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So now that it is time to decide who to lynch, we should think about whose lynch will provide the most information.
The current FoS/Lynch votes have been directed to:
grush<---- Release(voted), me ha<------- s0lstice The_zen_man<-------- Lazermonkey(FoS) Lazermonkey<---------- The_Zen_man(FoS) Or something like this.
To me, the most probable first day lynch will be grush or ha. (zen man and lazermonkey have been trading blows with one another, but we havent paid attention to that all that much)
What info will lynching grush provide us? grush's stance toward: ha: Thinks he is mafia, but was soft defended by ha. Release: reads town on release, was the individual to put grush into spotlight KtheZ: Suspicious because he didn't notice how ha is "obviously" mafia s0Lstice: He seems positively inclined toward s0Lstice Vivax: Thinks he is mafia, because he was lurker (does position change now that hes posting?)
Note:No noted opinions on others
What info will lynching ha provide us? grush:soft defended by ha KtheZ: unconvinced ha is mafia s0Lstice: FoSed/Voted ha ShiaoPi: Advocated pushing ha for more info Note: I haven't seen many of ha's own opinions on others, just him defending hiimself. No noted opinions on others.
ShiaoPi, you should post some more! I'm curious to hear your position on things!
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Now that I think about it, it might be more like something like this:
grush<---- Release(voted), me(FoS), s0Lstice(FoS) ha<------- s0lstice(voted), ShiaoPi(FoS?), grush(FoS) The_zen_man<-------- Lazermonkey(FoS) Lazermonkey<---------- The_Zen_man(FoS)
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I think I'll place my vote on grush for now. If new compelling evidence comes up, I'm definitely open to accepting it.
##Vote: grush57
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Feel free to copy-paste the little list and fill it with your own thoughts!
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On June 11 2012 03:51 KtheZ wrote: So now that it is time to decide who to lynch, we should think about whose lynch will provide the most information.
The current FoS/Lynch votes have been directed to:
grush<---- Release(voted), me ha<------- s0lstice The_zen_man<-------- Lazermonkey(FoS) Lazermonkey<---------- The_Zen_man(FoS) Or something like this.
To me, the most probable first day lynch will be grush or ha. (zen man and lazermonkey have been trading blows with one another, but we havent paid attention to that all that much) First off, I voted The_Zen_Man, he FoSed me.
Why havn't you paid attention to my case on The_Zen_Man? Unless I'm misstaken it's about 4 hours untill deadline. This is more than enough time for us to get 5 on this scum also known as The_Zen_Man.
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KtheZ is rocketing up the scum charts.
We lynch to kill scum. Period. Factoring in what information our target will give to decide our lynch candidate is ludicrous. You suggesting it is scummy.
People have already talked about your percentage nonsense, so I won't rehash beyond saying that it paints you in a very bad light. If you are aiming to get lynched, keep doing it. We want words, not numbers.
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On June 11 2012 03:11 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 21:56 ha236 wrote: On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: What is also interesting is that not long after ha236 posted about Lazermonkeys's flawed logic and "exaggerating", Solstice came and posted a "case" on ha236, which was imo very weak. Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?
It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... This part stands out to me. You're basing your suspiscion on the fact that solstice and Release have said so? I might have misunderstood this but t he reason people think I'm suspicious is because I've softly defended grush. If I havn't allready let me go over it again; I don't think grush is scum. In my opinion there is not enough information to decide this, basically the only thing grush has posted about is trying to defend himself against Release's relentless nitpicking of his posts. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you overestimate the value of that conversation. Anyone in their right minds understands that encouraging the rest of the players to not post (not exposing any information) so you're stuck at square one for the whole game pretty much labels you as mafia instantly. It's way to simple to lynch him because of this. He felt obligied to defend himself since he didn't want to end up in the situation (that he's in now anyway) where he's look suspicious because he hasn't answered peoples questions. No, it's because you said what Lazermonkey said was strange, and then agreed with him. Are you claiming that he is or isn't scum in the second bold? You said earlier that there is not enough information was now you say "way [too] simple to lynch him..." So the reasoning is obvious, therefore you don't want to lynch him?
