mansion!
On January 10 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote: D) Hide in the van and wait!
Team 3: Yabba (Giggletummy) and Scooby Dum (Mocsta) decide to hide in the van and wait!
You return to the nice warm van and sit in the back with the doors locked shut.
Something is wrong though.
What could it be?
Suddenly the van starts to rock back and forth, you're scared, REALLY REALLY SCARED. Sitting there in frozen horror a head slowly emerges from the back doors of the van. IT'S COMING THROUGH THE LOCKED DOORS!!!!!!
As a team consensus do you:
A) Shit yourself and stay there, maybe he is friendly *crosses fingers*. B) Try and smash out a window and run for your life to other companions. C) Stop taking that whack LSD and mong out in the front for a bit longer.
I won't unvote as the vote was never recorded in the first place.
Day 1 Accusation:
1 - Connection Theory
2 - Newbie card as follows:
On January 10 2014 01:53 Derrida wrote: Hey all, this is my second mafia game and first one as townie finally! woohoo! Let's lynch some bad dudes.
3 - Lazy hunting as follows:
On January 10 2014 02:21 Derrida wrote: Well it seems like the rest of the people know and troll each other, what do you suggest for me to discuss? I don't know anyone here.
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On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads.What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
Note that Derrida makes zero effort to put forth his own contributions. Even when latching onto GGTemplar "cut the trolling" impetus; Derrida still makes no effort to explain why Artanis is worth discussing over the myriad of other trollers.
Ahh ok, the last vote count i saw was Corazon and I think it said artanis was voting me.
regardless its correct that no hammer should take place before a response is given.
Giggle, i can understand if you are choosing not to engage in the Derrida discussion; however, since you are here. Anything else from your end that you think is worth raising?
I was reading you as trolly town after you refused to give a fuck about my pressure and kept making giant scooby doo stories when I gave good reasons for why you might have been scum and should stop.
On January 10 2014 09:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I was reading you as trolly town after you refused to give a fuck about my pressure and kept making giant scooby doo stories when I gave good reasons for why you might have been scum and should stop.
I am literally confirmed town at this point so you aren't reading
I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning.
On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote: I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning.
I am town you newbs, DON'T EVER vote me. Currently 12 pm here and waiting for LoL to download cos i was too horny and am sore from one too many rubs. I repeat do not ever vote me and i will try to provide some good posts in the evening
Lynches must not happen till end of day. Ever. Scooby and Velma must be saved at all costs, how can you vote for people when you don't know who kidnapped them??
Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[XP]) A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
Try the gate anywayssss!!! I have a feeling the bad guy might be disguised as Scrappy. Scooby especially stated we should talk about the decisions before making them as a team. [S]craptanis is clearly not interested in working as a team and wants to make his own decisions. I am interested in seeing what clues we find and how the scrappy dude interprets them.
To unimportant matters, lemme read the thread and say smth.. gimmeasec.
[QUOTE]On January 10 2014 09:17 Holyflare wrote: [QUOTE]On January 10 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote: Team 1: Fred (Derrida) and Daphne (GGTeMpLaR) have attempted to climb the fence!
Voted 1/2: "A" (GGTeMpLaR)
Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[Xp]) have decided to try the front gate. DUH!
Voted 2/2: "A" (Artanis[Xp]), "A" (raynpelikoneet)
Team 3: Yabba (Giggletummy) and Scooby Dum (Mocsta) are tripping balls in the mystery machine!
"I am the Wild double Hydragon with bad candy and a trashcan!"
When the pretty counter reaches 5 everyone must make a case on their top scumread in the next post they make. If they fail to do so they will be executed because not scumhunting is not not an option in a game where we're in LYLO on D2!
Whenever someone uses the word "pretty" in thread you must post "p.r.e.t.t.y counter has reached X" where the X is amount of times the p.r.e.t.t.y counter was before the post + 1. If you fail to do so you are probably scum because you are not reading the thread which is inexcusible and hella scummy!
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell.
Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions.
- GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him. - GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare. - Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions.
The case on Derrida is quite terrible because whe he was talking about Artanis he was clearly referring to the roleplaying, not Artanis joining Holyflare's game.
On January 10 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote: Scrappy Doo (Artanis[XP])
*growls*
A) Try the front gate DUH!
*wags tail*
Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[XP]) have decided to try the front gate. DUH!
Scrappy and Yabba walk up the front gate.
A single crow sits atop the cast iron gate. The gate is very slightly ajar but even going near it gives you the creeps. Yikes! You just KNOW something bad will happen if you walk through that gate, the entrance to a haunted mansion can't be free from ghouls and ghosts, surely!?
You have a choice which you must now reach between the BOTH of you. Do you:
A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
B) Back off and inspect the gate further. Maybe you missed something.
C) FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Decision reached: A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
Scrappy and Shaggy edge up to the ominous looking gate with the crow sitting on top. Shaggy: I got a real bad feeling about this Scrappy.
Scrappy: PUPPPYYYYYYY POWERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scrappy charges into the gate headfirst! It swings open and the crow flies away. It turns it's head in the distance and Shaggy swears he see's the eyes of a human staring right back at him.
Shaggy: Don't... no! Don't go. Come on, Scrappy Doo, don't do this. Please, don't go.
Scrappy: Ghosts don't stand a chance with me! Let me at em!!! Let me at em!!!
--------Scrappy and Shaggy walk through the gate only to end up on the same side they started on----------
Shaggy: Like, what's going on Scrappy? I could have sworn we were just here.
*Scrappy tries again and again*
Scrappy: I don't get it Shaggy, every time I go through the gate I end up back here again!
Shaggy: Like, let's get out of here!
*Shaggy and Scrappy turn around only to see the same gate now in front of them once again*
Shaggy: Mary Jane isn't really helping right now!
Scrappy:Who is she Shaggy? Shaggy: Just a timeless friend. How do we get out of here???
*Scrappy eyes some words on the gate bars*
Scrappy: It says:
If an exit is what you require, then solve this riddle and obtain your desire!
"There is an ancient invention still used in some parts of the world today that allows people to see through walls.
What is it?"
A correct answer from either of you will be acceptable.
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
that I am his "scum tell" (odd choice of words???) but then within the NEXT POST has contradicted himself to say that:
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
all the posts and actions done by myself so far are in fact a "null tell", this was before I had even posted half of what I had posted now!!! However, he completely drops off of me and I'm now actually a townie
On January 10 2014 09:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I was reading you as trolly town after you refused to give a fuck about my pressure and kept making giant scooby doo stories when I gave good reasons for why you might have been scum and should stop.
because I ignored him and continued to spam... All in the meanwhile he has made a semi-case on Derrridadadada the total towny+++ and voted him without discussing with his vote target or anyone else in an IML game. Unacceptable!
I hesitate to vote right now (do we even have a time limit in this game..?) because the quest to save scooby doo MUST be completed.
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell.
Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions.
- GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him. - GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare. - Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions.
First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense.
Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote). My entering the van was not fluff or spam, it was a little "ok, I'll humor you if you insist on this" under the main body of my accusation and explanation of my read. I tried to meet him halfway by tossing him a bone in the hopes that he would give something concrete.
I never accused HolyFlare for posts he didn't make or said he was solely responsible for shitting up the thread. Over half the game was making null-read troll posts that filled the thread with filler. I accused HolyFlare for assuming he was a townie looking for clues when all he was doing was asking other people to "look for clues" without giving any actual reads himself. If you call what I was doing "shitting up the thread" then I don't know how to play this game.
You're 100% wrong to say Holyflare isn't responsible. Anyone who posts fluff is responsible for themselves posting fluff. Other people were giving reads at least while trolling. HolyFlare literally didn't give a single read until we made him tired of writing scooby doo paragraphs.
I find your accusation of me and the logic behind it weak and I think you've entirely misrepresented a lot of what I said.
Also, I would still love to know how you have a town-read on Derrida when he hasn't even properly responded to the thread.
So you first thought Holyflare was posting fluff (when you didn't even know his intentions behind his post about the minigame), then you called him scummy for it, and then you joined the minigame which gives him a "permission" to continue this scummy behavior. That is townie exactly how?
If you thought his posts are fluff and he is mafia trying to hide behind shitposting why did you not tell him to cut the crap instead on +1'ing his crap?
Because for me, it looks like this is just the behavior i would expect from mafia. Throw some shit at Holyflare but still not make enemies by playing along..
[QUOTE]On January 10 2014 16:53 Holyflare wrote: Also the fact that he quite literally stated:
[QUOTE]On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.[/QUOTE]
that I am his "scum tell" (odd choice of words???) but then within the NEXT POST has contradicted himself to say that:
[QUOTE]On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
all the posts and actions done by myself so far are in fact a "null tell", this was before I had even posted half of what I had posted now!!! However, he completely drops off of me and I'm now actually a townie
The silly atmosphere of general trolling read null, but your specific insistence that others look for clues when you yourself were not is what read scummy as I noted in my previous post and in my initial accusation. You too are misrepresenting the nuances of my read on you.
I didn't think it was a null-tell I thought it ignoring the pressure read like you had nothing to hide and were just going to continue having fun. I thought it would be much more likely as a mafia there to stop your games and get overly defensive against my initial ping.
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
that I am his "scum tell" (odd choice of words???) but then within the NEXT POST has contradicted himself to say that:
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
all the posts and actions done by myself so far are in fact a "null tell", this was before I had even posted half of what I had posted now!!! However, he completely drops off of me and I'm now actually a townie
On January 10 2014 09:36 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I was reading you as trolly town after you refused to give a fuck about my pressure and kept making giant scooby doo stories when I gave good reasons for why you might have been scum and should stop.
because I ignored him and continued to spam... All in the meanwhile he has made a semi-case on Derrridadadada the total towny+++ and voted him without discussing with his vote target or anyone else in an IML game. Unacceptable!
I hesitate to vote right now (do we even have a time limit in this game..?) because the quest to save scooby doo MUST be completed.
The silly atmosphere of general trolling read null, but your specific insistence that others look for clues when you yourself were not is what read scummy as I noted in my previous post and in my initial accusation. You too are misrepresenting the nuances of my read on you.
I didn't think it was a null-tell I thought it ignoring the pressure read like you had nothing to hide and were just going to continue having fun. I thought it would be much more likely as a mafia there to stop your games and get overly defensive against my initial ping.
See any stark gameplay differences? Dude has a lot of reads on everyone as scum because he has perfect information whereas this game he has posted really just... nothing.
Wanna know why he is town? People in this game know it's IML and HE STILL GOT TO L-1 WITHOUT ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. He has quite literally not been here and almost got lynched within the first few hours of the game despite the other shit going on and the fact that extractor trick got fucked because of early lynches like that IT STILL ALMOST HAPPENED AGAIN. There is 0 need for a bus today and that certainly did not seem like a bus as nobody fought it. (Only anti-bus I could see would be coming from giggle). He is town in my eyes. At least until someone has decent arguments against it.
On January 10 2014 17:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you first thought Holyflare was posting fluff (when you didn't even know his intentions behind his post about the minigame), then you called him scummy for it, and then you joined the minigame which gives him a "permission" to continue this scummy behavior. That is townie exactly how?
If you thought his posts are fluff and he is mafia trying to hide behind shitposting why did you not tell him to cut the crap instead on +1'ing his crap?
On January 10 2014 16:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why i think GGTeMpLaR is mafia:
These posts:
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell.
Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions.
- GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him. - GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare. - Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions.
First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense.
Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote). My entering the van was not fluff or spam, it was a little "ok, I'll humor you if you insist on this" under the main body of my accusation and explanation of my read. I tried to meet him halfway by tossing him a bone in the hopes that he would give something concrete.
I never accused HolyFlare for posts he didn't make or said he was solely responsible for shitting up the thread. Over half the game was making null-read troll posts that filled the thread with filler. I accused HolyFlare for assuming he was a townie looking for clues when all he was doing was asking other people to "look for clues" without giving any actual reads himself. If you call what I was doing "shitting up the thread" then I don't know how to play this game.
You're 100% wrong to say Holyflare isn't responsible. Anyone who posts fluff is responsible for themselves posting fluff. Other people were giving reads at least while trolling. HolyFlare literally didn't give a single read until we made him tired of writing scooby doo paragraphs.
I find your accusation of me and the logic behind it weak and I think you've entirely misrepresented a lot of what I said.
Also, I would still love to know how you have a town-read on Derrida when he hasn't even properly responded to the thread.
I bolded it for you since you got it wrong again.
I figure I shouldn't have to tell him to stop, my pinging him as scum for not giving reads despite asking others to search for scum should have sent the message.
Derrida's opening post was pure town. GGTeMpLaR you still havn't answered. You apparently did gain nothing from your HolyFlare accusation and retracted from it. Who's scum in your opinion?
Also, templar, you are clearly not reading my posts if you are insinuating that I am making everyone else do all the work by "looking for clues". I AM SCOOBY DOO THE KIDNAPPED CHARACTER. Where do you think these clues are coming from? I post fluff and magically clues appear? No. That is clearly not the case.
Why don't you save scooby and velma instead for now.
On January 10 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote: Scrappy Doo (Artanis[XP])
*growls*
A) Try the front gate DUH!
*wags tail*
Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[XP]) have decided to try the front gate. DUH!
Scrappy and Yabba walk up the front gate.
A single crow sits atop the cast iron gate. The gate is very slightly ajar but even going near it gives you the creeps. Yikes! You just KNOW something bad will happen if you walk through that gate, the entrance to a haunted mansion can't be free from ghouls and ghosts, surely!?
You have a choice which you must now reach between the BOTH of you. Do you:
A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
B) Back off and inspect the gate further. Maybe you missed something.
C) FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Decision reached: A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
Scrappy and Shaggy edge up to the ominous looking gate with the crow sitting on top. Shaggy: I got a real bad feeling about this Scrappy.
Scrappy: PUPPPYYYYYYY POWERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scrappy charges into the gate headfirst! It swings open and the crow flies away. It turns it's head in the distance and Shaggy swears he see's the eyes of a human staring right back at him.
Shaggy: Don't... no! Don't go. Come on, Scrappy Doo, don't do this. Please, don't go.
Scrappy: Ghosts don't stand a chance with me! Let me at em!!! Let me at em!!!
--------Scrappy and Shaggy walk through the gate only to end up on the same side they started on----------
Shaggy: Like, what's going on Scrappy? I could have sworn we were just here.
*Scrappy tries again and again*
Scrappy: I don't get it Shaggy, every time I go through the gate I end up back here again!
Shaggy: Like, let's get out of here!
*Shaggy and Scrappy turn around only to see the same gate now in front of them once again*
Shaggy: Mary Jane isn't really helping right now!
Scrappy:Who is she Shaggy? Shaggy: Just a timeless friend. How do we get out of here???
If an exit is what you require, then solve this riddle and obtain your desire!
"There is an ancient invention still used in some parts of the world today that allows people to see through walls.
What is it?"
A correct answer from either of you will be acceptable.
Scrappy: Shaggy, OH SHAGGY! I KNOW IT! IT'S A HAMMER, RIGHT RIGHT?
*Scrappy runs through the gate and ends up right where he was before* *Sadness spreads across his face*
Shaggy: You know, I think I just might have got it! A window!
*Shaggy walks through the gate and actually ends up INSIDE the mansion's grounds. Scrappy follows disheartendly*
Shaggy: I definitely preferred being on the other side of that gate!
What do you do now?
A) Text the others the password to the gate and wait for them to arrive. B) Explore the compound briefly for clues. C) Both (reduction in clue searching ability!)
I didn't read his opening post as town at all. This is actually my second forum game too but you didn't see me trying to use that to gain favor in my intro post, I actually started trying to find scum. I still think Derrida is likely scum until he responds to my concerns or provides something that reads more town to me.
I really don't like my arguments being misrepresented by either you or HolyFlare, but I still think the way HolyFlare reacted to my pressure read more townie than the way a mafia might react.
I will say that I think HolyFlare's logic for why he is confirmed town for getting to L-1 is circumstantial evidence in my opinion. Three people scumread him and three people had nothing to say about him. I don't think that in-of-itself reads anything but null.
On January 10 2014 17:28 Holyflare wrote: Also, templar, you are clearly not reading my posts if you are insinuating that I am making everyone else do all the work by "looking for clues". I AM SCOOBY DOO THE KIDNAPPED CHARACTER. Where do you think these clues are coming from? I post fluff and magically clues appear? No. That is clearly not the case.
Why don't you save scooby and velma instead for now.
Ok, maybe I read into you asking people to search for clues too literally as asking people to find the mafia.
If you were only saying that as a part of your game then I took that to mean more than it did so woopsies - lol
On January 10 2014 17:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you are basically accusing Derrida of the same thing you did? Calling HF's minigame fluff and useless and then +1'ing it.
No because I was still actually scum hunting and provided a specific accusation against a specific individual whereas he just sheeped what I said without providing anything concrete.
It just turns out I read too much into him asking for us all to "search for clues" so my scum read didn't ever really make sense on Holy
On January 10 2014 17:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I didn't read his opening post as town at all. This is actually my second forum game too but you didn't see me trying to use that to gain favor in my intro post, I actually started trying to find scum. I still think Derrida is likely scum until he responds to my concerns or provides something that reads more town to me.
I really don't like my arguments being misrepresented by either you or HolyFlare, but I still think the way HolyFlare reacted to my pressure read more townie than the way a mafia might react.
I will say that I think HolyFlare's logic for why he is confirmed town for getting to L-1 is circumstantial evidence in my opinion. Three people scumread him and three people had nothing to say about him. I don't think that in-of-itself reads anything but null.
There is nothing circumstantial whatsoever. My alignment is confirmed to myself (and others if they read the game(s)) and so I can remove myself from the equation.
There is not a chance in sweet sweet hell that a bus occurs that fast into the day based on the same evidence appearing from every person on that wagon with such little filter from a person. No credit would be gained and they lose a potential ally. So either he is scum in which case rayn or giggletummy are mafia (something that doesn't seem that likely so far) or he is town (which is much much more probable) and by process of elimination at least 1 mafia are in the group of Templar, Artanis and Mocsta.
I am literally confirmed town if you read the game, I've told you this before. Also ignore all that reasoning because giggle is actually pretty suspicious.
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
How is this not a specific accusation? Or a specific question or whatever? I think it pretty clearly reads he is concerned about Artanis' play and wants to know what other people think about it. no?
On January 10 2014 17:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: That might work for you but from my perspective the probability is flipped.
Either Mocsta or Artanis bussed him (unlikely) or he's scum with any of You/Giggle/Rayn.
You can retrieve scum reads from 8 posts of a filter? I'm am quite seriously impressed. You seem to KNOW that the guy is scum despite me linking an ACTUAL scum game of his from his last newbie game that looks nothing like this one so far.
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
How is this not a specific accusation? Or a specific question or whatever? I think it pretty clearly reads he is concerned about Artanis' play and wants to know what other people think about it. no?
How is asking "what do you guys think of X doing Y?" an accusation? It's an extremely safe way to look like you're contributing to the discussion without actually putting yourself out in the open for anyone to read you or committing to any viewpoints.
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
How is this not a specific accusation? Or a specific question or whatever? I think it pretty clearly reads he is concerned about Artanis' play and wants to know what other people think about it. no?