Your ignorance is hilarious, I've said countless times that I agreed with him on that one point but thought the rest of the post was strange. Why is it you continue to bring this up? Who are you trying to fool?
Perhaps you should read what you just quoted/wrote. I said that I cannot decide anything based on that discussion because it doesn't provide enough information for me which is exactly what I've allready said.
About the voting... At this my attention is on Release and solstice sseeing as they insist on allways bringing up my post on Lazermonkey, how I contradict myself (which is wrong), and instantly after this I'm #2 on the scum meter? I might be missing something here but the logic behind their decisions are to me very lacking.
Also it annoys me when people are stating that others are 100% town because they stick to their opinions? This is the pinnacle of ignorance, there's an expression that goes "Don't judge a book by it's cover" which aplies nicely here. "Sticking to your guns" is what tunneling someone is all about, an informed decision is made by taking information from many sources and analyzing and compiling them to a well thought-out thesis. Ex. Having one source on the source-reference page in an essay will most definately net you an F.
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On June 11 2012 04:04 s0Lstice wrote: KtheZ is rocketing up the scum charts.
We lynch to kill scum. Period. Factoring in what information our target will give to decide our lynch candidate is ludicrous. You suggesting it is scummy.
People have already talked about your percentage nonsense, so I won't rehash beyond saying that it paints you in a very bad light. If you are aiming to get lynched, keep doing it. We want words, not numbers.
I am definitely lynching to kill scum. Lynching to kill scum and factoring what information can be netted are not mutually exclusive; I was listing what information we would gain based on who we lynched. I agree that I phrased that poorly. What I meant was that given the lynch, look at what information we gain. I did not intend for the factoring in of information to be a vote-changer.
I don't understand what is wrong with this "percentage nonsense". If supplemented with analysis it provides a snapshot of my current views on people, which I feel provides more information to town. However, if people think it is anti-town, I will stop.
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EBWOP: To add to the previous statement: Although an explanation of how it is anti-town would be appreciated.
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On June 11 2012 04:20 ha236 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 03:11 Release wrote:On June 10 2012 21:56 ha236 wrote: On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: What is also interesting is that not long after ha236 posted about Lazermonkeys's flawed logic and "exaggerating", Solstice came and posted a "case" on ha236, which was imo very weak. Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?
It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... This part stands out to me. You're basing your suspiscion on the fact that solstice and Release have said so? I might have misunderstood this but t he reason people think I'm suspicious is because I've softly defended grush. If I havn't allready let me go over it again; I don't think grush is scum. In my opinion there is not enough information to decide this, basically the only thing grush has posted about is trying to defend himself against Release's relentless nitpicking of his posts. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you overestimate the value of that conversation. Anyone in their right minds understands that encouraging the rest of the players to not post (not exposing any information) so you're stuck at square one for the whole game pretty much labels you as mafia instantly. It's way to simple to lynch him because of this. He felt obligied to defend himself since he didn't want to end up in the situation (that he's in now anyway) where he's look suspicious because he hasn't answered peoples questions. No, it's because you said what Lazermonkey said was strange, and then agreed with him. Are you claiming that he is or isn't scum in the second bold? You said earlier that there is not enough information was now you say "way [too] simple to lynch him..." So the reasoning is obvious, therefore you don't want to lynch him? Your ignorance is hilarious, I've said countless times that I agreed with him on that one point but thought the rest of the post was strange. Why is it you continue to bring this up? Who are you trying to fool?Perhaps you should read what you just quoted/wrote. I said that I cannot decide anything based on that discussion because it doesn't provide enough information for me which is exactly what I've allready said. About the voting... At this my attention is on Release and solstice sseeing as they insist on allways bringing up my post on Lazermonkey, how I contradict myself (which is wrong), and instantly after this I'm #2 on the scum meter? I might be missing something here but the logic behind their decisions are to me very lacking. Also it annoys me when people are stating that others are 100% town because they stick to their opinions? This is the pinnacle of ignorance, there's an expression that goes "Don't judge a book by it's cover" which aplies nicely here. "Sticking to your guns" is what tunneling someone is all about, an informed decision is made by taking information from many sources and analyzing and compiling them to a well thought-out thesis. Ex. Having one source on the source-reference page in an essay will most definately net you an F. haven't read the whole post but i'm going to clarify something right now:
On June 10 2012 06:03 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 04:54 s0Lstice wrote:Very happy to see that the discussion has picked up. Now I want to talk about ha236Let's look at his post on grush and LazerMonkey. On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote: As a first time player I probably would have made the same mistake grush did (I don't know if this is his first time but w/e) and say that there is nothing to talk about on the first day, but as Release said that obviously puts us in a bad situation when no one is posting at all. Also the content of grush's posts has been pretty lackluster but again, seeing as this is a noob-game I think that's something we have to expect. This is a soft defense of grush, based on the sentiment that a first time player makes mistakes, yet you don't care enough to check if this really is his first game? How is that 'w/e' when your defense of him relies on qualifying the mistakes he is making as first time player mistakes? Then you talk about LaserMonkey.. On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:After this discussion ended we tasted some new blood in the thread - Lazermonkey and Zen man. While not being able to get a good "read" on any of you two (you not having posted much yet) some of Lazermonkey's comments on the Release-grush discussion seemed strange to me. On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote: (What case?) Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours
So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk. He does not say that it is "fine if people lurk". My interpretation of the sentances is that he does not know what to post about and then proposes the subject of why people are not posting and offers his explanation (being that the game just started, people might not be by the computer and even if they are they may be watching MLG). On June 09 2012 13:55 grush57 wrote: K well it's hard to do with half the people didn't even post yet. I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers. So now you are once again really suspicious of people not posting. Also if there are two mafia among the lurkers it means that you have a townread on s0Lstice, KtheZ and Release. Correct? In this paragraph Lazermonkey is trying to make the rest of us believe that grush said something he has not, that he is "suspicious of people not posting". Grush says he "wouldn't be surprised if the two mafia are in those lurkers" and from this Lazermonkey believes him to have a town read on the rest of the posters at that time. Lastly, I like the way Lazermonkey explained his stance on lurkers (two different kinds) however I don't think you can justifiably apply the one about posting stuff with no actual content so early on in the game and I ultimately agree that grush has been changing his stance on whether it is good or not to lynch lurkers. Very loud contradiction. If Lazermonkey's comments are strange then why are you agreeing with them? Why did you defend grush if you think Lazermonkey has something there? ##FoS: ha236 To check if this really is Grush's first game is a tremendous waste of time. There are far too many game to check. (i believe we have 55 regular mafias and 15 newb ones.) To me it looks like he is trying to buddy up to grush but i can't be sure of that. I agree; playing the noob card as reasoning is too much assumptions. It looks more like the two quoted posts are strange (and putting words in grush's mouth) but the agreement is that grush has been wishy-washy. I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't. I'm the one who is agreeing with your post on monkey. I was bringing up the general reason why there was suspicion behind you in the first place.
And thanks for voting for solstice.
##unvote: Grush ##vote: ha236
For now, solstice has been quite helpful. Your voting for him because he was the first person to cast suspicion on you is rather silly. if anyone, you probably should have voted for me.
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kthez, switch your vote to ha. I won't be voting for grush today, and i doubt solstice will either.
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ShiaoPi, where are you bro? Voting is mandatory, would hate for inactivity to kill another game.
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So right now, we have not too much time untill lynching. We need to get something done here. With nine players there are 5(Lol) players that have received FoS/Votes unless I'm misstaken. These players are: grush Ha236 me(Lazermonkey) The_Zen_Man s0Lstice s0Lstice were also suspicious of KtheZ recently, although no FoS were placed.