How is asking "what do you guys think of X doing Y?" an accusation? It's an extremely safe way to look like you're contributing to the discussion without actually putting yourself out in the open for anyone to read you or committing to any viewpoints.
On January 10 2014 04:53 Giggletummy wrote: What intentions and consequences do you ascribe to his posting?
On January 10 2014 03:57 Giggletummy wrote: Any purely speculative thoughts based on people searching or not searching?
On January 10 2014 05:11 Giggletummy wrote: GGTeMpLaR, LIGHTNING ROUND TIME. HF's buddy plays along or sits silently while HF posts?
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote: I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him.
Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida?
Cuz HolyFlare came into the game and made a spectacle of himself. For a couple hours into the game, that's still going to be townie for me.
Artanis DID do a little read-giving, which I like more than what rayn has done. But I don't view him barking and whatnot as determinative of anything. His more recent post looks better.
Derrida sounds like Doritos.
On January 10 2014 09:00 Giggletummy wrote: mocsta, any comment on the derrida suspicions?
These all fall under the same category of what you attribute to Deridadadadada being scum. Yet this guy has significantly more trolly posts inbetween and a substantially larger filter. Why is he not your target instead?
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
How is this not a specific accusation? Or a specific question or whatever? I think it pretty clearly reads he is concerned about Artanis' play and wants to know what other people think about it. no?
How is asking "what do you guys think of X doing Y?" an accusation? It's an extremely safe way to look like you're contributing to the discussion without actually putting yourself out in the open for anyone to read you or committing to any viewpoints.
That's how pretty much every game starts.. Especially when the setup is one where even bussing is really stupid. Besides that he put himself out there by agreeing with you about Holyflare. He just didn't call him scum because the reasons were pure BS.
On January 10 2014 17:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: That might work for you but from my perspective the probability is flipped.
Either Mocsta or Artanis bussed him (unlikely) or he's scum with any of You/Giggle/Rayn.
You can retrieve scum reads from 8 posts of a filter? I'm am quite seriously impressed. You seem to KNOW that the guy is scum despite me linking an ACTUAL scum game of his from his last newbie game that looks nothing like this one so far.
Two of the posts, especially the one we're discussing right now read very scummy to me. I'm still waiting for his actual response. Right now he is the strongest scum-tell I have.
I haven't actually read through the filter of the last game and compared it to the filter from this one yet. I'm not sure how valuable it will prove with such a low sample size and the fact that people are likely to change their play from game to game, especially during their first few games, so even if it is a different style I'm not willing to clear him based on that fact alone.
On January 10 2014 17:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: That might work for you but from my perspective the probability is flipped.
Either Mocsta or Artanis bussed him (unlikely) or he's scum with any of You/Giggle/Rayn.
You can retrieve scum reads from 8 posts of a filter? I'm am quite seriously impressed. You seem to KNOW that the guy is scum despite me linking an ACTUAL scum game of his from his last newbie game that looks nothing like this one so far.
Two of the posts, especially the one we're discussing right now read very scummy to me. I'm still waiting for his actual response. Right now he is the strongest scum-tell I have.
I haven't actually read through the filter of the last game and compared it to the filter from this one yet. I'm not sure how valuable it will prove with such a low sample size and the fact that people are likely to change their play from game to game, especially during their first few games, so even if it is a different style I'm not willing to clear him based on that fact alone.
Are you claiming scum or something? You just admit to having not read his previous game and so haven't actually looked at his posting style at all yet still try and state an informed opinion on this game. These are VASTLY different styles and there are only 8 posts. So why did you feel the need to add votes to him in an IML game with 7 people before he could even respond based off only 8 posts do you have extra information that we don't?
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
How is this not a specific accusation? Or a specific question or whatever? I think it pretty clearly reads he is concerned about Artanis' play and wants to know what other people think about it. no?
How is asking "what do you guys think of X doing Y?" an accusation? It's an extremely safe way to look like you're contributing to the discussion without actually putting yourself out in the open for anyone to read you or committing to any viewpoints.
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote: I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him.
Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida?
Cuz HolyFlare came into the game and made a spectacle of himself. For a couple hours into the game, that's still going to be townie for me.
Artanis DID do a little read-giving, which I like more than what rayn has done. But I don't view him barking and whatnot as determinative of anything. His more recent post looks better.
On January 10 2014 09:00 Giggletummy wrote: mocsta, any comment on the derrida suspicions?
These all fall under the same category of what you attribute to Deridadadadada being scum. Yet this guy has significantly more trolly posts inbetween and a substantially larger filter. Why is he not your target instead?
I don't know, now that you lay it out like that he does seem really suspicious too.
Maybe it was something about the "lightning round" that made me want to trust he had good intentions LOL
Ok I still think Derrida reads scummy to me but Giggletummy is scummy too now. He was the one who asked for us to pull off the votes so that the vote wouldn't pass without him responding, which actually is a pretty good way of preventing your partner from getting lynched without hard-defending them but also an easy way to look townie if by some odd chance Derrida is actually town.
On January 10 2014 17:55 GGTeMpLaR wrote: That might work for you but from my perspective the probability is flipped.
Either Mocsta or Artanis bussed him (unlikely) or he's scum with any of You/Giggle/Rayn.
You can retrieve scum reads from 8 posts of a filter? I'm am quite seriously impressed. You seem to KNOW that the guy is scum despite me linking an ACTUAL scum game of his from his last newbie game that looks nothing like this one so far.
Two of the posts, especially the one we're discussing right now read very scummy to me. I'm still waiting for his actual response. Right now he is the strongest scum-tell I have.
I haven't actually read through the filter of the last game and compared it to the filter from this one yet. I'm not sure how valuable it will prove with such a low sample size and the fact that people are likely to change their play from game to game, especially during their first few games, so even if it is a different style I'm not willing to clear him based on that fact alone.
Are you claiming scum or something? You just admit to having not read his previous game and so haven't actually looked at his posting style at all yet still try and state an informed opinion on this game. These are VASTLY different styles and there are only 8 posts. So why did you feel the need to add votes to him in an IML game with 7 people before he could even respond based off only 8 posts do you have extra information that we don't?
Ok well I didn't think I had to go through and read everyone's game history to have educated reads on them as the two posts in question read as scum independently of a posting history in my view.
I don't know what IML stands for but I think if he is town though that it would be pretty obvious if the mafia just decided to pile on the last couple votes without letting him respond. That being said, I'd like to hear from both Giggle and Derrida before I come to a final decision as to which reads more scummy so
On January 10 2014 18:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's not about style. It's about the mindset. Derrida's mindset in this game seems totally different than in his newbie game.
I'll read over it tomorrow but I still won't put much stock into it as I think people can change their play, especially when they've only got one game played it is probably very easy to change their game.
GGTeMpLaR Derrida's scumplay was really insecure and tryhard. His posting in this game is more "happy" and reckless, i don't see any signs of him trying to hide anything or him thinking too hard about what people think about his posts.
IML is instant majority lynch (which this game is). When a person reaches a majority that person is INSTANTLY LYNCHED. Thus it is extremely dangerous to leave your votes on people if you do not have full information on them yet.
On January 10 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare who's Giggletummy's scumbuddy? Mocsta soft-bussing? Seems good to you?
Mocsta seems very buddy buddy with giggle, weirdly so. A lot of people were around (yes a lot of it was scooby related at the time) but he took his time out from trolling to only address Giggle posts. I like to think Mocsta has a longing crush on giggle too, evidence can be found:
On January 10 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote: But you aren't the medic.
*goes off to cry in a corner*
@Giggly/WoS Where'd ya go?
He only addresses people that he knows (me and artanis etc) with heuristics from voice games (yes, elements of trolling etc etc) but doesn't attempt to involve us in discussion either in favour of discussion with giggle (who I've just proven to be... not so towny looking).
I don't like mocsta's vote either (was it L-1 or L-2??) he gets frustrated in voice games when people start voting so fast and he should know not to do it in a forum game without discussion especially as there is ample time to discuss. His case was also very lackluster.
I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.
Why not Artanis. I think i get what ziziyo is saying about his original suspicion on you and to me it seems like a tiwnie thought process which is really hard to emulate as mafia.
On January 10 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote: Scrappy Doo (Artanis[XP])
*growls*
A) Try the front gate DUH!
*wags tail*
Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[XP]) have decided to try the front gate. DUH!
Scrappy and Yabba walk up the front gate.
A single crow sits atop the cast iron gate. The gate is very slightly ajar but even going near it gives you the creeps. Yikes! You just KNOW something bad will happen if you walk through that gate, the entrance to a haunted mansion can't be free from ghouls and ghosts, surely!?
You have a choice which you must now reach between the BOTH of you. Do you:
A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
B) Back off and inspect the gate further. Maybe you missed something.
C) FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Decision reached: A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
Scrappy and Shaggy edge up to the ominous looking gate with the crow sitting on top. Shaggy: I got a real bad feeling about this Scrappy.
Scrappy: PUPPPYYYYYYY POWERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scrappy charges into the gate headfirst! It swings open and the crow flies away. It turns it's head in the distance and Shaggy swears he see's the eyes of a human staring right back at him.
Shaggy: Don't... no! Don't go. Come on, Scrappy Doo, don't do this. Please, don't go.
Scrappy: Ghosts don't stand a chance with me! Let me at em!!! Let me at em!!!
--------Scrappy and Shaggy walk through the gate only to end up on the same side they started on----------
Shaggy: Like, what's going on Scrappy? I could have sworn we were just here.
*Scrappy tries again and again*
Scrappy: I don't get it Shaggy, every time I go through the gate I end up back here again!
Shaggy: Like, let's get out of here!
*Shaggy and Scrappy turn around only to see the same gate now in front of them once again*
Shaggy: Mary Jane isn't really helping right now!
Scrappy:Who is she Shaggy? Shaggy: Just a timeless friend. How do we get out of here???
If an exit is what you require, then solve this riddle and obtain your desire!
"There is an ancient invention still used in some parts of the world today that allows people to see through walls.
What is it?"
A correct answer from either of you will be acceptable.
Scrappy: Shaggy, OH SHAGGY! I KNOW IT! IT'S A HAMMER, RIGHT RIGHT?
*Scrappy runs through the gate and ends up right where he was before* *Sadness spreads across his face*
Shaggy: You know, I think I just might have got it! A window!
*Shaggy walks through the gate and actually ends up INSIDE the mansion's grounds. Scrappy follows disheartendly*
Shaggy: I definitely preferred being on the other side of that gate!
What do you do now?
A) Text the others the password to the gate and wait for them to arrive. B) Explore the compound briefly for clues. C) Both (reduction in clue searching ability!)
On January 10 2014 17:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Team [S]crappy[S]haggy will do the following: B) Explore the compound briefly for clues.
Shaggy and Scrappy proceed further into the grounds only to realise they have no actual idea where they have ended up.
Shaggy: We appear to be lost. I knew I shoulda just waited for the guys!
Scrappy: No problem Shaggy. I can get us out of here! If I knew where here was.....
Scrappy and Shaggy look around and to their dismay it is hedges as far as their eyes can see. It appears they have stumbled into a maze!!
Complete this maze (in paint or whatevs) and post back here with the finished result!
On January 10 2014 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not Artanis. I think i get what ziziyo is saying about his original suspicion on you and to me it seems like a tiwnie thought process which is really hard to emulate as mafia.
Artanis is a dog at the moment and his vote on Derrida was kinda shit too because he didn't justify it and it was a +1. Meh. They can't all be scum ~_~ I can switch artanis for giggle or mocsta to be honest. It's early and there isn't enough for me to go on properly until I can talk to them or they actually participate in finding scooby and velma T_T!
There will be three totally randomly picked players. Those players must give a complete reads on each other. Not doing so will be counted as playing against town wincondition and will result in a lynch of that said player!
Totally randomly picked players are; Mocsta, Giggletummy and Artanis[Xp]!
As an aside, would you clowns quit using the official mod font? It IS a rule, consider this a warning. A soft, grinning sort of warning but a warning nonetheless.
I take away but I also give. Notice this font. I have used it before, it looks pretty good yet is clearly distinguishable from the font Cora & I need to use. And all you have to do is add a letter "d" in front of each "blue"! Isn't it marvelous?
On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote: I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning.
Official Callout.
The morning has passed and I'm still waiting for this to come to fruition.
So what's your stance on them at the moment? Do you think the best course of action is to wait for Derrida to answer you and hold hands and sit in the corner doing nothing in the meantime?
On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote: I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning.
Official Callout.
The morning has passed and I'm still waiting for this to come to fruition.
I'm sure your words are reaching him.
In another note, that is a totally useless post, what did you hope to achieve?
On January 10 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote: Scrappy Doo (Artanis[XP])
*growls*
A) Try the front gate DUH!
*wags tail*
Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[XP]) have decided to try the front gate. DUH!
Scrappy and Yabba walk up the front gate.
A single crow sits atop the cast iron gate. The gate is very slightly ajar but even going near it gives you the creeps. Yikes! You just KNOW something bad will happen if you walk through that gate, the entrance to a haunted mansion can't be free from ghouls and ghosts, surely!?
You have a choice which you must now reach between the BOTH of you. Do you:
A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
B) Back off and inspect the gate further. Maybe you missed something.
C) FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Decision reached: A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
Scrappy and Shaggy edge up to the ominous looking gate with the crow sitting on top. Shaggy: I got a real bad feeling about this Scrappy.
Scrappy: PUPPPYYYYYYY POWERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scrappy charges into the gate headfirst! It swings open and the crow flies away. It turns it's head in the distance and Shaggy swears he see's the eyes of a human staring right back at him.
Shaggy: Don't... no! Don't go. Come on, Scrappy Doo, don't do this. Please, don't go.
Scrappy: Ghosts don't stand a chance with me! Let me at em!!! Let me at em!!!
--------Scrappy and Shaggy walk through the gate only to end up on the same side they started on----------
Shaggy: Like, what's going on Scrappy? I could have sworn we were just here.
*Scrappy tries again and again*
Scrappy: I don't get it Shaggy, every time I go through the gate I end up back here again!
Shaggy: Like, let's get out of here!
*Shaggy and Scrappy turn around only to see the same gate now in front of them once again*
Shaggy: Mary Jane isn't really helping right now!
Scrappy:Who is she Shaggy? Shaggy: Just a timeless friend. How do we get out of here???
If an exit is what you require, then solve this riddle and obtain your desire!
"There is an ancient invention still used in some parts of the world today that allows people to see through walls.
What is it?"
A correct answer from either of you will be acceptable.
Scrappy: Shaggy, OH SHAGGY! I KNOW IT! IT'S A HAMMER, RIGHT RIGHT?
*Scrappy runs through the gate and ends up right where he was before* *Sadness spreads across his face*
Shaggy: You know, I think I just might have got it! A window!
*Shaggy walks through the gate and actually ends up INSIDE the mansion's grounds. Scrappy follows disheartendly*
Shaggy: I definitely preferred being on the other side of that gate!
What do you do now?
A) Text the others the password to the gate and wait for them to arrive. B) Explore the compound briefly for clues. C) Both (reduction in clue searching ability!)
On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote: I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning.
Official Callout.
The morning has passed and I'm still waiting for this to come to fruition.
Whew, such tired, much sleep, so wow.
As I told you guys before, I am town. Please do not waste your precious time on analyzing my posts. Derrida confirmed town.
I am assuming two scums to put significant distance between each other. I am putting Holyflare as my #1 scum candidate because the town does not gain anything from the Scooby Doo scheme and we have lost about 12 hours from its trolly fluff. This would be a win-win situation for the Mafia goons because: (1) town loses time and discussion is dulled; (2) the other scum will position himself in opposition of the game making it hard for townies to provide a clear read.
So, who was it that took the most critical position towards Holyflare and setup? GGTemplaR. Just look at his filter and his conversations with Holyflare, I bet they are laughing their asses off in the scum quicktopic like we did last game.
Any way, based on my first game as scum, I am extremely sure that one of the scums are pro scoobydoo, and the other is anti. I ask all townies to consider this insight and provide their insights as to who they think could be scums in such a scenario.
On January 10 2014 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not Artanis. I think i get what ziziyo is saying about his original suspicion on you and to me it seems like a tiwnie thought process which is really hard to emulate as mafia.
Artanis is a dog at the moment and his vote on Derrida was kinda shit too because he didn't justify it and it was a +1. Meh. They can't all be scum ~_~ I can switch artanis for giggle or mocsta to be honest. It's early and there isn't enough for me to go on properly until I can talk to them or they actually participate in finding scooby and velma T_T!
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
How is this not a specific accusation? Or a specific question or whatever? I think it pretty clearly reads he is concerned about Artanis' play and wants to know what other people think about it. no?
How is asking "what do you guys think of X doing Y?" an accusation? It's an extremely safe way to look like you're contributing to the discussion without actually putting yourself out in the open for anyone to read you or committing to any viewpoints.
On January 10 2014 06:26 Giggletummy wrote: I don't like that artanis is content to just play dog. There's no real rush on the day, but whereas you messed around and tried to get other people to mess around (townie), artanis is content to do nothing more than mess around. I don't count the non-me bark as not messing around. He also has 2 brackets in his name, and we have 2 scum.
After this post you joke around some more with HolyFlare who still hasn't given a read despite me pinging him.
Artanis actually gave a scum read (or at least, that's what I read into his barking at Derrida as) that I agree with. At least he's playing the game while trolling. HolyFlare is still trying to recruit people into his mysteryvan. How do you read Artanis scummy over HolyFlare and Derrida?
Cuz HolyFlare came into the game and made a spectacle of himself. For a couple hours into the game, that's still going to be townie for me.
Artanis DID do a little read-giving, which I like more than what rayn has done. But I don't view him barking and whatnot as determinative of anything. His more recent post looks better.
On January 10 2014 09:00 Giggletummy wrote: mocsta, any comment on the derrida suspicions?
These all fall under the same category of what you attribute to Deridadadadada being scum. Yet this guy has significantly more trolly posts inbetween and a substantially larger filter. Why is he not your target instead?
*lays down*
On January 10 2014 18:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I actually don't think GGTeMpLaR would go against all odds as scum and continuosly attack Derrida if he was scum. ##unvote
But don't you dare to tunnel him zizyo. I can tell you it's quite clear the dude is town.
Why is everyone assuming that scooby doo is ANTI-town? It helps me figure out alignments, it has generated A LOT of discussion over it for analysis and you can all have fun in the process! That is the most pro town thing that can be done. You also quite clearly have not read this game up to date if you think it has wasted any time at all, coupled with the fact that you think I haven't been participating my previous read on you is rapidly dwindling.
Please share the alignments you have figured out so far with the help of your scheme. Who are the two scums according to your analysis? EVEN IF you are townie, a game that helps only one person to figure out alignments does not benefit the town at all. As an inexperienced mafia player it has only clogged the game for me.
Anyway, previously you stated you have a townie++++ read on me, yet reply to Mocsta's calling me out by
On January 10 2014 20:35 Derrida wrote: As I told you guys before, I am town. Please do not waste your precious time on analyzing my posts. Derrida confirmed town.
because the town does not gain anything from the Scooby Doo scheme and we have lost about 12 hours from its trolly fluff. This would be a win-win situation for the Mafia goons because: (1) town loses time and discussion is dulled; (2) the other scum will position himself in opposition of the game making it hard for townies to provide a clear read.
On January 10 2014 18:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: IML = instant majority lynch.
So, who was it that took the most critical position towards Holyflare and setup? GGTemplaR. Just look at his filter and his conversations with Holyflare, I bet they are laughing their asses off in the scum quicktopic like we did last game.
Any way, based on my first game as scum, I am extremely sure that one of the scums are pro scoobydoo, and the other is anti. I ask all townies to consider this insight and provide their insights as to who they think could be scums in such a scenario.
On January 10 2014 21:06 Derrida wrote: Please share the alignments you have figured out so far with the help of your scheme. Who are the two scums according to your analysis? EVEN IF you are townie, a game that helps only one person to figure out alignments does not benefit the town at all. As an inexperienced mafia player it has only clogged the game for me.
Anyway, previously you stated you have a townie++++ read on me, yet reply to Mocsta's calling me out by
Mocsta "officially called you out" rofl. What benefit does typing that post have on the game in any way? Does it make you arrive at the thread any quicker? No. Does it propose new ideas on why he thinks you are scum? No. Does it solve the rest of the game if you are scum? No.
It was a totally useless post that filled time and had no net benefit to posting it - something scum typically do.
Also, If you don't know who I am calling scum THEN YOU HAVE NOT READ THE GAME. I have 4 pages of filter and all you have to do is click on it and find out that really, the last 2 pages of my filter have been almost all analysis on trying to solve the game. So to return to the thread with your half-assed accusation on me with blatant disregard to the entirety of what's gone on in your absence really REALLY makes me reconsider my read on you.
I know you're new and are learning the ropes but a connection theory between 2 unflipped players is generally regarded as really bad in the community as you are basing your entire read on unknown information. So when you come back saying that I am your scum read so there has to be a scum who take takes the opposite stance to me is verging on the crazy. You can't possibly know that UNLESS 1 of the scum is actually taking a stance against me and you are using that information for your attack on me.
I would be gathering A LOT more information from people playing scooby doo if they actually played along instead of criticising it. I have already gained much information based on responses though so it has most definitely had a net benefit.
Mocsta seems very buddy buddy with giggle, weirdly so.
I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.
This is not analysis, this is just babbling. Do you honestly expect two scums to act like buddies at the start of the game? I don't think anyone can be this naive, you are just swinging wild accusations based on what? "exp of mafia games"? what does that even mean? Please provide clear and logical analysis before accusing people of not reading the game.
*goes into a pet shop, buys scooby snacks and a clicker*
I consistently play with half of the people in this game so when I say something is off about a player many of the people can also spot that and so I do not need to elaborate. You are misconstruing what I mean by buddying because you aren't trying to make these connections yourself. I have quite clearly analysed when i say a player acts differently towards one player than all the rest and yes buddying on that micro scale is a very common subconscious trait for scum to do.
You are also ignoring a lot of what has been going on. If I am scum, why does templar then become scum too? You state that the person that is most against scooby doo is most likely scum but that was not templar as he /in'd to the game. That would be giggle and thus I must be bussing which is also retarded in this setup. When you misquote my actual analysis to make it look worse you are only looking worse yourself when people reread the game
So you claim that your analysis is correct and mine is faulty based solely on the fact that you are the more experienced player and that you "consistently play with half of the people in this game" and that I am unable to make the connections that you are able to due to your experience. If this is not just scummy town manipulation, I don't know what is. I rest my case.
Look i try to explain. Holyflare's mini game is not a scum tell. You guys are calling it a scum tell because it distracts the thread while in fact it has promoted the most useful discussion there is. It started the scumhunting discussion. I don't know what thread you are reading if that's not your conclusion.
Besides that Holyflare has been one of the most productive and sharing players in this game. I know what his read on every player is, pretty much. Same can't be said about Giggletummy, Mocsta and Artanis (and to some extent you, although i believe you think other people are town besided HF/ziziyo).
Your reasoning for the connection theory is bad, because the original assumption / analysis is incorrect. Holyflare's mini game is not alignment indicative. There is no town/scum motive over the other for it. The results in itself prove it. If Holyflare kept on with his game and did nothing else and didn't play the actual mafia game then you could call him scum for not scumhunting, but that's not the case. In addition to that he is right in saying mafia does not want to bus. It might not be 100% correct assumption but taking completely different sides and calling each other mafia as mafia is the worst way to play this setup, just because mafia wins the game if they lynch 2 townies and if they bus on D1 they give the town 2 mislynches + 6 irl-days of extra time to figure out the game. It's a big nono.
Mafia does not want to call other mafia scum, at least this early in the game. The town credit they could claim is not enough to cover the risk of losing a member and giving town more time to solve the game. If you accuse your scumbuddy you know they are scum and your accusation is most likely correct (unless you want to make yourself look bad by saying stupid stuff). You risk losing a member for nothing, when you can just "try to figure out the game" and attack some poor townie, like i assume at least one mafioso is doing right now by attacking you. Because what you are saying makes very little sense. That does not however mean you are mafia.
Mocsta and Artanis should know better, i have no clue who Giggletummy is.
On January 10 2014 22:13 Derrida wrote: Not necessarily as the person to whom the question is addressed would not know if you answered my inquiry truthfully or not.
And what purpose would it serve if i lied to you? It would be nothing but stupid.
On January 10 2014 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look i try to explain. Holyflare's mini game is not a scum tell. You guys are calling it a scum tell because it distracts the thread while in fact it has promoted the most useful discussion there is. It started the scumhunting discussion. I don't know what thread you are reading if that's not your conclusion.
Besides that Holyflare has been one of the most productive and sharing players in this game. I know what his read on every player is, pretty much. Same can't be said about Giggletummy, Mocsta and Artanis (and to some extent you, although i believe you think other people are town besided HF/ziziyo).
Your reasoning for the connection theory is bad, because the original assumption / analysis is incorrect. Holyflare's mini game is not alignment indicative. There is no town/scum motive over the other for it. The results in itself prove it. If Holyflare kept on with his game and did nothing else and didn't play the actual mafia game then you could call him scum for not scumhunting, but that's not the case. In addition to that he is right in saying mafia does not want to bus. It might not be 100% correct assumption but taking completely different sides and calling each other mafia as mafia is the worst way to play this setup, just because mafia wins the game if they lynch 2 townies and if they bus on D1 they give the town 2 mislynches + 6 irl-days of extra time to figure out the game. It's a big nono.
Mafia does not want to call other mafia scum, at least this early in the game. The town credit they could claim is not enough to cover the risk of losing a member and giving town more time to solve the game. If you accuse your scumbuddy you know they are scum and your accusation is most likely correct (unless you want to make yourself look bad by saying stupid stuff). You risk losing a member for nothing, when you can just "try to figure out the game" and attack some poor townie, like i assume at least one mafioso is doing right now by attacking you. Because what you are saying makes very little sense. That does not however mean you are mafia.
Mocsta and Artanis should know better, i have no clue who Giggletummy is.
On January 10 2014 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta
##unvote: ##Vote: Artanis In either way 2/3 of Artanis/Giggle/Mocsta are scum so i don't really care. No playing is not playing and should warrant a lynch.
On January 11 2014 01:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote: ##Vote: Artanis In either way 2/3 of Artanis/Giggle/Mocsta are scum so i don't really care. No playing is not playing and should warrant a lynch.
From reading the comments on Amber's postgame I found people thought the restriction was lame. A new posting restriction has been applied And a scum suspect has been supplied.
Rayn's posting history is poor Votes with little arguments are his door He has barely been hunting for scum Yet posted more than a small sum.
A large post is his offense Yet little explanation for his vote provides little sense My vote on him is the consequence.
Derrida is quote obviously town and you and Mocsta should see it.
You are not willing to contribute towards lynching mafia by giving reads on Giggletummy and Mocsta, and i believe there are two scum between you three because Holyflare and ziziyo also look really town for reasons i have already put in the thread.
Your posts also say pretty much nothing because as i said quoting a post and calling it scummy is not a case and does not help anyone.
So yeah, process of elimination and your unwillingness to help the town or interact with people.
Derrida is not obviously town Any town who says so is a clown My suspects I have told On Giggletummy and Mocsta I am not sold
Your posts contain unnaturally high amounts of fluff For you to be town, it is tough Interest in continuing this conduct, I am not You are scum, you have been caught.
Can you show me what parts of my posts are fluff? My big post was purely directed to Derrida because he obviously was doing something dumb. And no, there is no way he is mafia, you can take my word for it.
On January 10 2014 20:59 Holyflare wrote: Why is everyone assuming that scooby doo is ANTI-town? It helps me figure out alignments, it has generated A LOT of discussion over it for analysis and you can all have fun in the process! That is the most pro town thing that can be done. You also quite clearly have not read this game up to date if you think it has wasted any time at all, coupled with the fact that you think I haven't been participating my previous read on you is rapidly dwindling.
It's not an assumption. I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up. It also encourages rayn to add fluff now too. Regardless of what posting scooby doo stuff does for you, it has an effect on the rest of the thread, and it may not be helpful for everyone. Let alone the fact that people aren't "assuming" your scooby doo stuff to be anti-town, some people just think it is. Not an assumption, an opinion. For instance, I think it's anti-town right now.
I would be gathering A LOT more information from people playing scooby doo if they actually played along instead of criticising it. I have already gained much information based on responses though so it has most definitely had a net benefit.
For instance, this is your opinion. You would be in a better spot if people played along. But other people may disagree. They're not assuming differently, they're not necessarily scummy for disagreeing, you are both assuming different things.
@everyone that isn't HF, #HF
On January 10 2014 21:16 Holyflare wrote: I know you're new and are learning the ropes but a connection theory between 2 unflipped players is generally regarded as really bad in the community as you are basing your entire read on unknown information. So when you come back saying that I am your scum read so there has to be a scum who take takes the opposite stance to me is verging on the crazy. You can't possibly know that UNLESS 1 of the scum is actually taking a stance against me and you are using that information for your attack on me.
On January 10 2014 21:20 Derrida wrote: Jesus, I have read your god damn filter.
I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.
This is not analysis, this is just babbling. Do you honestly expect two scums to act like buddies at the start of the game? I don't think anyone can be this naive, you are just swinging wild accusations based on what? "exp of mafia games"? what does that even mean? Please provide clear and logical analysis before accusing people of not reading the game.
*goes into a pet shop, buys scooby snacks and a clicker*
*friendly rhinoceros noises*
Holyflare attacks derrida for drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Holyflare has been drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Derrida does not turn hard on this and bop HF, but it's there.
I don't care who you are; that's scummy right there.
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote: First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense.
This is a poor way to scumhunt, and is going to lead you down a lot of wrong paths. You can assume anyone is scum and find reasons that their actions are then scummy. If you're mafia, it's how you make decent-sounding scum reads. If you're town, it's how you tunnel, often incorrectly. It's not at all a good way to get scumreads, because if you're town you're doing exactly what mafia would like to be doing, and you're starting with someone being scum and then finding actions, rather than using actions to find someone scummy in the first place.
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote).
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
*barks aggressively*
to which you responded
On January 10 2014 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I like Artanis because I think he just sniffed out the second scum.
I'll be back in a few hours.
Are you saying that you considered artanis's initial barking a concrete/solid scumread? Are you saying you presented your thoughts on derrida? Or does the bolded bit of your later quote only apply to later posts? Would like to see you back this bit up.
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote).
Now don't respond right now, wait until GG gets a chance to reply. But hold onto that scent and let me know what it smelled like and what the response smells like once made.
I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up.
Take a look at your own filter at the start of the game. Do you want to stand behind this statement?
On January 11 2014 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you show me what parts of my posts are fluff? My big post was purely directed to Derrida because he obviously was doing something dumb. And no, there is no way he is mafia, you can take my word for it.
The entirety of page 1 of your filter.
And at least this post, which was your first real post.
On January 10 2014 16:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why i think GGTeMpLaR is mafia:
On January 10 2014 04:46 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Holyflare is my scumtell right now because he presumes to act like a confirmed town without having actually made any contributions to town himself. He just keeps asking for others to find clues for him.
Not to mention his first post lead to the great scoobydoo spam of 2014. His trolly attitude came off as relaxed and confident townie on the surface, but the intentions and consequences were ultimately anti-town in my eyes.
On January 10 2014 05:02 GGTeMpLaR wrote: The consequences are the 2 pages of scoobydoo roleplaying and off-shoot trolling that resulted from the silly atmosphere which just reads null all-round to me.
The intentions were to produce this amount of fluff that we have to sift through to get reads + the added effect that he initially comes off as a relaxed/confident townie despite not having presented any unique game-related content.
First of all, he is accusing Holyflare of promoting shitting up the thread. This is a completely inaccurate accusation. Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell.
Second, nobody is forced to play along with Holyflare's Scooby-doo game if they do not want to. But GGTeMpLaR himself enters the van. He is himself promoting the "shitting up the thread" that Holyflare can't possibly stop because Holyflare is not responsible for other people's actions.
- GGTeMpLaR calls Holyflare scummy for shitting up the thread -> but the joins the shitting up the thread instead of stopping him. - GGTeMpLaR says Holyflare is responsible for shitting up the thread when nobody is forced to play the game. If someone is responsible for shitting up the thread it's all the people who +1 Holyflare's game, not Holyflare. - Both of above are incorrect logic and looks like GGTeMpLaR is just trying to find an easy target rather than find people's motives behind their actions.
In bold, you make two points. No intervening text, and then in italics, you make the same exact two points again.
On January 11 2014 03:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Giggletummy i find it funny you say this:
I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up.
Take a look at your own filter at the start of the game. Do you want to stand behind this statement?
100%
Ask me if every statement I've ever made in this game is pro-town.
Your other suspicions of players aren't as fluffy as this, but filling out your reads with repetitive comments is a nice way to make it look like your filter is more productive than it is.
On January 10 2014 17:39 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I didn't read his opening post as town at all. This is actually my second forum game too but you didn't see me trying to use that to gain favor in my intro post, I actually started trying to find scum. I still think Derrida is likely scum until he responds to my concerns or provides something that reads more town to me.
I really don't like my arguments being misrepresented by either you or HolyFlare, but I still think the way HolyFlare reacted to my pressure read more townie than the way a mafia might react.
I will say that I think HolyFlare's logic for why he is confirmed town for getting to L-1 is circumstantial evidence in my opinion. Three people scumread him and three people had nothing to say about him. I don't think that in-of-itself reads anything but null.
There is nothing circumstantial whatsoever. My alignment is confirmed to myself (and others if they read the game(s)) and so I can remove myself from the equation.
There is not a chance in sweet sweet hell that a bus occurs that fast into the day based on the same evidence appearing from every person on that wagon with such little filter from a person. No credit would be gained and they lose a potential ally. So either he is scum in which case rayn or giggletummy are mafia (something that doesn't seem that likely so far) or he is town (which is much much more probable) and by process of elimination at least 1 mafia are in the group of Templar, Artanis and Mocsta.
Not full association, but assuming there's no early bus and saying if Derrida is mafia then rayn or I are mafia, or if he is town then Templar/Artanis/Mocsta is mafia. Association based on votes, which is more concrete but is still drawing conclusions on assumptions and also setting out big, unhelpful groups of people.
On January 10 2014 18:28 Holyflare wrote: IML is instant majority lynch (which this game is). When a person reaches a majority that person is INSTANTLY LYNCHED. Thus it is extremely dangerous to leave your votes on people if you do not have full information on them yet.
On January 10 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Holyflare who's Giggletummy's scumbuddy? Mocsta soft-bussing? Seems good to you?
Mocsta seems very buddy buddy with giggle, weirdly so. A lot of people were around (yes a lot of it was scooby related at the time) but he took his time out from trolling to only address Giggle posts. I like to think Mocsta has a longing crush on giggle too, evidence can be found:
On January 10 2014 09:56 Mocsta wrote: But you aren't the medic.
*goes off to cry in a corner*
@Giggly/WoS Where'd ya go?
He only addresses people that he knows (me and artanis etc) with heuristics from voice games (yes, elements of trolling etc etc) but doesn't attempt to involve us in discussion either in favour of discussion with giggle (who I've just proven to be... not so towny looking).
I don't like mocsta's vote either (was it L-1 or L-2??) he gets frustrated in voice games when people start voting so fast and he should know not to do it in a forum game without discussion especially as there is ample time to discuss. His case was also very lackluster.
This is, to a decent extent, drawing an association between you and I.
On January 10 2014 18:32 Holyflare wrote: I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.
Again, mocsta and I are mafia, and it seems that a decent proportion of his suspicion is because mocsta responds to my posts.
On January 11 2014 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well my associations are that 2 of you/Mocsta/Artanis are scum because other people are town. dealwithit.
none of you three is making better posts than two other and you all fail to give your reads on the other two.
Why are you misconstruing everything I say as association? I found what you were doing early game (posting multiple questions and free town reads while trolling even though you disliked fluff) to be something that I see as not towny. Mocsta's posts are just plain scummy. There is no association at all. If he buddies you it could be because you are town or mafia, I did not draw any conclusions from that at all as the basis of my reads are from your individual play.
The fact you are bringing this up and investing so much of your time into discrediting me rather than scum hunting is cute though. Derrida is clearly a worse candidate for association cases but there really isn't much mention of him at all from you recently. Derrida almost got lynched today but you haven't been asking him questions or addressing that situation at all.
On January 11 2014 02:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Derrida is not obviously town Any town who says so is a clown My suspects I have told On Giggletummy and Mocsta I am not sold
Your posts contain unnaturally high amounts of fluff For you to be town, it is tough Interest in continuing this conduct, I am not You are scum, you have been caught.
Why have you imposed a self restricting posting style which adds nothing to helping us determine what you are? Talking in verse is obviously not helpful to us and you are accusing rayn who is arguably doing the most at the moment. Why are you not discussing anything else with anyone? You're playing your own game of "J'accuse!" but not actually participating in a game of mafia.
Please explain to me your distaste of both Giggletummy and Mocsta.
Rayn has 4 pages of filter and the majority of it is not spam. He imposes a "pretty dragon" rule (WHERE WAS MY CREDIT FOR THIS YOU BITCH) to try and force people to give a read on someone when the counter reaches 5. That is PRO TOWN becuase it forces people to actually participate in the god damn game, which seemingly at the moment nobody is keen to do.
On January 11 2014 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well my associations are that 2 of you/Mocsta/Artanis are scum because other people are town. dealwithit.
none of you three is making better posts than two other and you all fail to give your reads on the other two.
On January 11 2014 03:39 Giggletummy wrote: The game is already solved. We just need to convince cora to let us see the solution.
Next, rayn follows a thought process of "eliminate town people and find scum", this is when his next dragon enters the field (the speak about 3 random reads thing), he eliminated town reads down to his 3 scum reads and tried to make them talk about each other to further narrow down the suspects. Yet, surprisingly, those 3 provide VERY VERY lackluster responses about the other 2.
all 3 of these people provide the shittest responses anyone could ever imagine to rayn trying to solve the game, artanis even goes so far as to ACCUSE rayn of doing nothing???? When nobody wants to participate in fucking finding scum of course it limits our options. Yet, not, his vote is on the person who is displaying towny thought processes and is playing the game rather than elaborate on Mocsta/Giggletummy.