We need to know who are willing to vote for who, even if they are not your n1 scumread if we are going to get a decent lynch tonight.
Right now my main scumread is The_Zen_Man but I am also willing to lynch grush. Ha236 has imo given quite solid response to the accusations against him and I'm not very keen on lynching him anymore. I am not sure about either s0lstice and KtheZ yet tho, as their cases were very recently posted.
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We can take care of grush any day. Right now, i'm set on taking ha out of the picture.
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On June 11 2012 04:20 ha236 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 03:11 Release wrote:On June 10 2012 21:56 ha236 wrote: On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: What is also interesting is that not long after ha236 posted about Lazermonkeys's flawed logic and "exaggerating", Solstice came and posted a "case" on ha236, which was imo very weak. Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?
It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... This part stands out to me. You're basing your suspiscion on the fact that solstice and Release have said so? I might have misunderstood this but t he reason people think I'm suspicious is because I've softly defended grush. If I havn't allready let me go over it again; I don't think grush is scum. In my opinion there is not enough information to decide this, basically the only thing grush has posted about is trying to defend himself against Release's relentless nitpicking of his posts. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you overestimate the value of that conversation. Anyone in their right minds understands that encouraging the rest of the players to not post (not exposing any information) so you're stuck at square one for the whole game pretty much labels you as mafia instantly. It's way to simple to lynch him because of this. He felt obligied to defend himself since he didn't want to end up in the situation (that he's in now anyway) where he's look suspicious because he hasn't answered peoples questions. No, it's because you said what Lazermonkey said was strange, and then agreed with him. Are you claiming that he is or isn't scum in the second bold? You said earlier that there is not enough information was now you say "way [too] simple to lynch him..." So the reasoning is obvious, therefore you don't want to lynch him? Your ignorance is hilarious, I've said countless times that I agreed with him on that one point but thought the rest of the post was strange. Why is it you continue to bring this up? Who are you trying to fool? Perhaps you should read what you just quoted/wrote. I said that I cannot decide anything based on that discussion because it doesn't provide enough information for me which is exactly what I've allready said. About the voting... At this my attention is on Release and solstice sseeing as they insist on allways bringing up my post on Lazermonkey, how I contradict myself (which is wrong), and instantly after this I'm #2 on the scum meter? I might be missing something here but the logic behind their decisions are to me very lacking. Also it annoys me when people are stating that others are 100% town because they stick to their opinions? This is the pinnacle of ignorance, there's an expression that goes "Don't judge a book by it's cover" which aplies nicely here. "Sticking to your guns" is what tunneling someone is all about, an informed decision is made by taking information from many sources and analyzing and compiling them to a well thought-out thesis. Ex. Having one source on the source-reference page in an essay will most definately net you an F.
This isn't an essay. Often there will only be one big scum-tell post, a smoking gun if you will, off which to build the case. Your first post was mostly fluff, where you attack a player for a bad read, pick that read apart, and then agree with the read. You can get mad all you want, but it was a contradiction.
That said, I don't see your one post on Lazermonkey as the only thing counting against you. We are hours from the deadline, and all you've done of note is defend grush, and accuse the people accusing you.
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Lazermonkey, if you only count FOS and VOTES, (i think you should just read the posts to find out suspicion), i'll add a fos: shiaopi too cause he's been lurking pretty hard.
Still, i'm set on ha.
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On June 11 2012 04:20 KtheZ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 04:04 s0Lstice wrote: KtheZ is rocketing up the scum charts.
We lynch to kill scum. Period. Factoring in what information our target will give to decide our lynch candidate is ludicrous. You suggesting it is scummy.