It's weirding me out how sure Rayn/HolyFlare are so convinced of each other, but I liked them both a lot more after they reasoned out their arguments against me around Derrida so I'm just going to go with them for now until suspicion leads me to think otherwise because the unlikely alternative is they're playing the best mafia team game in the history of ever. I don't think one town/one mafia is extremely likely based on how sure they are of each other's alignments.
I read Derrida's new posts as scummy because it seems like he's intentionally tunneling on HolyFlare because Holy/Rayn both said "GGTeMpLaR wouldn't tunnel so hard on Derrida if he were town" so he's trying to emulate a behavior by one player that read as town to other players.
On January 10 2014 21:06 Derrida wrote: Please share the alignments you have figured out so far with the help of your scheme.
I'll grant him that this is true because all of the alignments HolyFlare have pointed out are based on things that are from the actual game and have nothing to do with scooby doo, despite his insistence that scooby doo game is solving the game.
It does feel a little bit like he's sheeping the argument I already had against the scooby doo game though, but he brought up a lot of points that (even if I don't really agree with them) are unique. I'm less confident in my scumread on Derrida today, but I still think he's scummy.
On January 10 2014 22:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Look i try to explain. Holyflare's mini game is not a scum tell. You guys are calling it a scum tell because it distracts the thread while in fact it has promoted the most useful discussion there is. It started the scumhunting discussion. I don't know what thread you are reading if that's not your conclusion.
This specific part of the post is wrong. Me going hard on Holy, then Derrida is what started the scumhunting discussion and forced people to start expressing their thoughts on the matter.
On January 11 2014 02:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Derrida is quote obviously town and you and Mocsta should see it.
So yeah, process of elimination and your unwillingness to help the town or interact with people.
I disagree.
Also, if you think there are 2/3 scum between Artanis/Mocsta/Giggle and Artanis confidently and fearlessly continues his troll and gives null reads on both of them, do you honestly think he's scum with one of them and doing that? It would be an extremely bold play for a mafia to make in that situation and I still think he's right to not clear Derrida as town as you and HolyFlare have.
On January 11 2014 03:16 Giggletummy wrote: @ggtemplar
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote: First, I made an educated guess about his intentions when I scumread him. Under the assumption that HolyFlare is scum, I think my guess about his intentions made perfect sense.
This is a poor way to scumhunt, and is going to lead you down a lot of wrong paths. You can assume anyone is scum and find reasons that their actions are then scummy. If you're mafia, it's how you make decent-sounding scum reads. If you're town, it's how you tunnel, often incorrectly. It's not at all a good way to get scumreads, because if you're town you're doing exactly what mafia would like to be doing, and you're starting with someone being scum and then finding actions, rather than using actions to find someone scummy in the first place.
On January 10 2014 17:12 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Second, I pointed out before I don't care if people are going to troll as long as they are going to give concrete reads and play the game as well (hence why I actually approved of Artanis even though he was acting like a dog - he gave a solid scumread that lined up with my thoughts and quoted the same post I had issue with, even going so far as bolding the significant portion of the quote).
On January 10 2014 05:09 Derrida wrote: ^ Agreed, I am disliking this amount of fluff. We need to get back to reads. What do you guys think about Artanis playing along with the Scooby Doo scheme?
On January 10 2014 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I like Artanis because I think he just sniffed out the second scum.
I'll be back in a few hours.
Are you saying that you considered artanis's initial barking a concrete/solid scumread? Are you saying you presented your thoughts on derrida? Or does the bolded bit of your later quote only apply to later posts? Would like to see you back this bit up.
I wasn't necessarily using that method to scumhunt. I was responding to HolyFlare that using his own logic from my perspective, a different conclusion is reached because the alignment of non-voters vs voters is proportioned differently from someone who was voting vs someone who wasn't.
It's really scummy of you to completely ignore/forget the context in which I said I made that assumption. Rayne had said that "Holyflare's intentions are still unclear, so him doing what he did is a null-tell." which is a fairly obvious thing to state but I was explicitly asked what I thought HolyFlare's (I think it might have even been by you who asked this of me) intentions were and given that I already initially scumread HolyFlare, I would work from my read to guess what his intentions are.
I assumed the post fairly obviously looked scummy so when Artanis bark'd at the same post in question I had a lot of issues with, I took it to mean that we were thinking along the same line of reasoning regarding why Derrida was initially scummy. Perhaps I was wrong to assume so as his newer reasons for scumreading Derrida are different than mine, but I think we were on the same page regarding the initial scumread.
That leaves between Giggle who is slightly scummy and Mocsta who is basically lurking for the last scum. It's really risky for Mocsta to have voted on Derrida though in L-1 so it's more likely to be Giggle with Derrida (which makes sense that he defended him as well).
And by defended I mean saved him without ever actually having to give reads on why he thought he was town + he didn't address or take a stance on Derrida's new posts at all despite being the one who asked for us to unvote so he could respond.
GG, how do you feel about the filters that HF posted?
How do you feel about the rest of derrida's filter, other than the couple posts you mentioned in your initial vote. Pull some specific things if you would.
On January 10 2014 20:59 Holyflare wrote: Why is everyone assuming that scooby doo is ANTI-town? It helps me figure out alignments, it has generated A LOT of discussion over it for analysis and you can all have fun in the process! That is the most pro town thing that can be done. You also quite clearly have not read this game up to date if you think it has wasted any time at all, coupled with the fact that you think I haven't been participating my previous read on you is rapidly dwindling.
It's not an assumption. I personally find all the extra fluff to be anti-town. It adds pages, provides things to do for people that aren't scumhunting (even if you are using it for a purpose), and it fluffs your filter up. It also encourages rayn to add fluff now too. Regardless of what posting scooby doo stuff does for you, it has an effect on the rest of the thread, and it may not be helpful for everyone. Let alone the fact that people aren't "assuming" your scooby doo stuff to be anti-town, some people just think it is. Not an assumption, an opinion. For instance, I think it's anti-town right now.
I would be gathering A LOT more information from people playing scooby doo if they actually played along instead of criticising it. I have already gained much information based on responses though so it has most definitely had a net benefit.
For instance, this is your opinion. You would be in a better spot if people played along. But other people may disagree. They're not assuming differently, they're not necessarily scummy for disagreeing, you are both assuming different things. @everyone that isn't HF, #HF
On January 10 2014 21:16 Holyflare wrote: I know you're new and are learning the ropes but a connection theory between 2 unflipped players is generally regarded as really bad in the community as you are basing your entire read on unknown information. So when you come back saying that I am your scum read so there has to be a scum who take takes the opposite stance to me is verging on the crazy. You can't possibly know that UNLESS 1 of the scum is actually taking a stance against me and you are using that information for your attack on me.
On January 10 2014 21:20 Derrida wrote: Jesus, I have read your god damn filter.
Mocsta seems very buddy buddy with giggle, weirdly so.
I can see a team of Giggle/Mocsta/Templar (obviously eliminating one) although judged on exp of mafia games (I don't think i've seen templar play?) he looks more tunelled than anything else and also seems confused about the implications of the setup whereas Mocsta definitely knows better. At an early stage such as now a Giggle/Mocsta team is looking mighty plausible.
This is not analysis, this is just babbling. Do you honestly expect two scums to act like buddies at the start of the game? I don't think anyone can be this naive, you are just swinging wild accusations based on what? "exp of mafia games"? what does that even mean? Please provide clear and logical analysis before accusing people of not reading the game.
*goes into a pet shop, buys scooby snacks and a clicker*
*friendly rhinoceros noises*
Holyflare attacks derrida for drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Holyflare has been drawing conclusions between unflipped players. Derrida does not turn hard on this and bop HF, but it's there.
I don't care who you are; that's scummy right there.
Why have you told people to vote me based on stuff that wasn't even true but not put a vote down yourself?
Specifically, I do think you've drawn some associations between players. You certainly have, in looking at who mocsta did or didn't respond to. Grabbing derrida's other game makes you look good though, and I agree with your statements that the two filters look different. That act alone is more than enough to make you a poor D1 lynch candidate in my opinion.
On January 11 2014 08:10 Giggletummy wrote: Specifically, I do think you've drawn some associations between players. You certainly have, in looking at who mocsta did or didn't respond to. Grabbing derrida's other game makes you look good though, and I agree with your statements that the two filters look different. That act alone is more than enough to make you a poor D1 lynch candidate in my opinion.
Are you trying to portray my "associative tells" as bad because acting differently to a certain person is definitely substantial compared to derrida who drew associative tells based on.....? Yes, absolutely nothing. Yet you jumped on ME for that instead of him. Why is that? Why have you still failed to address anything that has happened surrounding derrida's almost lynch, his scummyness of his first posts to some people or his play thus far. All you have done is pretty much +1 what i've been saying now.
On January 11 2014 08:10 Giggletummy wrote: Specifically, I do think you've drawn some associations between players. You certainly have, in looking at who mocsta did or didn't respond to. Grabbing derrida's other game makes you look good though, and I agree with your statements that the two filters look different. That act alone is more than enough to make you a poor D1 lynch candidate in my opinion.
Are you trying to portray my "associative tells" as bad because acting differently to a certain person is definitely substantial compared to derrida who drew associative tells based on.....? Yes, absolutely nothing. Yet you jumped on ME for that instead of him. Why is that? Why have you still failed to address anything that has happened surrounding derrida's almost lynch, his scummyness of his first posts to some people or his play thus far. All you have done is pretty much +1 what i've been saying now.
I don't care about anyone else's drawing of associative tells because I don't care about associative tells in a vacuum.
I care that you make associations between mocsta and others while saying not to draw associative tells.
I think you're confusing linking 2 players together as an association of alignment with linking 2 people together based on suspicious behaviour. I drawn no conclusions of alignment from mocsta's choice of person to change his style on whereas derrida does based on interaction of unflipped players.
On January 11 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote: I think you're confusing linking 2 players together as an association of alignment with linking 2 people together based on suspicious behaviour. I drawn no conclusions of alignment from mocsta's choice of person to change his style on whereas derrida does based on interaction of unflipped players.
Again, don't care why anyone is drawing associations, on what grounds, for the purposes of my comment on you. Only that you say not to while doing so.
On January 11 2014 07:58 Giggletummy wrote: GG, how do you feel about the filters that HF posted?
How do you feel about the rest of derrida's filter, other than the couple posts you mentioned in your initial vote. Pull some specific things if you would.
I think he might be reading too much into Rayn's 'pretty' mini-game in light of his overall play, but regardless of that, I think Rayn's playful post made it slightly easier the scum to hide without actually obliging his pings for information because they can just ignore the request on the pretext that it's a joke post to begin with.
HolyLight made the accusation much more direct though if he was right in saying that is what Rayn was getting at.
I think instead of asking me what I thought of his accusations against three people who refuse to commit to reads on each other (one of which is yourself), you should actually address them yourself since they very much are against you. The very fact that you're still ignoring them and pinging me for my opinion of it reads scummy to me. If you're town in this situation you should have no problem giving your reads on Mocsta/Artanis. Artanis didn't mind at all, even if they were null/fence reads he still honestly gave them. You're stubbornly refusing/dodging the pressure while Mocsta is still lurking.
Regarding the newer Derrida posts, I already gave my thoughts that they were scummy.
I read Derrida's new posts as scummy because it seems like he's intentionally tunneling on HolyFlare because Holy/Rayn both said "GGTeMpLaR wouldn't tunnel so hard on Derrida if he were town" so he's trying to emulate a behavior by one player that read as town to other players.
On January 10 2014 21:06 Derrida wrote: Please share the alignments you have figured out so far with the help of your scheme.
I'll grant him that this is true because all of the alignments HolyFlare have pointed out are based on things that are from the actual game and have nothing to do with scooby doo, despite his insistence that scooby doo game is solving the game.
It does feel a little bit like he's sheeping the argument I already had against the scooby doo game though, but he brought up a lot of points that (even if I don't really agree with them) are unique. I'm less confident in my scumread on Derrida today, but I still think he's scummy.
If you'd like me to further elaborate on his new posts, I think his saying this further feels like trying to sheep people to 'blend in' to the town.
On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote: I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning.
Official Callout.
The morning has passed and I'm still waiting for this to come to fruition.
As I told you guys before, I am town. Please do not waste your precious time on analyzing my posts. Derrida confirmed town.
His assumption for why HolyFlare is scum is literally the same argument I had with HolyFlare last night, except he's actually arguing what Holy/Rayn thought I was arguing when I was arguing something else. I also think it's scummy how he accused me of being with Holy for taking the most critical position against him.
The only way I see him not being scum here is if he's paranoid town, and if that's the case, I'd think you are with Mocsta, which explains your unwillingness to acknowledge of HolyFlare's accusation against you by deflecting onto me and continued refusal to give any reads on the pair of Mocsta/Artanis.
You just keep asking me questions about my reads without giving any of yours, and when you do critique my posts, you don't even get the context right of the arguments you use against me. When corrected by me pointing out the context, you ignore my counter-arguments and ask me more questions.
On January 11 2014 09:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote: You just keep asking me questions about my reads without giving any of yours, and when you do critique my posts, you don't even get the context right of the arguments you use against me. When corrected by me pointing out the context, you ignore my counter-arguments and ask me more questions.
My dear gg, it is difficult to ask you anything other than question. I cannot very well ask you platypi, or ask you trees. No no, that won't do. I'm afraid I'll stick to asking questions.
Did you read derrida's filter from his newbie game?
On January 11 2014 09:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote: You just keep asking me questions about my reads without giving any of yours, and when you do critique my posts, you don't even get the context right of the arguments you use against me. When corrected by me pointing out the context, you ignore my counter-arguments and ask me more questions.
My dear gg, it is difficult to ask you anything other than question. I cannot very well ask you platypi, or ask you trees. No no, that won't do. I'm afraid I'll stick to asking questions.
Did you read derrida's filter from his newbie game?
What are your thoughts on whether or not I read derrida's filter from his newbie game? How would a "yes" answer from me lead you to read me compared to a "no" answer from me?
And more importantly, how is this relevant to your read on Mocsta/Artanis?
On January 11 2014 09:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote: You just keep asking me questions about my reads without giving any of yours, and when you do critique my posts, you don't even get the context right of the arguments you use against me. When corrected by me pointing out the context, you ignore my counter-arguments and ask me more questions.
My dear gg, it is difficult to ask you anything other than question. I cannot very well ask you platypi, or ask you trees. No no, that won't do. I'm afraid I'll stick to asking questions.
Did you read derrida's filter from his newbie game?
What are your thoughts on whether or not I read derrida's filter from his newbie game? How would a "yes" answer from me lead you to read me compared to a "no" answer from me?
And more importantly, how is this relevant to your read on Mocsta/Artanis?
Gotta give short answer for a moment. You were scummy on derrida. HF posted his stuff. You said you hadn't looked at past games. You told someone else, when asked, that you would look at them.
You never commented on them. You came back today, and were still calling him scummy. So there's something relevant to everyone else in derrida's filters that you are either disregarding for no reason, or refusing to look at. When this guy is a scumread of yours.
I had actually said even if the style is different, I didn't think that it would clear him as town because I think people can change playstyle, especially when they first start out and they're going to be learning a lot from every consecutive game.
Ok having browsed through the other game's filter, Derrida does seem much more relaxed and laid-back this game with less "forced content" whereas his diction seemed a lot more stiff in the last game. They aren't night and day styles but they're still fairly different.
I'm not going to townread him based on that fact alone but he's not my vote for today anyways.
Here is his filter in B2B. (I suggest reading up to page 4 or 5 to get a general jist of how he hunts for scum as town)
Notice on pages 3 and 4 how he initiates discussion about EVERY player that he thinks is scummy or worth mentioning, now, once you have read that I want you to reread everything that has happened in his filter in this game, Mocsta's filter.
I specifically want to draw your attention to his attitude in this game, specifically all the aura of not giving a crap what happens. Look at this for example:
On January 10 2014 12:56 Derrida wrote: I am town you noobs, unvote me. Currently 5 am here just woke up because my cat is horny and meowing her ass off, do not, I repeat do not lynch me and I will try to provide some good reads intfhe morning.
Official Callout.
The morning has passed and I'm still waiting for this to come to fruition.
We already know that he is suspicious of Derrida because of his vote on him and intent to lynch based on being the L-1 vote. Yet, what does this post achieve? Absolutely nothing. Derrida isn't going to feel threatened by it, it doesn't attempt to solve the game and it doesn't add anything to anyones capacity to read himself. So why do it? It's an attempt to appear to post while actually not caring about the game. Typical attitude of rolling scum when you don't want to.
To the people that may not know mocsta well, we play voice mafia an awful lot on the TL teamspeak and so I know how frustrated he gets when he is town and people pile onto a person without discussion and end up quick voting off people in an instant majority lynch. Yet, here we are in this game and he votes a person with 8 posts in his filter with the intent to lynch him by being the L-1 voter. That is extremely dangerous and I know he knows better than to do that without more information as town.
Mocsta has played enough town games that I'd like to look through more than just the one, but noted. Second point I don't care about, because following up on a suspicion or pointing out broken promises often a townie thing to do, shows he's staying with his read, knows what Derrida has been saying, and is trying to get more out of Derrida. Voice mafia stuff or IML stuff I can't comment on.
On January 11 2014 10:44 Giggletummy wrote: Mocsta has played enough town games that I'd like to look through more than just the one, but noted. Second point I don't care about, because following up on a suspicion or pointing out broken promises often a townie thing to do, shows he's staying with his read, knows what Derrida has been saying, and is trying to get more out of Derrida. Voice mafia stuff or IML stuff I can't comment on.
and I been clear I don't have high motivations to play over the weekend regardless.
HF case, if you can call it one, is terrible.
His case apparently is founded upon meta -- but takes into account zero scum games, nor a variety of town games. It is far from a meta case.
The rest of the case has been dispelled by Giggletummy in 1 line. I see no need to reiterate this.
Regarding the L-1. 2 points
#1 I was working off Corazon vote count, which did not specify Derrida was @ 2 votes already. #2 Someone has to L-1 eventually regardless. Why is that even scummy? My accusation was clearly outlined; hence, I am walking what I am talking.
Frankly, I expect more from Holyflare in general.
Do I think this case makes HF scum? Yes, I'm starting to lean that way.
When I think about the context of this; HF ahs given "confirmed town" status to a specific player with only 5-6 posts and is now using that as a medium to launch into players that disagree.
#1 If town, its absolutely stupid to have that type of conviction on a read so early on #2 If scum, its a convenient method to appear as interested in the game.
Regarding Derrida: I will follow up later on when I can be bothered.
On January 11 2014 10:44 Giggletummy wrote: Mocsta has played enough town games that I'd like to look through more than just the one, but noted. Second point I don't care about, because following up on a suspicion or pointing out broken promises often a townie thing to do, shows he's staying with his read, knows what Derrida has been saying, and is trying to get more out of Derrida. Voice mafia stuff or IML stuff I can't comment on.
So your conclusion....?
Mocsta made a couple posts when I commented on derrida being x-1, not knowing that derrida was x-1. Either he was pulling our legs and is, indeed, a very naughty Mocsta, or he really didn't know where voting stood. Scum should be following voting? So should town! But his multiple posts on the vote count look townie.
He is not my comrade, but if he were my comrade, I would think "that is my comrade." Perhaps if we were on a boat, it would be more clear? All is clear when on a boat. Yes. Yes yes.
His town games are much more involved, this is true. His scum games are also more involved. Also, some of his posts in this Newbie make me giggle.
The vote count stuff is meh. Him not posting much is meh because it doesn't fit either alignment of mocsta from what I've read. Him following up on Derrida looks town to me.
I'd much prefer to vote rayn >_>
He's quiet for a rayn. He's unopinionated for a rayn. Reads derrida's other game, scum game, and finds different mindset. Calls GG mafia, doesn't ever bother to give GG the same treatment (GG has one past game, was mafia). Then calls GG town because GG wouldn't be tunneled in on derrida as mafia, but doesn't give mocsta the same treatment (mocsta's filter, to me, reads relatively tunneled in on derrida, despite whatever anyone else posts). I find his filter very fluffy, but don't remember rayn being a fluff guy. Then he spends a bunch of time 8-9 hours ago farting around with me, but mostly just farting. He's commenting on my stuff, but not really doing anything else (check his last page of filter, lots of banter with me but it's just banter, he's never calling me scum, or looking at anyone else's posts really, he's just in the thread and chatting but never moving anywhere).
He treats (derrida/gg) and (gg/mocsta) inconsistently, imo. He posts a lot of useless troll/fluff posts, and then recently just posts a bunch of rudderless stuff. His read/vote on GG is lacking, as I already pointed out it's just two minor points repeated, then he jumps to two of (mocsta/artanis/myself), while, imo, not bothering to try and read artanis's posts and bantering with me but never really developing anything more solid.
While you say rayn was "doing the most" in the game 10 hours ago or something, and most of his filter isn't spam, I disagree on those things. The entirety of page 1 of his filter is fluff. All the pretty stuff is fluff. That's a good half his filter.
And while you say he's eliminating town reads and finding scum reads, he's really just saying these people might be scum. He votes mocsta, then artanis, then banters with me and left the thread for a while after basically indicating I was doing something scummy. But rayn is a posty and a pushy dude. He's not posting or pushing any of those three. He's just sitting back with a list and he's content with that. From what I have read and been told, rayn is normally spammy and would be making cases on all 3 people in his list, plus a stray cat he found (definitely mafia), and maybe 1-2 of his town reads, just because. Is this not the case?
Alakaslam, this cannot be! I shall even the vote count for you!
1-1-1-0-1-1-1 is a much nicer looking vote count.
##vote: GGTeMpLaR
That should be sufficient. My mind is currently on rayn, but I don't like to break the symmetry. Interested in all these future promises from mocsta and rayn.
You don't get to tell me when i do post and when i don't because you failed to answer my pretty clear post where i wanted your read on Artanis and Mocsta. Also if you think i am scum you are bad or scum, so that's another reason why you don't get to tell me what to do.
On January 11 2014 12:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: You don't get to tell me when i do post and when i don't because you failed to answer my pretty clear post where i wanted your read on Artanis and Mocsta. Also if you think i am scum you are bad or scum, so that's another reason why you don't get to tell me what to do.
Confucious say, "He who lynches artanis D1 is high on pot." Or something to that effect. I generally follow a method to Artanis's doggie madness, and that's enough to put him mildly townie for me right now.
Currently pro-mocsta and anti-you/HF, but there's so little to go on that I'd rather you guys just get in the ring and duke it out.
Are you glad that you are not a wrestler? Or, should I say, are you a wrestler? Maybe if you are I have offended you. Maybe I am an offender. Whether you wrestle or not, I am glad we are not rustlers. A rustler must sometimes go into town for a dance, a square dance, and I know not who would lead and who would follow. No. Our rustler dancing would end in sore feet and sore feelings.
"Here is where I think holyflare is scum but I won't vote him because really I'm scum and can't really make it look plausible." I know mocsta's meta, it's slightly more tunneled as scum (I was on a scum team with him so I can easily extrapolate his mindset from the game) whereas town mocsta has lack of information because of course he is town and so he is fishing for information, trying to get more reads and developing reads over the game.
This attitude of straight out accusing people without developing reads and not giving a shit about what anyone says is indicative of scum mocsta. Just because his attitude is different from both his town and scum games does not mean that his actions are NOT scummy.
"Here is where I think holyflare is scum but I won't vote him because really I'm scum and can't really make it look plausible." I know mocsta's meta, it's slightly more tunneled as scum (I was on a scum team with him so I can easily extrapolate his mindset from the game) whereas town mocsta has lack of information because of course he is town and so he is fishing for information, trying to get more reads and developing reads over the game.
This attitude of straight out accusing people without developing reads and not giving a shit about what anyone says is indicative of scum mocsta. Just because his attitude is different from both his town and scum games does not mean that his actions are NOT scummy.
In fact, now that I think about it, his attitude is very VERY like mine was in B2B.
Your case/vote was B2B comparison + followup on derrida + voice mafia/IML comments.
I can't prove or disprove the voice mafia/IML comments, but it would be curious for you to lie about that. I disagree with your characterization of following up with derrida saying he'd do something. So I'm left with the B2B comparison to consider. Yes, mocsta's lazier attitude does not make him not scum, but it makes your case look weaker, because you didn't present those thoughts before. You just compared his play to one town game and went with that.
Guys, Derrida confirmed town, come on. I wish posting screenshots of inbox was not banned.
Aside from that, I am trying to read through the other games you guys played together, which is a stupidly enormous task on its own, it's like playing 3-4 mafia games simultaneously. As I'm the newbie here, could someone summarize me why a player's attitude in previous games matter? I would assume we are all above-average intelligent people here who could take on a new persona in every new game, no?
On January 11 2014 13:37 Derrida wrote: Guys, Derrida confirmed town, come on. I wish posting screenshots of inbox was not banned.
Aside from that, I am trying to read through the other games you guys played together, which is a stupidly enormous task on its own, it's like playing 3-4 mafia games simultaneously. As I'm the newbie here, could someone summarize me why a player's attitude in previous games matter? I would assume we are all above-average intelligent people here who could take on a new persona in every new game, no?
Even when taking on a new persona, it is difficult to take on a new persona.
It is easy to say you will play differently. It is much more difficult to follow through, or to hold conversations and not slip into whatever your default scum or default town posting style may be. Using past games/interest levels/whatever is more effective with some players than others, but is of >0 value.
Conduct in this game still more important, but past games can shade conduct in this game.
On January 11 2014 13:37 Derrida wrote: Guys, Derrida confirmed town, come on. I wish posting screenshots of inbox was not banned.
Aside from that, I am trying to read through the other games you guys played together, which is a stupidly enormous task on its own, it's like playing 3-4 mafia games simultaneously. As I'm the newbie here, could someone summarize me why a player's attitude in previous games matter? I would assume we are all above-average intelligent people here who could take on a new persona in every new game, no?
The issue is Derrida that HF thinks he knows me from playing numerous games of voice mafia together so has put together what he considers a personality thing.
What he doesnt add into his consideration (whether intentionally or not) is that Im not meant to be playing mafia this yaer. I said my last game woudl be my last.
I changed my mind for some personal reasons, but my willingness/time committments are different.
His meta case is terrible because its based on outdated information.
My issue with him is how he has used a forced read on you as a medium to pursue other people. I find that scummy. Rayn has done the same thing.
I think Artanis looks better for sticking to his guns in general.
I still havent read your posts in detail so my scum subset is {Derrida, Rayn, HF}.
On January 11 2014 13:28 Giggletummy wrote: Your case/vote was B2B comparison + followup on derrida + voice mafia/IML comments.
I can't prove or disprove the voice mafia/IML comments, but it would be curious for you to lie about that. I disagree with your characterization of following up with derrida saying he'd do something. So I'm left with the B2B comparison to consider. Yes, mocsta's lazier attitude does not make him not scum, but it makes your case look weaker, because you didn't present those thoughts before. You just compared his play to one town game and went with that.
I'm not playing a 1 on 1 game with you so when I make a statement I expect you to do research to verify whether my claims are true or not in regards to meta because that is what a sensible towny would do and it allows me to see who is putting effort into this game. You can look into games where he is both scum and town I do not need to provide all the evidence because based on Mocsta's post I can pretty much confirm him as scum in my mind so I find it INCREDIBLY suspicious that he is your favourite out of me/rayn/him.
On January 11 2014 13:28 Giggletummy wrote: Your case/vote was B2B comparison + followup on derrida + voice mafia/IML comments.
I can't prove or disprove the voice mafia/IML comments, but it would be curious for you to lie about that. I disagree with your characterization of following up with derrida saying he'd do something. So I'm left with the B2B comparison to consider. Yes, mocsta's lazier attitude does not make him not scum, but it makes your case look weaker, because you didn't present those thoughts before. You just compared his play to one town game and went with that.
I'm not playing a 1 on 1 game with you so when I make a statement I expect you to do research to verify whether my claims are true or not in regards to meta because that is what a sensible towny would do and it allows me to see who is putting effort into this game. You can look into games where he is both scum and town I do not need to provide all the evidence because based on Mocsta's post I can pretty much confirm him as scum in my mind so I find it INCREDIBLY suspicious that he is your favourite out of me/rayn/him.
I did do the research. That's why I said that yes, B2B looks different, but so do his other games. Seriously though, look at that newbie game I linked.
I'm more than interested in hearing you turn a critical eye towards rayn, even if you still end up townie on him.
The newbie filter is worth looking at because bright-eyed fresh mocsta was using all sorts of bold and italics and lists and making these giant headings and just prettying up his posts. And now he is a grizzled infantryman, down in the trenches, posting nary a space or punctuation mark, and sometimes he only types in wingdings. At least some of this post contains true statements.
On January 11 2014 13:37 Derrida wrote: Guys, Derrida confirmed town, come on. I wish posting screenshots of inbox was not banned.
Aside from that, I am trying to read through the other games you guys played together, which is a stupidly enormous task on its own, it's like playing 3-4 mafia games simultaneously. As I'm the newbie here, could someone summarize me why a player's attitude in previous games matter? I would assume we are all above-average intelligent people here who could take on a new persona in every new game, no?
The issue is Derrida that HF thinks he knows me from playing numerous games of voice mafia together so has put together what he considers a personality thing.
What he doesnt add into his consideration (whether intentionally or not) is that Im not meant to be playing mafia this yaer. I said my last game woudl be my last.
I changed my mind for some personal reasons, but my willingness/time committments are different.
His meta case is terrible because its based on outdated information.
My issue with him is how he has used a forced read on you as a medium to pursue other people. I find that scummy. Rayn has done the same thing.
I think Artanis looks better for sticking to his guns in general.
I still havent read your posts in detail so my scum subset is {Derrida, Rayn, HF}.
Like this post is SO full of crap, it's actually funny. Whether he decides to play or not in this game adds no relevance to the past present or future or any of your reads. It is wholly meant to discredit what I am saying.
The REAL REAL issue I have with his post is this:
His meta case is terrible because its based on outdated information.
My issue with him is how he has used a forced read on you as a medium to pursue other people. I find that scummy. Rayn has done the same thing.
The case I linked (B2B is a very very recent game with him and I in it), the game I talked about where we rolled scum was LXIII Here is Mocsta's filter seeing as this was also the most recent game (LXIV only just started today) I find it ridiculous that he says his that it is in fact "outdated" when it is most definitely not.
Now, to top that all off here are things that he does that do not follow a logical towny thought process in this post:
1. As you all remember his only contributions this game have been calling out Derrida and voting him. You'd think on his return to the thread the first thing he'd be looking out for was posts on the way that Derrida has made to confirm or refute his thought process. The fact that his first post states that he has not read posts from Derrida in detail is a red flag for me.
I still havent read your posts in detail so my scum subset is {Derrida, Rayn, HF}.
2. For someone who was SO SO confident that Derrida was scum (he never took his vote off Derrida after he put it on there) and was allowing him to be hammered (even if he didn't know what the votes were - he should make it 100% certain as town because he has intent to lynch) based on 8 posts in his filter, the thing that would be on Mocsta's mind is that Derrida is most likely/probably scum from his perspective and so when you read the post at the top his interaction with Derrida would be aprehensive/taken aback/not trying to convince Derrida that I am scum because of discrediting his post. Yet, as we can see this is quite clearly not the case, his words act like he's trying to tell Derrida that I am scummy rather than the reaction that Mocsta should of had if he was town.
On January 11 2014 13:36 Giggletummy wrote: HF have you played many games with rayn?
Yes, I have played many many games with rayn and so when I say I will not lynch him 100% today I mean it because I think the thought process he has laid out makes him look more towny and the vote switching that people usually accredit to scum are staple rayn moves as both alignments so that should be a non-alignment indicative action. In fact that indecision is what I see rayn do when he doesn't know what to think between his choices.
All I can say to the rest of you is that what reason does someone have to switch their votes all the time as scum? You can say he would be trying to start a wagon on someone by throwing shit at people and seeing what sticks but where is he pushing everyone to vote his targets? It isn't happening. He's got a read of potentially 3 people and when they do something that he thinks is scummy he votes that person.
On January 11 2014 12:35 Giggletummy wrote: Why not tonight? You, HF, mocsta probably have a scum or two in there, keep on fighting and let's pick out the scum!
This is also a ridiculous thing to say. If I was scum I could just bandwagon on with the rest of the people that were voting Derrida (who I think is town) and nobody would think anything of it because the majority of the people on the wagon wouldn't think too heavily on that individual action yet here he is still alive and kicking. You still have not even mentioned that lynch whatsoever other than to stop it. Why is that? Is there no information to be gathered from that entire debacle? Why should there "probably" be a scum between me,rayn and mocsta? There is no basis for this statement, no justification and you expect us to follow it?
If you are thinking that there is scum between one of us 3 why have you only gone so far as to research Mocsta's meta so deeply yet have not looked into me and rayn (but we are your scummy reads right and mocsta isn't really anymore?) but still call us scummy. Why should I be the one telling you about rayn's games and putting in all the work. Why don't you convince ME of a read instead of driving on asking questions with no real conclusions.
On January 11 2014 14:00 Giggletummy wrote: The newbie filter is worth looking at because bright-eyed fresh mocsta was using all sorts of bold and italics and lists and making these giant headings and just prettying up his posts. And now he is a grizzled infantryman, down in the trenches, posting nary a space or punctuation mark, and sometimes he only types in wingdings. At least some of this post contains true statements.
His initial post in LXIII has headings and colours and fonts, guess what, he was scum. I am not looking into a newbie game when he has played well over 10 other games that he has evolved in. His most recent games are by far the most representative. It's his actions in this game that contain many red flags:
1) Not caring if I vote him 2) Not forming a case on me (when he thinks I am scum..?) but instead just trying to discredit invdividual parts of the argument instead (classic tell of scum vs town) 3) Voting someone with 8 posts in a game without allowing him to defend despite his meta of hating people that do that (artanis and rayn can confirm) 4) His quite clear dislike of me forming a read based on personality from voice mafia:
The issue is Derrida that HF thinks he knows me from playing numerous games of voice mafia together so has put together what he considers a personality thing.
On January 10 2014 02:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: What if you are insane?
Too much voice mafia influence I think here :S
but then very soon after that was quite comfortable slipping back into the groove of trolling (even though posts were starting to get more serious) by stating random things from voice mafia:
Lol. HF. grasping at anything to support your pittance of a case.
You can't even delineate between sarcasm and reality.
"Too much voice mafia influence'... did you read the context of the post.
Clearly not.
Further, BttB is not a normal game as you would attest to others. It was an opportunity to play your best town game - something I attempted openly; and certainly does not apply to this game. *sorry hosts*
The thing that is makes you scummy is that you are aware of outside game context behind my lack of care (Specifically time); yet you try and pin me down for this. *Clap clap*
2) Not forming a case on me (when he thinks I am scum..?) but instead just trying to discredit invdividual parts of the argument instead (classic tell of scum vs town)
should read:
2) Not forming a case on me (when he thinks I am scum..?) but instead just trying to discredit invdividual parts of the argument TO HIS ORIGINAL TOP SCUM READ (classic tell of scum vs town)
You have played a game with me as scum, played with me when you were town and I was scum and seen me play a game as town before as I am "a better player from the most recent wave of newbies" you would know that the amount of huge effort I am putting into this game, trying to solve people's alignments quite literally confirms me as town (There are also other things that I don't want to say out loud but people should have automatically realised already). Your initial reaction wouldn't be "oh holyflare is totally scum now" if I am the only player to go balls to the wall on a person that hasn't really been mentioned over people that are read as initially scummy then that should already be a +town point in your mind, yet, your initial reaction is to try and discredit me to your first top scum read, tell me that you don't care if I place my vote on you and then eventually end up in an OMGUS but also still not put your vote on me.
Another anecdote for you guys; Mocsta is being incredibly hypocritical for calling me scum because I'm "not taking into account his lack of care", he quite literally knows I have exams on Monday and Tuesday that I am studying for (as I have repeated it many times and just pulled out of a LoL game with him so I can study for it) yet here I am STILL trying to post and solve the game and I have posted the most in this game so far. Why would I be doing that when I have NO time to play whatsoever? He doesn't even think about situations, reasons, meta, anything. Just that I'm totes scummy.
Also for anyone that actually wants to solve this game I have updated my profile with all of my games (I don't think I've missed any?) for you to look at if it helps you get better reads.
I like that he came back to the thread with a "DGAF" attitude. The assertiveness he is using when probing his reads to me is indicative of town. I am convinced that whether Derrida is town or scum; he believes what he is saying. This is definitely more difficult to do as scum - so overall I lean town for this point.
What I don't like about Derrida is his theory of 2 scum distancing when entering the thread. There is zero discussion with his theoretical second scum (GGTemplar); and then later down the path, Derrida unvotes HF without stating the precursor. (I like your logic is NOT what I would state as definitive). To me this dance rings true of what Derrida specifically thinks is good scum play. - but overall i think the assertiveness rules out the negative above.
The opener is clearly null -- so its concerning the people that tried to ride on it.
Therefore I consider him the towniest by far out of {Derrida, Rayn, Holyflare}.
I would go as far to seriously consider that a Rayn/Holyflare team went on an early crusade to call Derrida town to buy his trust. Which leaves me with:
##Unvote
##Vote: Holyflare
Accusation: - Weak cases - Opportune efforts to jump onto players - Misrepresented logic to force a read - Overt commitment on early reads - Conveniently ignores evidence that works against him. - Over exerting "our" time together. What HF doesn't tell you in our combined scum game is that *I* lasted 48hrs and didn't interact with him. Yet he thinks he has the keys to my head.
On January 11 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote: Another anecdote for you guys; Mocsta is being incredibly hypocritical for calling me scum because I'm "not taking into account his lack of care", he quite literally knows I have exams on Monday and Tuesday that I am studying for (as I have repeated it many times and just pulled out of a LoL game with him so I can study for it) yet here I am STILL trying to post and solve the game and I have posted the most in this game so far. Why would I be doing that when I have NO time to play whatsoever? He doesn't even think about situations, reasons, meta, anything. Just that I'm totes scummy.
I'm working on a $300million project that is behind schedule.
Yeh, he literally just copied everything I've been saying about Derrida the entire game...?