People have already talked about your percentage nonsense, so I won't rehash beyond saying that it paints you in a very bad light. If you are aiming to get lynched, keep doing it. We want words, not numbers. I am definitely lynching to kill scum. Lynching to kill scum and factoring what information can be netted are not mutually exclusive; I was listing what information we would gain based on who we lynched. I agree that I phrased that poorly. What I meant was that given the lynch, look at what information we gain. I did not intend for the factoring in of information to be a vote-changer. I don't understand what is wrong with this "percentage nonsense". If supplemented with analysis it provides a snapshot of my current views on people, which I feel provides more information to town. However, if people think it is anti-town, I will stop.
The time to talk about information gained from a lynch is after the lynch. Posting it now gives off a big 'look at me I'm contributing' vibe, while you are not actually contributing.
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On June 11 2012 04:35 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On June 11 2012 04:20 ha236 wrote:On June 11 2012 03:11 Release wrote:On June 10 2012 21:56 ha236 wrote: On June 10 2012 20:14 The_Zen_Man wrote: What is also interesting is that not long after ha236 posted about Lazermonkeys's flawed logic and "exaggerating", Solstice came and posted a "case" on ha236, which was imo very weak. Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?
It's intresting that you keep saying that the case on ha236 is so weak when there are already a couple of people willing to vote for him. Surely there must be at least something with his play that is suspicous? ''Lazermonkey then jumped to this idea. Maybe Solstice and Lazermonkey are scumbros and tried to start a bandwagon?'', so the fact that I thought there were something worth of notice in his post makes us both scum? eh... This part stands out to me. You're basing your suspiscion on the fact that solstice and Release have said so? I might have misunderstood this but t he reason people think I'm suspicious is because I've softly defended grush. If I havn't allready let me go over it again; I don't think grush is scum. In my opinion there is not enough information to decide this, basically the only thing grush has posted about is trying to defend himself against Release's relentless nitpicking of his posts. I've said it before and I'll say it again, you overestimate the value of that conversation. Anyone in their right minds understands that encouraging the rest of the players to not post (not exposing any information) so you're stuck at square one for the whole game pretty much labels you as mafia instantly. It's way to simple to lynch him because of this. He felt obligied to defend himself since he didn't want to end up in the situation (that he's in now anyway) where he's look suspicious because he hasn't answered peoples questions. No, it's because you said what Lazermonkey said was strange, and then agreed with him. Are you claiming that he is or isn't scum in the second bold? You said earlier that there is not enough information was now you say "way [too] simple to lynch him..." So the reasoning is obvious, therefore you don't want to lynch him? Your ignorance is hilarious, I've said countless times that I agreed with him on that one point but thought the rest of the post was strange. Why is it you continue to bring this up? Who are you trying to fool?Perhaps you should read what you just quoted/wrote. I said that I cannot decide anything based on that discussion because it doesn't provide enough information for me which is exactly what I've allready said. About the voting... At this my attention is on Release and solstice sseeing as they insist on allways bringing up my post on Lazermonkey, how I contradict myself (which is wrong), and instantly after this I'm #2 on the scum meter? I might be missing something here but the logic behind their decisions are to me very lacking. Also it annoys me when people are stating that others are 100% town because they stick to their opinions? This is the pinnacle of ignorance, there's an expression that goes "Don't judge a book by it's cover" which aplies nicely here. "Sticking to your guns" is what tunneling someone is all about, an informed decision is made by taking information from many sources and analyzing and compiling them to a well thought-out thesis. Ex. Having one source on the source-reference page in an essay will most definately net you an F. haven't read the whole post but i'm going to clarify something right now:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 06:03 Release wrote:On June 10 2012 04:54 s0Lstice wrote:Very happy to see that the discussion has picked up. Now I want to talk about ha236Let's look at his post on grush and LazerMonkey. On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote: As a first time player I probably would have made the same mistake grush did (I don't know if this is