Accusation: - Weak cases - Opportune efforts to jump onto players - Misrepresented logic to force a read - Overt commitment on early reads - Conveniently ignores evidence that works against him. - Over exerting "our" time together. What HF doesn't tell you in our combined scum game is that *I* lasted 48hrs and didn't interact with him. Yet he thinks he has the keys to my head.
- Made 1 proper case this game only on Mocsta - I haven't jumped on anyone other than Mocsta and it most certainly isn't opportune when people's consensus was NOT on him - I made an initial read that Derrida was town based on the wagon that was formed, I inflated it incredibly to be confirmed town to see who would react to things like that. You think I can outright confirm someone just like that without having a plan? - Not really sure where this has ocurred - Just because I don't have the keys to his head does not mean I haven't read his other games. I am good at analysing IMO and this is what information I've gathered over my time playing with him.
His case is baseless (it's not even a case as there is no factual evidence........?), his read on Derrida has now come to the same conclusion that I had stated already, in fact his whole read is pretty much based on what I've been saying.
Also, why would I want Derrida's trust lolololol? He has 1 newbie game and 0 influence. Best partner to gain trust.
On January 11 2014 15:16 Holyflare wrote: Another anecdote for you guys; Mocsta is being incredibly hypocritical for calling me scum because I'm "not taking into account his lack of care", he quite literally knows I have exams on Monday and Tuesday that I am studying for (as I have repeated it many times and just pulled out of a LoL game with him so I can study for it) yet here I am STILL trying to post and solve the game and I have posted the most in this game so far. Why would I be doing that when I have NO time to play whatsoever? He doesn't even think about situations, reasons, meta, anything. Just that I'm totes scummy.
I'm working on a $300million project that is behind schedule.
I still find time to post as town or scum.
Stop laying on the excuses.
Now look at the difference between our posting content and say the same thing.
Nevermind I'm just gonna opt out of even arguing with Mocsta because I'm pretty damn confident he is scum so anything he writes will just be wifomy as hell from now on. Either way, where is everyone else? I want some upped activity!
Proper case LOl I'm town. Its a shit case with shit foundation
Inflated your early opinino of Derrida What a convenient way to troll... read: zero accountability
Why would you want Derrida trust Its IML, of course you want to be on the good side of people moreso than a normal game when the seas can change in an instant. Stop being so coy.
When I think about the context of this; HF ahs given "confirmed town" status to a specific player with only 5-6 posts and is now using that as a medium to launch into players that disagree.
You did a meta read with knowing his posting in last game. I did actually at first only look at his posts this game and only later on went to look at his last game too.
I was the one who called Mocsta & Artanis scum for "they should know better", not you. Because they fucking should know better. You called Mocsta & Giggletummy scum for reasons.
That does not mean i have no reasons but based on thread Mocsta can't possibly think you did those things and i didn't.
I dunno yet because i don't wanna lynch anyone over Mocsta. Maybe it's Artanis, maybe Giggle. Remains to be seen, because i need to reread the thread before making a judgement between those two.
Anyway I think Mocsta is town because this selfvote coincides with this post in the other mafia game. He just wants to get out of this game and focus on that one.
I agree that it does not make him town but it is new information, upon which I frown. There is no rush, it is an instant majority lynch we can still get him in a pinch.
The martyr can be both alignments yet he gave us no assignments. I read it as a scum conceding play but I would like others' opinions today.
Derrida, you read it as green do you have other reasons that remain to be seen? HolyFlare, town extraordinaire Would you still like Mocsta's meat rare?
Wtf are you guys doing? The votes reached 4 on mocsta and it quite clearly states it takes 4 to lynch and when that happens you stop talking until the post.
On January 11 2014 22:32 Derrida wrote: Anyway I think Mocsta is town because this selfvote coincides with this post in the other mafia game. He just wants to get out of this game and focus on that one.
You don't know his alignment in this game you don't know his alignment in that game. So why does he want to play in that game more? He's playing equally bad in that game too.
Also if he wants to self vote out of this one isn't that also indicative of a caught scum that wants to end the day quicker so we get no information?
If he knew he wasn't going to die, it's scummy. If he thought he was going to die, then I don't care about his alignment. It's a signal that he's not going to play this game, and it's not something I want to encourage or allow (to the extent I can disallow anything) in our games.
##unvote ##vote: Mocsta
I think the martyring indicates he's green, though. It's a two-man scum team, so mocsta lynching himself would be a big middle finger to his scumbuddy on day one. And I disagree that he might off himself to keep information from town, because he wasn't posting in a manner that gave us any information except perhaps on HF's alignment. I expect a green flip, but can't condone the self-vote hammer, and am happy to lynch players of any alignment in any game until they cease that behavior.
On January 12 2014 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote: So Giggletummy you are voting for a guy you think is town. Why is that?
I like fun games more than won games. If I have to lose some games or put myself in a worse position in order to discourage certain behavior that makes the game less fun for everyone (screw everyone, I'm killing myself because I cba to do anything), I will. With a smile on my face. Do it enough and perhaps people will knock it off.
On January 12 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote: How is self hammering a green indicative thing to do in any instant majority lynch????? Has everyone gone crazy?
Townies get frustrated and do stupid things. There are more townies, they feel expendable, they feel like they don't want to play the game. There are only two scum. They are not expendable. They feel very scared, because if either of them dies, the other guy is all alone. He's not a scum team anymore, he's a shipwreck survivor clinging to a floating log and trying to survive in the ocean. I'd expect self hammering to come from town based on that.
Also, if he's mafia, he just grabbed a shovel and started digging when he had his outburst of activity ~12ish hours ago. Just saying you're wrong, starting to occasionally make a half-decent point, but never following it anywhere. If he's mafia, I would expect him to either defend himself and try to present an alternative target that someone is going to lynch (not you at that time), or say nothing and try to ride things out. Becoming very visible to do nothing but make it look like you don't care about the game is not a good strategy as mafia with votes already on your head.
I really am puzzled. If there was a game that had D1 LYLO would you policy lynch in that game? You are a fucking smurf, why do you enforce policies when you can't possibly affect other games and it's really stupid to policy lynch in this game.
On January 12 2014 02:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote: So Giggletummy you are voting for a guy you think is town. Why is that?
I like fun games more than won games. If I have to lose some games or put myself in a worse position in order to discourage certain behavior that makes the game less fun for everyone (screw everyone, I'm killing myself because I cba to do anything), I will. With a smile on my face. Do it enough and perhaps people will knock it off.
On January 12 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote: How is self hammering a green indicative thing to do in any instant majority lynch????? Has everyone gone crazy?
Townies get frustrated and do stupid things. There are more townies, they feel expendable, they feel like they don't want to play the game. There are only two scum. They are not expendable. They feel very scared, because if either of them dies, the other guy is all alone. He's not a scum team anymore, he's a shipwreck survivor clinging to a floating log and trying to survive in the ocean. I'd expect self hammering to come from town based on that.
He has quite clearly mentioned that he does not give a shit what happens this game.
The conclusive proof that he is scum is that he has 2 scum reads, a team that he has constructed of Rayn and me. The votes that were on him were me, Rayn and Artanis. That is 2 of his scum reads voting him so why would he choose to self vote in that situation instead of hammer on with his rhetoric of how me and rayn are scum and it should be obvious from this vote? I'll tell you why. It's because he knows that he is all but dead and wants to leave this game sooner rather than later.
You are valuing his care for his team mate way more than you should. How about analysing what I've actually been saying instead of using the wifomy martyr as your basis for a town read?
I will give you one hypothetical post. Then I will stop. Because you can come up with scenarios endlessly and that's not particularly relevant to this game.
D1 LYLO game. Someone tries to hammer himself. If he's town, he just tried to end the game for all townies. Yes, I would policy lynch that person. Either the player is scum or just tried to make us all lose anyway. I don't want that guy in D2. I don't want that guy in D3. I don't want that guy in D4. I don't want that guy thinking he can play the same way in another D1 LYLO game, or another, or another. I don't want my children, or my children's children, or some russian orphan that GGQ adopts/smuggles out of russia to play in a game where people think they can just lose the game for town as a townie and that's fine.
I would rather play in games where players don't think those actions are okay. Lynch in the D1 LYLO game, lose, and every other townie in that LYLO game maybe shies away from throwing a game because they're frustrated or don't care.
On January 12 2014 03:21 Holyflare wrote: You are valuing his care for his team mate way more than you should. How about analysing what I've actually been saying instead of using the wifomy martyr as your basis for a town read?
I think we're both valuing things way more than we should, because mocsta either trolled with his vote or actually tried to kill himself. One way he's scum, the other way he's playing in such an illogical way that I don't think he cares who his scumreads are voting. Ascribing strategy and reasoning to him just getting himself lynched doesn't feel like a strong move for either of us, tbh.
I disagree with your characterization of followup on Derrida. Followup on a scumread is often townie. People do things all the time to "pressure" someone when it really isn't worth any pressure. It feels like it should be, so they take action, say there's some pressure, and that's mostly fine.
I disagree with you that scummocsta just digs a hole. Yes, a lot of his defense was just dumb comments tossed at you or him saying "you are wrong." That's a terrible way for a scum to defend himself. It's a terrible way for a town to defend himself. So all his responses to your wanting him lynched seem, to me, like the posts of someone who doesn't care about the game, but not from a specific alignment.
Disagree, as noted, that self-hammering is scum wanting to end the day early. It's someone who doesn't want to play.
I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it.
On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote: I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it.
Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy.
Mocsta's return I eagerly await in his death I shall not yet participate. Much opinions have been given I wish to who he thinks is the villain. If he does not provide us with information a scumclaim is the designation. Time we do not lack why the hurry to crack his sack?
On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote: I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it.
Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy.
You are actually both wrong. A town player most likely does not want to participate LATER on in the game. A towny on day 1 who has both of his scum team accusations on his wagon does not EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER self hammer. This is beyond ridiculous that you can think like this.
On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote: I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it.
Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy.
You are actually both wrong. A town player most likely does not want to participate LATER on in the game. A towny on day 1 who has both of his scum team accusations on his wagon does not EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER self hammer. This is beyond ridiculous that you can think like this.
There are 5 townies. There are 2 scum. Anyone who just frankly doesn't want to play a game of mafia is more likely to be town than mafia. Barring certain players with a reputation for hating playing scum, which I don't believe mocsta has, in any game a person who just gives up is more likely town.
I think they both exhibit different behavior as well. A scum player who does not want to play can just lurk. He's not helping his team, but at the very least he's not hurting it, and he 100% doesn't have to do jack. Town players may exhibit more frustration, fight getting lynched, give up, whatever. Personal opinion on this bit.
On January 12 2014 03:35 Giggletummy wrote: I would argue, and have argued, that a town player is more likely to not want to play than a scum player. So I do think it points more towards town than scum. You may disagree, and do.
I recognize that I am likely overvaluing that argument, but I do stand by it.
Completely agree. This bandwagon on Mocsta is starting to feel increasingly scummy.
You are actually both wrong. A town player most likely does not want to participate LATER on in the game. A towny on day 1 who has both of his scum team accusations on his wagon does not EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER self hammer. This is beyond ridiculous that you can think like this.
There are 5 townies. There are 2 scum. Anyone who just frankly doesn't want to play a game of mafia is more likely to be town than mafia. Barring certain players with a reputation for hating playing scum, which I don't believe mocsta has, in any game a person who just gives up is more likely town.
I think they both exhibit different behavior as well. A scum player who does not want to play can just lurk. He's not helping his team, but at the very least he's not hurting it, and he 100% doesn't have to do jack. Town players may exhibit more frustration, fight getting lynched, give up, whatever. Personal opinion on this bit.
You just practically gave reasons WHY mocsta is scum. Let's look at the facts.
1) Start of game trolling 2) Wagon starts on Derrida who has 8 posts 3) Mocsta joins wagon to make it L-1 and tells us we should actively discuss before we L-2 and L-1, doesn't really discuss (says about misreading votes... yeh sure) 4) Leaves vote on Derrida whilst others unvote and discuss - does not participate in discussion, instead trolls that he is confirmed town after I say it. Why does he retort with a troll when I say that I'm giving Derrida confirmed town status? It's because it's 1 less player for me to target later in the game and he can't target that guy anymore. 5) REMAINS A LURKER AND POSTS NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE 6) Only returns when accused of being scum only to accuse the 2 active people. 7) Addresses his original scum read (derrida) as a towny and tries to convince him that I am wrong 8) Responds with the worst posts ever when called out 9) Self votes and afk's when he is in fact not dead
If he's mafia, there's one more. If he's not, there are two.
Derrida, what other games did you read, and what are a couple interesting things you found in those games? Also, you think mocsta is town. 3-4 people have voted for him, not counting himself. Out of that group, are some scum? All scum? None scum? Is rayn scum?
On January 12 2014 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mocsta's return I eagerly await in his death I shall not yet participate. Much opinions have been given I wish to who he thinks is the villain. If he does not provide us with information a scumclaim is the designation. Time we do not lack why the hurry to crack his sack?
Artanis, sir, you rhyme quite well But much on mocsta you do dwell. Why care you 'bout his reads of scum When this game he has been a bum?
Turn your verse to other names What think you bout the man called rayn? A scum before, but much he's typed Do you still wish him set alight?
Derrida plays a different game Than when in red we saw his name. But Holyflare has got a point And from this game D seems disjoint.
You wait for mocsta but I fear He's made his thoughts on this game clear. You think his reads will help your thoughts, When on this game he's cast a pox?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20571768 -While he is correct to note that Holy's main accusation is a meta-read, I think how Mocsta keeps filling his posts with excuses and filler content is extremely scummy. The only good point I like about Mocsta's initial accusation against HF is just a sheep'd read that HF shouldn't have cleared Derrida as town as quickly as he did.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=20#382 -I actually agree that HF's metaread in-of-itself is weak, but the only reads Mocsta are giving here are unrelated to it are just the backlash against "HF/Rayn for using said metaread", and that "Artanis is town here for sticking to his guns". These are extremely weak reasoned reads. I was scumreading Mocsta for these reasons until he did the self-vote shit. I don't really know if I should read it as a null-tell or what but at the very least I find it pretty bm.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#367 -I think Giggletummy actually made decent points against Rayn, especially his noting how Rayn's early arguments against Artanis were weak. He also brings up solid points on the inconsistency of which players posting history are being looked at vs which are being ignored, especially after how much shit I got for not looking into Derrida's posting history.
I don't like how Rayn still accuses Giggle of not taking a stance on Mocsta/Artanis when he literally talks about them in the few posts above -
I am town-reading Giggle and scum-reading Rayn for these reasons. ##Unvote
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=23#442 -I will say though that I hate when anyone uses "policy lynch" as a reason for voting in any situation. Giggle is actually being really hypocritical here because in policy lynching someone you think is town for "making the game less fun by giving up", he himself is in a sense giving up as well and making the game less fun for the rest of us. That being said, aside from this, I've really liked Gummi as town since the last time I checked into the thread. His hard policy-lynch conviction doesn't necessarily read town, but it seems genuine to me, even if it's total bullshit hypocrisy. If you are holding yourself to the same standards you hold others to, you scumhunt, not policy lynch people you think are town. Voting someone else you think is town is just as BM as voting yourself as town.
Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons-
-Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum -It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF -This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) -And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
Mocsta was sitting in the back of the mystery machine, wondering how he could gain Holyflare's favor. All of a sudden, an idea came to him.
"I know, I'll bribe him with Scooby Snax! He'll love those!"
Unfortunately, they were Really Small, so small that Holyflare was not impressed with Mocsta, and proceeded to send Scooby's twin brother, Scary, to eat Mocsta. That didn't go so well for Mocsta.
Mocsta, as a Mafia Goon, has been lynched!
It is now night 1. Please send me your night actions. The night will last between 6-24 hours, with a 2 hour warning before the start of the day.
Mocsta was sitting in the back of the mystery machine, wondering how he could gain Holyflare's favor. All of a sudden, an idea came to him.
"I know, I'll bribe him with Scooby Snax! He'll love those!"
Unfortunately, they were Really Small, so small that Holyflare was not impressed with Mocsta, and proceeded to send Scooby's twin brother, Scary, to eat Mocsta. That didn't go so well for Mocsta.
Mocsta, as a Mafia Goon, has been lynched!
It is now night 1. Please send me your night actions. The night will last between 6-24 hours, with a 2 hour warning before the start of the day.
Intoxication may lead one to do awesome things. Still, I think no scum would cast the final vote in this setting. Anyway, I hope we don't have 6 hour night, I need to re-read filters before I submit my night action.
Maybe I should really play this game always under the influence. Hahahah I would surely never ever vote Mocsta if I was sober. Need to reread filters in the morning.
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
This post was completely unnecessary, and you should know better than to post like this, Rayn.
Sorry. :/
GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town.
On January 12 2014 05:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mocsta's return I eagerly await in his death I shall not yet participate. Much opinions have been given I wish to who he thinks is the villain. If he does not provide us with information a scumclaim is the designation. Time we do not lack why the hurry to crack his sack?
Artanis, sir, you rhyme quite well But much on mocsta you do dwell. Why care you 'bout his reads of scum When this game he has been a bum?
Turn your verse to other names What think you bout the man called rayn? A scum before, but much he's typed Do you still wish him set alight?
Derrida plays a different game Than when in red we saw his name. But Holyflare has got a point And from this game D seems disjoint.
You wait for mocsta but I fear He's made his thoughts on this game clear. You think his reads will help your thoughts, When on this game he's cast a pox?
The reads of a flipped person are rarely a burden. Now that he has flipped scum it is clear that merely a bum. If he were a townie green he could still have provided insight we have not foreseen.
The man named Rayn is still of interest to me his blood should flow red with glee. Too many posts he not on scumhunting but on things like banter and bumbling. However, with Mocsta's flip showing red another person might have to be in his stead and thus I will reread the thread after bed.
Derrida still looks poorly to me if not Rayn, it might be him that is to be. His confidence feels fake when compared to the start I have a hard time taking this to heart. His attitude has shifted after being under scrutiny but it has been to confidence, rather than uncertainty. I can not make sense of this thing but I am uncertain if this is a sting or zing.
sorry about this small derail, but how long does that take you to put together Artanis? God damn continental European education system, I can't even write a poem in my native language let alone a second language.
On January 12 2014 08:49 Corazon wrote: Warning to Raynpelikoneet for this post:
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
This post was completely unnecessary, and you should know better than to post like this, Rayn.
Sorry. :/
GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town.
I don't like this line of reasoning because I know I'm town and I still read Artanis as town as well. He was one of the first to vote on Mocsta. I don't think you can look into his unvote off Mocsta as scummy since he never really tried to get it onto anyone else.
I would argue that we need to look at people who voted first or second on Mocsta, or didn't vote him at all (though i think this is less likely). From my first game as scum, I think the scum reflex would make it so that if there was a strong case being built against Mocsta the other scum would jump on the bandwagon early on. 3rd vote is just too dangerous, and 4th vote is me.
On January 12 2014 09:12 Derrida wrote: I would argue that we need to look at people who voted first or second on Mocsta, or didn't vote him at all (though i think this is less likely). From my first game as scum, I think the scum reflex would make it so that if there was a strong case being built against Mocsta the other scum would jump on the bandwagon early on. 3rd vote is just too dangerous, and 4th vote is me.
why not anyone you know... not on the mocsta wagon?
On January 12 2014 09:05 Derrida wrote: sorry about this small derail, but how long does that take you to put together Artanis? God damn continental European education system, I can't even write a poem in my native language let alone a second language.
I started writing shortly before the day post then had to pause for information from the host. I have realized I have made a great error I compared Rayn's meta, in terror to Titanic II, where he was not town but serial killer, I now feel down.
I will re-evaluate tomorrow hopefully with more braincells than zero.
On January 12 2014 08:49 Corazon wrote: Warning to Raynpelikoneet for this post:
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
This post was completely unnecessary, and you should know better than to post like this, Rayn.
Sorry. :/
GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town.
I don't like this line of reasoning because I know I'm town and I still read Artanis as town as well. He was one of the first to vote on Mocsta. I don't think you can look into his unvote off Mocsta as scummy since he never really tried to get it onto anyone else.
yeah he voted for Mocsta at the start of the game. Cool story. When Mocsta was in serious danger of being lynched he in fact did not want to vote for Mocsta.
On January 12 2014 09:05 Derrida wrote: sorry about this small derail, but how long does that take you to put together Artanis? God damn continental European education system, I can't even write a poem in my native language let alone a second language.
I started writing shortly before the day post then had to pause for information from the host. I have realized I have made a great error I compared Rayn's meta, in terror to Titanic II, where he was not town but serial killer, I now feel down.
I will re-evaluate tomorrow hopefully with more braincells than zero.
How does my Serial Killer meta differentiate from my town meta? Because it does not.
On January 12 2014 08:49 Corazon wrote: Warning to Raynpelikoneet for this post:
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
This post was completely unnecessary, and you should know better than to post like this, Rayn.
Sorry. :/
GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town.
I don't like this line of reasoning because I know I'm town and I still read Artanis as town as well. He was one of the first to vote on Mocsta. I don't think you can look into his unvote off Mocsta as scummy since he never really tried to get it onto anyone else.
yeah he voted for Mocsta at the start of the game. Cool story. When Mocsta was in serious danger of being lynched he in fact did not want to vote for Mocsta.
This is false, my vote was third your memory must be blurred. I unvoted after Mocsta's self vote to get stances on what he wrote.
On January 12 2014 09:05 Derrida wrote: sorry about this small derail, but how long does that take you to put together Artanis? God damn continental European education system, I can't even write a poem in my native language let alone a second language.
I started writing shortly before the day post then had to pause for information from the host. I have realized I have made a great error I compared Rayn's meta, in terror to Titanic II, where he was not town but serial killer, I now feel down.
I will re-evaluate tomorrow hopefully with more braincells than zero.
How does my Serial Killer meta differentiate from my town meta? Because it does not.
Of course it differs from your town metagame to say it doesn't makes you insane. As SK you want people of differing alignments lynched you would wish to have the game balanced in a clinch.
I thought of you as town because I was scum but you were serial killer, so I was dumb. If you would exactly play the same then that keeps you in the previous frame.
Your play has been very different from that game I cannot believe you think it is the same.
On January 12 2014 08:49 Corazon wrote: Warning to Raynpelikoneet for this post:
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
This post was completely unnecessary, and you should know better than to post like this, Rayn.
Sorry. :/
GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town.
I don't like this line of reasoning because I know I'm town and I still read Artanis as town as well. He was one of the first to vote on Mocsta. I don't think you can look into his unvote off Mocsta as scummy since he never really tried to get it onto anyone else.
yeah he voted for Mocsta at the start of the game. Cool story. When Mocsta was in serious danger of being lynched he in fact did not want to vote for Mocsta.
This is false, my vote was third your memory must be blurred. I unvoted after Mocsta's self vote to get stances on what he wrote.
The fact you put the vote to L-1 must have meant you had the intent to lynch so why after his hammer did not go through do you suddenly want to ask him for stances on his posts instead of before the lynch?
On January 12 2014 08:49 Corazon wrote: Warning to Raynpelikoneet for this post:
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
This post was completely unnecessary, and you should know better than to post like this, Rayn.
Sorry. :/
GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town.
I don't like this line of reasoning because I know I'm town and I still read Artanis as town as well. He was one of the first to vote on Mocsta. I don't think you can look into his unvote off Mocsta as scummy since he never really tried to get it onto anyone else.
yeah he voted for Mocsta at the start of the game. Cool story. When Mocsta was in serious danger of being lynched he in fact did not want to vote for Mocsta.
This is false, my vote was third your memory must be blurred. I unvoted after Mocsta's self vote to get stances on what he wrote.
The fact you put the vote to L-1 must have meant you had the intent to lynch so why after his hammer did not go through do you suddenly want to ask him for stances on his posts instead of before the lynch?
He would have expected to die and lots of discussion followed his intended ascent to the sky. I was hoping this premise would spark interest before his demise.
There's having fun and then having fun at people's expense. If you are town then you are actively hindering my reads by talking in that way and I presume many others too. It is critical we get as much information as possible because I don't trust any of you to find the last scum after what just happened.
On January 12 2014 09:56 Holyflare wrote: There's having fun and then having fun at people's expense. If you are town then you are actively hindering my reads by talking in that way and I presume many others too. It is critical we get as much information as possible because I don't trust any of you to find the last scum after what just happened.
You can read me like this just fine it is up to you and there's plenty of time. If my rhymes create displeasure for you then that is unfortunate, but shoo. If your blood is green, your mission is to lynch scum not those who you think are dumb.
1) Not everyone is a native english speaker 2) I cannot get reads from inflections in your posting style if your posting style will remain in constant verse 3) Why can't you be scum? 4) Stop being "dumb" if you are town
On January 12 2014 10:16 Holyflare wrote: 1) Not everyone is a native english speaker 2) I cannot get reads from inflections in your posting style if your posting style will remain in constant verse 3) Why can't you be scum? 4) Stop being "dumb" if you are town
1) Many people post in English more complicated than mine I do not understand this whine. 2) Then you must find another way to get a read on me my alignment is clear as can be. 3) Because my PM said I was green it is therefore impossible not to be seen. Of course I can be scum to you my complaint was with your previous statement you threw. 4) I am not being dumb, my opinions are clear my positions you will hear.
It's k because I actually think you are town, Derrida is pretty much confirmed town right now. I am confirmed town. That leaves rayn, giggle and templar.
On January 10 2014 08:03 Holyflare wrote: Scrappy Doo (Artanis[XP])
*growls*
A) Try the front gate DUH!
*wags tail*
Team 2: Shaggy (raynpelikoneet) and Scrappy (Artanis[XP]) have decided to try the front gate. DUH!
Scrappy and Yabba walk up the front gate.
A single crow sits atop the cast iron gate. The gate is very slightly ajar but even going near it gives you the creeps. Yikes! You just KNOW something bad will happen if you walk through that gate, the entrance to a haunted mansion can't be free from ghouls and ghosts, surely!?
You have a choice which you must now reach between the BOTH of you. Do you:
A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
B) Back off and inspect the gate further. Maybe you missed something.
C) FLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Decision reached: A) Try the gate anyway. DESPITE THE BAD VIBES AND FEELINGS.
Scrappy and Shaggy edge up to the ominous looking gate with the crow sitting on top. Shaggy: I got a real bad feeling about this Scrappy.
Scrappy: PUPPPYYYYYYY POWERRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scrappy charges into the gate headfirst! It swings open and the crow flies away. It turns it's head in the distance and Shaggy swears he see's the eyes of a human staring right back at him.
Shaggy: Don't... no! Don't go. Come on, Scrappy Doo, don't do this. Please, don't go.
Scrappy: Ghosts don't stand a chance with me! Let me at em!!! Let me at em!!!
--------Scrappy and Shaggy walk through the gate only to end up on the same side they started on----------
Shaggy: Like, what's going on Scrappy? I could have sworn we were just here.
*Scrappy tries again and again*
Scrappy: I don't get it Shaggy, every time I go through the gate I end up back here again!
Shaggy: Like, let's get out of here!
*Shaggy and Scrappy turn around only to see the same gate now in front of them once again*
Shaggy: Mary Jane isn't really helping right now!
Scrappy:Who is she Shaggy? Shaggy: Just a timeless friend. How do we get out of here???
If an exit is what you require, then solve this riddle and obtain your desire!
"There is an ancient invention still used in some parts of the world today that allows people to see through walls.
What is it?"
A correct answer from either of you will be acceptable.
Scrappy: Shaggy, OH SHAGGY! I KNOW IT! IT'S A HAMMER, RIGHT RIGHT?
*Scrappy runs through the gate and ends up right where he was before* *Sadness spreads across his face*
Shaggy: You know, I think I just might have got it! A window!
*Shaggy walks through the gate and actually ends up INSIDE the mansion's grounds. Scrappy follows disheartendly*
Shaggy: I definitely preferred being on the other side of that gate!
What do you do now?
A) Text the others the password to the gate and wait for them to arrive. B) Explore the compound briefly for clues. C) Both (reduction in clue searching ability!)
That is the symbol for the freemasons. The free masons originated from the Knights Templar. The further hint was from the loyal Knight just in case you needed to make the connection between freemasonry and knights templar.
On January 12 2014 08:49 Corazon wrote: Warning to Raynpelikoneet for this post:
On January 12 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: This game is filled with really fucking stupid people.
This post was completely unnecessary, and you should know better than to post like this, Rayn.
Sorry. :/
GGTeMpLaR or Artanis is mafia. Both can be lynched whoever dies. Doctor do not protect these guys. Giggletummy's posts make no sense from scum perspective if it was a bus. Derrida & Holyflare are quite town.
I don't like this line of reasoning because I know I'm town and I still read Artanis as town as well. He was one of the first to vote on Mocsta. I don't think you can look into his unvote off Mocsta as scummy since he never really tried to get it onto anyone else.
yeah he voted for Mocsta at the start of the game. Cool story. When Mocsta was in serious danger of being lynched he in fact did not want to vote for Mocsta.
Why exactly do you read Artanis as town?
I actually forgot that he had done that early on in the game. I honestly think of it as a null read though.
It would look much more suspicious of Artanis if he actually tried to significantly defend Mocsta or pushed hard to move the votes elsewhere, which he did not. I haven't cleared Artanis as confirmed town but he's definitely not my top scum for reasons I've stated in my previous posts.
On a more serious note, here it is folks, the damning evidence that reveals the mafia who has been standing in front of us all along, leading us along this mummer's farce as puppets.
HolyFlare's misinterpretation of his clue scheme which he has set up from the start as a frame job against me is an obvious sign of his guilt. Unfortunately, I'm a better detective than he realized and instantly saw through this charade.
First, HF fails to mention what kind of an organization the Knights Templar were. A Christian Holy Order. How convenient. Let's continue.
When did HolyFlare create his TL.net account? On the 28th of November, 1999 - wait for it - a Sunday, the Holy day. Do you know the significance of the November? November is two months after September, the month the first episode of "Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!" aired in 1969. Do you know what else is two? HF's average posts per day on his TL.net profile. There is more.
If you look closely at the background image hidden behind the text linked, it strongly resembles a "badge-like" ornament that one might pin onto a vest. It is no coincidence he specifically called it a "symbol", which just so happens to be what a "badge" is.
Ring any bells? Badges like these are used in the cult classic "Office Space" as a decorative ornament commonly referred to as flair throughout the movie. It's been right there in front of our eyes the entire time.
Jennifer Anniston has probably been called an angel thousands of times in her life. What are angels? They are Holy. Jennifer Anniston only used the bare minimum amount of flair. Look back, he created his account on the 28th, which just so happens to be the 'bare minimum' amount of days in the month of February. February is the month that this very same movie was released. Coincidence? I think not.
The connections are there and the clues point to none other than "HolyFlare".
But really, I'm not clearing anyone based on the flip. Mocsta clearly didn't want to play anyways so setting up a bus in the QT would be a great way to ride through the next day without suspicion and make it to final 3 (barring a medic save).
I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town.
1) Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum 2) It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF 3) This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) 4) And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
1) Yeah because i can actually read people. 2) No you are wrong. Artanis quoted posts and said they look scummy. That's not playing. Holyflare was playing the game by giving actual reads that are based on something. 3) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia. 4) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia
1) Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum 2) It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF 3) This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) 4) And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
1) Yeah because i can actually read people. 2) No you are wrong. Artanis quoted posts and said they look scummy. That's not playing. Holyflare was playing the game by giving actual reads that are based on something. 3) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia. 4) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia
Try again scum..
1) If you're reading me as scum, then you clearly can't 2) No you're wrong. At the time Artanis actually quoted scummy posts at least and gave reads on people. Holyflare was spamming scooby-doo for the first two pages before he gave an actual read (aside from calling Derrida confirmed town without any reasons)
On January 12 2014 16:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Btw your excellent reasons for reading Derrida scum are so excellent he is town now for you. Makes sense?
Because I ever came out and said I was reading him as town.
1) Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum 2) It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF 3) This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) 4) And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
1) Yeah because i can actually read people. 2) No you are wrong. Artanis quoted posts and said they look scummy. That's not playing. Holyflare was playing the game by giving actual reads that are based on something. 3) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia. 4) Can't possibly be true because Mocsta was mafia
Try again scum..
1) If you're reading me as scum, then you clearly can't 2) No you're wrong. At the time Artanis actually quoted scummy posts at least and gave reads on people. Holyflare was spamming scooby-doo for the first two pages before he gave an actual read (aside from calling Derrida confirmed town without any reasons)
Regarding 2, I mean first two pages of his filter alone. It was far more than the first 2 pages of the actual game.
requesting to be replaced, i will not have access to computer for at least a few days, family emergency (nothing too terrible). i apologize to the host and the players for the inconvenience.
If I was the dog, I would stay with Joy. Just saying. She has the voice of an angel.
Artanis was really hungry. He had not eaten in 5 days and was dying to get anything to fill his stomach. He was wondering if there were any big Scooby Snax in this Really Small world. He had looked far and wide, from the cold, snow-covered mountains of Siberia to the lifeless, dry expanse of the Sahara Desert. He was dying to find anything in this world that was not Really Really Small.
He wandered to an old town with a sign in Russian "Ri rust re rin Russia, raybe rhey rave rood ror re", Artanis thought to himself. To him, the town looked abandoned. Houses everywhere with weeds overgrown, and a gigantic ferris wheel that was starting to rust. He continued to wander when off in the distance, he saw something. It was a box of Scooby Snax! He went over and ate every single one of them. What he failed to realize was that he was in Chernobyl, a place that had been uninhabited since a nuclear disaster in the 1980s. He didn't make it through the night.
Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died! It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida.
On January 12 2014 18:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: So who exactly are you calling scum? And why?
In light of the fact that you and HF can't be mafia together at this point, I'm just going to work on the assumption that since you two have such a strong history of playing with each other (to my understanding) that one of you wouldn't confirm the other as town if you weren't absolutely certain.
At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
From my perspective, if you and HF are correct about each other, this game is autowin because we just lynch Derrida/Giggle and one of them will be scum. If you waste a misslynch on me however, you'll have to discern between which one of them the scum is (again, assuming that you two are right to confirm each other as town). I'd still look at Derrida over Giggle, but I haven't gone and done any real analysis of the player filters since Mocsta flipped red.
You display all the patterns of a scum whose partner was getting lynched, your attitude at the start was sending crazy mixed messages. The shot on artanis could realistically only come from you. Your reads are beyond the normal town flip flopping and now you try and blame the games demise on one of me and rayn instead of trying to further solve the game or actually determine whether me or rayn were wrong about each other.
You are scum, you played well for your second game of scum. Sleep easy young babe for it shall all be over soon.
On January 13 2014 16:52 Holyflare wrote: You display all the patterns of a scum whose partner was getting lynched, your attitude at the start was sending crazy mixed messages. The shot on artanis could realistically only come from you. Your reads are beyond the normal town flip flopping and now you try and blame the games demise on one of me and rayn instead of trying to further solve the game or actually determine whether me or rayn were wrong about each other.
You are scum, you played well for your second game of scum. Sleep easy young babe for it shall all be over soon.
My attitude in the beginning was to get the game to start. Nothing mixed about it. I can't really remember any serious reads before my first post. Independent of that fact, how was my attitude at the start of the game relevant to the pattern of a "scum whose partner was just lynched" anyways?
I'd love for you to explain the Artanis shot conclusion as I don't see why it's incompatible for anyone's play to have shot him.
I guess if that's true about my reads, then I just flip flop more than the ordinary player.
There is no "games demise" for me to blame anyone for right now. We're in a really good position having lynched the first scum D1. I'm just saying if you or Rayn flip scum this game and the town of you misshammers in final 3, should you even be alive, that person will be to blame for the town loss, especially if they just go into the day like you did blind-voting without any hesitation or second-guessing.
Lastly, it's pretty-pretty-pretty ironic of you to accuse me of not trying to further solve the game when I was the first person to put any actual thought into the game since D2 started. I put some trust into you two as veterans to re-evaluate each other today and if you still vouch for each other with certainty, it has to be between Derrida or Giggle.
I am not scum and this is my first town game. Perhaps you should use your filter comparison skills you used to clear Derrida as town on me and tell me what the results are.
I'm fine with that. Very little in the way of mocsta mentions early, almost always as part of a group.
Went for rayn when mocsta was picking up votes and it sounded like artanis/I would rather lynch rayn (also, we wanted to lynch rayn instead, not "sounded like")
Posted that office space bit on HF.
Spent forever accusing Derrida, never went and read the one other game that was linked nice and easy for him. After reading, concluding the filters seem different, but weren't "night and day" and he wasn't cleared.
Derrida still seems very unlikely, given the difference in play and somewhat for the hammer. HF seems unlikely. I'm not. That leaves me rayn and GG, happy to lynch GG today over rayn.
On January 14 2014 05:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am obviously town.
And I'm obviously a pterodactyl.
But there aren't a lot of options left, and by virtue of looking less townie than HF or derrida, you're second on the list. Pterodactyls are good at math.
So with Rayn/HF both tunneling on me, I don't care if they're veterans or not. Their judgment obviously isn't good enough to clear each other as confirmed town based on the fact of how bad their read is on me, especially when they aren't even trying to address my arguments.
Also, Rayn is acting as mad as someone who just had their partner get lynched who voted themselves D1. This is the second time he's lost his temper (the first when I voted him over Mocsta) and acted bm-as-fuck responding with ad hominem to people's arguments and completely ignoring them.
Then again, HF ignored all of my arguments as well after I asked him to back up some of his baseless accusations. I'm honestly fine with voting either of them at this point because I'd rather lose to lurker mafia than bm mafia who isn't even playing the game. And even if they're town, they're bad town. I don't want to go to final 3 with either of them because they will throw if they play like they did today.
##Vote Rayn
I don't care if that makes me look scummy for flip flopping - in light of new information, my reads will change. Aside from the point about Office Space, Giggle just made the only townie post since the day started. Even if he's wrong about me, at least he's giving unique reasons for his reads.
No. This is literally what you do: "rayn and Holyflare are scum" (when one mafia has flipped) I point out your bad logic. "oh, rayn i scum, artanis so town, holyflare maybe scum" then artanis dies "oh rayn is town, holyflre town" then someone makes some bullshit arguments, i call them out of it "oh but rayn is scum"
That's so bullshit. so so very bullshit there is no way you are town.
like i don't even care to argue with you because your löogic for your reads can't possible come from a townie and everyone who reads your filter can see it.