his first time but w/e) and say that there is nothing to talk about on the first day, but as Release said that obviously puts us in a bad situation when no one is posting at all. Also the content of grush's posts has been pretty lackluster but again, seeing as this is a noob-game I think that's something we have to expect. This is a soft defense of grush, based on the sentiment that a first time player makes mistakes, yet you don't care enough to check if this really is his first game? How is that 'w/e' when your defense of him relies on qualifying the mistakes he is making as first time player mistakes? Then you talk about LaserMonkey.. On June 09 2012 23:09 ha236 wrote:After this discussion ended we tasted some new blood in the thread - Lazermonkey and Zen man. While not being able to get a good "read" on any of you two (you not having posted much yet) some of Lazermonkey's comments on the Release-grush discussion seemed strange to me. On June 09 2012 11:38 grush57 wrote: (What case?) Whats to talk about, seriously give me something lol. People are lurking? Yeah mlg is on and it's not even 3 hours
So your third post is this. Now you changed your mind. It's fine if people lurk. He does not say that it is "fine if people lurk". My interpretation of the sentances is that he does not know what to post about and then proposes the subject of why people are not posting and offers his explanation (being that the game just started, people might not be by the computer and even if they are they may be watching MLG). On June 09 2012 13:55 grush57 wrote: K well it's hard to do with half the people didn't even post yet. I wouldn't be suprised if the 2 mafia are in those lurkers. So now you are once again really suspicious of people not posting. Also if there are two mafia among the lurkers it means that you have a townread on s0Lstice, KtheZ and Release. Correct? In this paragraph Lazermonkey is trying to make the rest of us believe that grush said something he has not, that he is "suspicious of people not posting". Grush says he "wouldn't be surprised if the two mafia are in those lurkers" and from this Lazermonkey believes him to have a town read on the rest of the posters at that time. Lastly, I like the way Lazermonkey explained his stance on lurkers (two different kinds) however I don't think you can justifiably apply the one about posting stuff with no actual content so early on in the game and I ultimately agree that grush has been changing his stance on whether it is good or not to lynch lurkers. Very loud contradiction. If Lazermonkey's comments are strange then why are you agreeing with them? Why did you defend grush if you think Lazermonkey has something there? ##FoS: ha236 To check if this really is Grush's first game is a tremendous waste of time. There are far too many game to check. (i believe we have 55 regular mafias and 15 newb ones.) To me it looks like he is trying to buddy up to grush but i can't be sure of that. I agree; playing the noob card as reasoning is too much assumptions. It looks more like the two quoted posts are strange (and putting words in grush's mouth) but the agreement is that grush has been wishy-washy. I think ha is setting himself to jump on the bandwagon if there is one, or to avoid starting one if there isn't. I'm the one who is agreeing with your post on monkey. I was bringing up the general reason why there was suspicion behind you in the first place. And thanks for voting for solstice. ##unvote: Grush ##vote: ha236 For now, solstice has been quite helpful. Your voting for him because he was the first person to cast suspicion on you is rather silly. if anyone, you probably should have voted for me.
Another show of your ignorance, anyway in the quoted post there is nothing about you agreeing with me on the topic we're talking about, rather on the grush topic.
Of course you think solstice has been helpful, you and him share the same dumb logic. I am aware that s0Lstice was the first to "raise suspicion" about me and I was sure that someone as superficial as you would comment on that instantly, further proving my point that you havn't come up with any real reason as to why I am suspicious.
Up until now my suspicion, based on your dumb logic and lacking reasoning, has been leaning toward solsice, yes, but with this last post I'll have to change my vote to you, as suggested.
##unvote: s0Lstice ##vote: Release
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On June 11 2012 04:22 KtheZ wrote: EBWOP: To add to the previous statement: Although an explanation of how it is anti-town would be appreciated.
Using percentages leaves you an out. If you say you are 50% on a person and then vote for them, after the fact, you can say 'well I did say that there was a 50% chance that this person is not scum.'
If you want to lynch someone, say so. If you don't want to lynch a person, say that. If you are unsure etc. etc.
Using words to record your opinions leaves a more solid trail to which you can be held accountable.
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