On January 14 2014 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: No. This is literally what you do: "rayn and Holyflare are scum" (when one mafia has flipped) I point out your bad logic. "oh, rayn i scum, artanis so town, holyflare maybe scum" then artanis dies "oh rayn is town, holyflre town" then someone makes some bullshit arguments, i call them out of it "oh but rayn is scum"
That's so bullshit. so so very bullshit there is no way you are town.
ggnore.
Where exactly did you point out my "bad logic" again?
I haven't made a bullshit argument yet. I'm playing the game, giving reads, and asking for information.
This very post of yours is, ironically, itself a bullshit argument. You're either the worst town I've seen or mafia
On January 14 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: like i don't even care to argue with you because your löogic for your reads can't possible come from a townie and everyone who reads your filter can see it.
You aren't arguing with me anyways, you're just spewing ad hominem out of your mouth.
It should be self-evident to everyone you are mafia when your top town read (who calls your top scumread mafia) flips your top scumread suddenly becomes your townread.
I'm not even trying to be BM here, but I can't even read that last post. Can you use specific names so I know what point you're trying to make? The grammar of it is weird.
How can you say that I've been playing bad when i literally lynched scum yesterday? Lolol you funny. Now you are annoyed that I've brought up your name and posted why you are scum and 2 other people agree? Are we all scum?
I could make a case but i don't need to because other people have eyes and some have some resemblance of brains. I'm also studying for my exams which were today and tomorrow.
Your vote on rayn is.... Yeh
Giggle why did you not vote templar when you just posted all of that?
On January 14 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote: How can you say that I've been playing bad when i literally lynched scum yesterday? Lolol you funny. Now you are annoyed that I've brought up your name and posted why you are scum and 2 other people agree? Are we all scum?
I could make a case but i don't need to because other people have eyes and some have some resemblance of brains. I'm also studying for my exams which were today and tomorrow.
Your vote on rayn is.... Yeh
Giggle why did you not vote templar when you just posted all of that?
Because I'd take it to x-1 again, Aquanim hasn't checked in, etc. etc.
Happy to do so now, although drawing this out a little gives some info on rayn.
On January 14 2014 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have me as your scumread. Artanis has me as his scumread. Artanis gets killed. I am suddenly your townread.
There is no logic.
That wasn't why I said you were town. I said I was willing to make an assumption based on the veterancy of HF and yourself and your certain reads of each other but the way you've both played today has called into question the safeness of that assumption from my perspective.
If there's a shortcut I can make use of I'd like to use it. If that reads scum then w/e
On January 14 2014 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have me as your scumread. Artanis has me as his scumread. Artanis gets killed. I am suddenly your townread.
There is no logic.
That wasn't why I said you were town. I said I was willing to make an assumption based on the veterancy of HF and yourself and your certain reads of each other but the way you've both played today has called into question the safeness of that assumption from my perspective.
If there's a shortcut I can make use of I'd like to use it. If that reads scum then w/e
There is no reason to change your read from N1 when nothing has changed besides Artanis dying. Stop squirming scum.
On January 14 2014 06:30 Holyflare wrote: How can you say that I've been playing bad when i literally lynched scum yesterday? Lolol you funny. Now you are annoyed that I've brought up your name and posted why you are scum and 2 other people agree? Are we all scum?
I could make a case but i don't need to because other people have eyes and some have some resemblance of brains. I'm also studying for my exams which were today and tomorrow.
Your vote on rayn is.... Yeh
Giggle why did you not vote templar when you just posted all of that?
Yesterday is not today, I never said you played poorly D1 (aside from the scooby doo spam at the start, you played fine). D2, you made a ton of spam posts, gave baseless accusations for why I'm scum, and when I responded with counterarguments, you ignored them. You haven't played well today at all.
I just said I actually think Giggle is town because he gave unique reasons for me being scum that I honestly would see eye-to-eye with if I was in his shoes, so no you aren't all scum.
On January 14 2014 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have me as your scumread. Artanis has me as his scumread. Artanis gets killed. I am suddenly your townread.
There is no logic.
That wasn't why I said you were town. I said I was willing to make an assumption based on the veterancy of HF and yourself and your certain reads of each other but the way you've both played today has called into question the safeness of that assumption from my perspective.
If there's a shortcut I can make use of I'd like to use it. If that reads scum then w/e
There is no reason to change your read from N1 when nothing has changed besides Artanis dying. Stop squirming scum.
I red you and Mocsta both as scummy, but didn't necessarily draw a hard connection between the two of you being scum together. When Mocsta flipped red, that eliminates the possibility of you being paired with HF. Why wouldn't any town change their reads in light of said new information?
On January 12 2014 12:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town.
On January 13 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote: Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died! It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida.
On January 13 2014 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote: At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
On January 14 2014 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are avoiding the issue.
You read me scum. Artanis read me scum. Artanis flipped. This, to you, if you are town, should point me being scum MORE. You read me town.
Again, there is no logic. Nothing else happened between.
No you are ignoring my logic.
I hadn't ever considered you as a lone scum at that point because of the surety of HF's townread on you. I considered you might be with him, but when Mocsta flips red, you being with HF ceases to be possible.
I actually think it would be much more mafia of me to bring up the night death and who their scumread is.
"Hey guys, the guy who scumread Rayn died last night. He's probably scum"
That's literally the easiest read to make in the history of ever. How does it read townie for someone to point that out? It's more an observation than anything as it's blatantly obvious to everyone who died and what their reads were already.
I follow the reasoning behind it but my reads were based on other things less obvious.
On January 12 2014 12:33 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I'm going off my reads elaborated in the previous pages which currently point to Rayn as the likely scum and Artanis as likely town.
On January 13 2014 09:09 Corazon wrote: Artanis [Xp], as a VT, ate radioactive Scooby Snax and died! It is now Day 2. With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to lynch. I'm working on finding a replacement for Derrida.
On January 13 2014 10:26 GGTeMpLaR wrote: At this point, I'm going to have to say it's between Derrida or Giggle. They both had pretty crappy reasons for voting on Mocsta, who had practically buried himself. In fact, I don't even think Derrida gave a reason, he just hammered the vote and claimed confirmed town for doing it. Meanwhile, Giggle simply claimed it was a policy lynch. I liked a lot of what Giggle contributed on D1 so that just leaves Derrida.
On January 14 2014 06:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are avoiding the issue.
You read me scum. Artanis read me scum. Artanis flipped. This, to you, if you are town, should point me being scum MORE. You read me town.
Again, there is no logic. Nothing else happened between.
No you are ignoring my logic.
I hadn't ever considered you as a lone scum at that point because of the surety of HF's townread on you. I considered you might be with him, but when Mocsta flips red, you being with HF ceases to be possible.
I actually think it would be much more mafia of me to bring up the night death and who their scumread is.
"Hey guys, the guy who scumread Rayn died last night. He's probably scum"
That's literally the easiest read to make in the history of ever. How does it read townie for someone to point that out? It's more an observation than anything as it's blatantly obvious to everyone who died and what their reads were already.
I follow the reasoning behind it but my reads were based on other things less obvious.
Rayn is going to make 15 posts calling this bad. He should not.
Anyone of any alignment should make that argument. If you're town, you want rayn lynched, and pointing out that the townie who died overnight wanted to lynch rayn helps you lynch rayn. Good for town GG. If you're mafia, you want a mislynch, and you'll grab whatever a townie would to help you mislynch. Good for scum GG. Easyness has nothing to do with it. If rayn accidentally claims scum in thread, it's easy to lynch him, and still correct. Obvious arguments are obvious because most players think they point towards a conclusion.
On January 14 2014 06:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I haven't once called you scum for reading me as scum (even though you haven't even said why you think I am scum).
I have posted the same case three times. Who is not reading?
On January 14 2014 06:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: So lay out every reason why i am mafia and why my behavior comes more likely from mafia perspective than from town perspective and i demolish them.
go!
I've yet to see anything like this from you since D2 started and it was pretty scarce even on D1. You can't just give bullshit accusations without reasons and ask everyone to repeat their reasons again and again.
How about you go back and reread my filter. The reasons I think you're scum are all there.
On January 14 2014 06:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I haven't once called you scum for reading me as scum (even though you haven't even said why you think I am scum).
I have posted the same case three times. Who is not reading?
I've refuted that same case three times. Clearly you aren't for ignoring my responses.
On January 14 2014 06:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So with Rayn/HF both tunneling on me, I don't care if they're veterans or not. (1)Their judgment obviously isn't good enough to clear each other as confirmed town based on the fact of how bad their read is on me, especially when they aren't even trying to address my arguments.
(2)Also, Rayn is acting as mad as someone who just had their partner get lynched who voted themselves D1. (3)This is the second time he's lost his temper (the first when I voted him over Mocsta) and acted bm-as-fuck responding with ad hominem to people's arguments and completely ignoring them.
Then again, HF ignored all of my arguments as well after I asked him to back up some of his baseless accusations. (4)I'm honestly fine with voting either of them at this point because I'd rather lose to lurker mafia than bm mafia who isn't even playing the game. (5)And even if they're town, they're bad town. I don't want to go to final 3 with either of them because they will throw if they play like they did today.
##Vote Rayn
I don't care if that makes me look scummy for flip flopping - in light of new information, my reads will change. Aside from the point about Office Space, Giggle just made the only townie post since the day started. Even if he's wrong about me, at least he's giving unique reasons for his reads.
1. OMGUS 2. I get mad over stupidity as town. Not alignment indicative 3. See (2) 4. You don't even call me scum, you don't even care who is lynched between me and HF. 5. Implies you don't even think me/HF is scum, you just don't want us alive.
On January 14 2014 06:15 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So with Rayn/HF both tunneling on me, I don't care if they're veterans or not. (1)Their judgment obviously isn't good enough to clear each other as confirmed town based on the fact of how bad their read is on me, especially when they aren't even trying to address my arguments.
(2)Also, Rayn is acting as mad as someone who just had their partner get lynched who voted themselves D1. (3)This is the second time he's lost his temper (the first when I voted him over Mocsta) and acted bm-as-fuck responding with ad hominem to people's arguments and completely ignoring them.
Then again, HF ignored all of my arguments as well after I asked him to back up some of his baseless accusations. (4)I'm honestly fine with voting either of them at this point because I'd rather lose to lurker mafia than bm mafia who isn't even playing the game. (5)And even if they're town, they're bad town. I don't want to go to final 3 with either of them because they will throw if they play like they did today.
##Vote Rayn
I don't care if that makes me look scummy for flip flopping - in light of new information, my reads will change. Aside from the point about Office Space, Giggle just made the only townie post since the day started. Even if he's wrong about me, at least he's giving unique reasons for his reads.
1. OMGUS 2. I get mad over stupidity as town. Not alignment indicative 3. See (2) 4. You don't even call me scum, you don't even care who is lynched between me and HF. 5. Implies you don't even think me/HF is scum, you just don't want us alive.
What was your case again?
1. Not OMGUS. I'm not calling you scum because you read me as scum. I've backed off a reason I town-read I had assumed I could make for both of you. 2/3. Fine. 4. I voted you over HF, it's clear I care. 5. No such implication is made. It's merely a pre-emptive acknowledgement that I'm not saying you're confirmed scum. Some people like to misuse the word "certain" and "confirmed" and others don't.
You want some reasons even though you've given none on why I'm scum?
1. First actual post with reads
On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have read. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it.
You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason.
You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town.
On January 10 2014 15:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have read. ##Vote: GGTeMpLaR
Derrida is a pretty pretty town. Holyflare most likely town for realising it.
You sheep HF's read on Derrida that didn't even have any reasons behind it to begin with. You then vote on me for no reason aside from going hard on someone you've cleared as town without any reason.
You pocket HF by giving a biased argument centered around me and everyone else being responsible for shitting up the thread, and say HF isn't responsible when the first two pages of his filter are spam. HF hasn't even given a read on the game at this point (aside from saying Derrida is confirmed town), yet you know he's town.
How's that scum?
Your reasons are bullshit. You can't call me mafia for something i have done at the start of D1, when you have townread me at the start of D2!!
Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons-
-Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum -It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF -This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) -And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons-
-Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum -It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF -This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle) -And lastly, I've grown less sure of HF and I'm actually thinking that they both pocketed the shit out of me, especially with the Backho BW reference and Scooby Doo stories (which I actually thought were hilarious even though I misread HF's "clue searching encouragement" initially)
So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed". That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right.
GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae?
On January 14 2014 07:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: So you voted me because you were "speculating a possible scenario you can back off if needed". That's like textbook scum play, not commiting on a read, leaving yourself outs left and right.
GGTeMpLaR is so mafia it comes out from his ears, can you guys please just vote for him so we can end this gmae?
wow I don't even the bold part
wat?
I'll just bold why I voted for you to make it easiest on us both
On January 12 2014 07:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440222¤tpage=19#367 -I think Giggletummy actually made decent points against Rayn, especially his noting how Rayn's early arguments against Artanis were weak. He also brings up solid points on the inconsistency of which players posting history are being looked at vs which are being ignored, especially after how much shit I got for not looking into Derrida's posting history.
I don't like how Rayn still accuses Giggle of not taking a stance on Mocsta/Artanis when he literally talks about them in the few posts above -
I am town-reading Giggle and scum-reading Rayn for these reasons. ##Unvote
Between Rayn and Mocsta, I'm honestly more suspicious of Rayn than Mocsta at the moment mainly for these reasons-
-Rayn so quickly read Derrida as town (like he had perfect information and was looking for an easy pocket) and went hard onto me for disagreeing when I felt there were excellent reasons to read him as scum -It very much felt like Rayn's reads on Artanis (saying he was trolling and not playing the game - which was incorrect) was extremely inconsistent with his reads of HF
-This point is speculation but it honestly feels like Rayn pressuring Giggle over his policy-vote is setting himself up to go hard on Giggle tomorrow when Mocsta flips green (which is another reason you should never policy-lynch someone you think is town Giggle)
I didn't bold the last bit just for you Scummy-Scummy-Doo <3
You literally adopted the policy that rayn was town because i said so and referred to me being a vet so i know my stuff. Why did you not then accept my town read of derrida?
On January 14 2014 08:00 Holyflare wrote: You literally adopted the policy that rayn was town because i said so and referred to me being a vet so i know my stuff. Why did you not then accept my town read of derrida?
It wasn't ever that you were a vet, but that you have a long history of games with rayn together. It's a risky shortcut I felt comfortable making before.
I don't feel comfortable making it anymore though and I think you're just wrong on rayn who is probably the remaining scum.
Giggle's thought process has been town as hell today, even if he's wrong on me.
You were really scummy early on, but what's even more scummy is how Rayn literally sheeped your every move and pretended to be in on it. I think you got pocketed hardcore.
I got replaced in at pretty much the moment I went to sleep.
Things I've learned so far: Holyflareistown Rayn probably town too, but not in such a way I can just conveniently link a post or two and show it. This post by Giggletummy is super-sketchy. He needs more reading. I don't understand GGTeMpLaR's reads at this point but for a first-game scum he's got a lot of spunk.
On January 14 2014 08:28 Aquanim wrote: I got replaced in at pretty much the moment I went to sleep.
Things I've learned so far: Holyflareistown Rayn probably town too, but not in such a way I can just conveniently link a post or two and show it. This post by Giggletummy is super-sketchy. He needs more reading. I don't understand GGTeMpLaR's reads at this point but for a first-game scum he's got a lot of spunk.
Artanis shot because scum sent in an NK on him. Anything else, him being more experienced than other players in this game, scum wanting to hit a townie but being worried about medic protection on obvious folks, rayn being scum and wanting artanis dead, scum not liking brackets, etc. etc, is speculation.
On January 14 2014 08:28 Aquanim wrote: I got replaced in at pretty much the moment I went to sleep.
Things I've learned so far: Holyflareistown Rayn probably town too, but not in such a way I can just conveniently link a post or two and show it. This post by Giggletummy is super-sketchy. He needs more reading. I don't understand GGTeMpLaR's reads at this point but for a first-game scum he's got a lot of spunk.
huh OK. I went and had a look at it - doesn't give me any good reason to believe he's town by comparison but without a town game to compare to I don't have much faith in meta-reading him accurately.
Oh, well then. Carry on. If he's green we lynch someone else though. We'll see about NK and any doctor claims and whatnot during D3 if we make it there.
Thanks to my players and my co-host, Alakaslam, for a clean and well-run game. I hope you guys enjoyed this really small set-up. If you want, feel free to leave feedback.
On January 14 2014 11:28 Holyflare wrote: He literally claimed medic on night 1
yes he did.
But then again i was 99% sure he is town from his first post. In LSB game i was 99% sure he was scum before he made his first post.
easy read <3
haha yeah, the LSB game was just like... poor foresight on his part... you clearly use his meta in this game to ping him as town, why would he completely copy his meta as scum when you were in the other game too -_-
Templar i had you as scum day 1 that clue i sent to rayn was legit reads. If you guys kept playing it would have gotten so much better! The thing that convinced me you were scum was that post you called scummy in your qt, i just couldn't spend time making cases because a) people didn't listen day 1 and b) i have exams. You shouldn't be afraid to call out your team mate as scummy when he does something genuinely scummy like that.
On January 14 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Templar i had you as scum day 1 that clue i sent to rayn was legit reads. If you guys kept playing it would have gotten so much better! The thing that convinced me you were scum was that post you called scummy in your qt, i just couldn't spend time making cases because a) people didn't listen day 1 and b) i have exams. You shouldn't be afraid to call out your team mate as scummy when he does something genuinely scummy like that.
On January 14 2014 11:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: raynpelikoneet theRed Dragonwas hammered to modkill for claiming Dragon in blue. Artanis the Scrappy dog died in process.
Your slanderous lies have been fixed to your death you have been nixed.
On January 14 2014 11:54 Aquanim wrote: Everyone talking about Derrida being obvtown and making meta reads in LXIV was bloody awkward when I'd replaced into this slot >.<
Still though GG, the game was fairly entertaining to read. I skipped over the scooby-doo stuff btw.
On January 14 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Templar i had you as scum day 1 that clue i sent to rayn was legit reads. If you guys kept playing it would have gotten so much better! The thing that convinced me you were scum was that post you called scummy in your qt, i just couldn't spend time making cases because a) people didn't listen day 1 and b) i have exams. You shouldn't be afraid to call out your team mate as scummy when he does something genuinely scummy like that.
which one?
The one where mocsta self voted and you said he might be scum but rayn is more scummy the one with all the links to posts
On January 14 2014 11:45 Holyflare wrote: Templar i had you as scum day 1 that clue i sent to rayn was legit reads. If you guys kept playing it would have gotten so much better! The thing that convinced me you were scum was that post you called scummy in your qt, i just couldn't spend time making cases because a) people didn't listen day 1 and b) i have exams. You shouldn't be afraid to call out your team mate as scummy when he does something genuinely scummy like that.
which one?
The one where mocsta self voted and you said he might be scum but rayn is more scummy the one with all the links to posts
Oh yea, I was like "well shit" when Derrida hammered him.
Props to GGTemplar for the second scum game in a row, you did really well for yourself. Find yourself a slightly bigger game and cross your fingers for town. It only gets more fun from here.
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