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Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:43 Bluelightz wrote: Umm just kill me and waste your damn PoPs on me while scum just hide and giggle at how prplhz is destorying town from the inside then. I don't see your logic on how im scum, you just said I used my ability then im scum? Fuck this, ##Pull: prplhz Hey scum, DIE What does it mean that I'm "destroying town from the inside"? | ||
Mr. Wiggles
Canada5894 Posts
I'm going to wait, and see what kind of answer I get to this. It will influence how I act today. Bluelightz said that positions 24 and 2 are bombed, which means a point in the danger zone already, and the very other end of the queue. So long as we don't pull people we don't want to kill, we should be fine. The bombs are already laid, so killing bluelightz right now won't do anything. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to see if he's telling the truth, and then if he lied about the bombs, kill him the next day. He also shouldn't lay any more bombs. The point of this idea is to use our PoPs on other people, and hopefully get better discussion. risk, can you please answer my question? Your power is still useful if you pop it one minute before the day post, if the queue is revealed again. Do we get to see the queue at the end of the day? Also, sorry for only glancing at who died before posting, lol. | ||
Acrofales
Spain17190 Posts
On April 04 2012 20:14 Bluelightz wrote: Me giving information to scum = Scum? Maybe your the one that's incredibly stupid...... In addition to being like 90% certainly scum, you have a problem reading conditionals? I state both possible cases. You're either scum, or a townie who might as well be scum for all the help you're giving them. Brb, I'm grabbing my pitchfork (although a torch would be more appropriate, given the circumstances). While I'm at it, if you are serious about the positions of your bombs, might I point out that position 24 is a COMPLETELY USELESS place to put a bomb, regardless of alignment? Anybody who is on position 24 at the end of the day gets incinerated. All you achieve is that now they (maybe) get blown up, in addition to getting incinerated. Whoop-de-doop. Didn't you say your ability was intended to cost us LESS PoPs to kill people? | ||
Acrofales
Spain17190 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Has anybody claimed the kill on Palmar or Shrubbles yet? This is important to me. If you shot one of Palmar/Shrubbles, and haven't claimed yet, please do so. I won't be mad. I promise. Hi guys, I'm mafia fishing for a vigilante so I can shoot him tonight, but I won't be mad. I promise!!! | ||
Bluelightz
Indonesia2463 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On April 04 2012 22:59 Mr. Wiggles wrote: Has anybody claimed the kill on Palmar or Shrubbles yet? This is important to me. If you shot one of Palmar/Shrubbles, and haven't claimed yet, please do so. I won't be mad. I promise. I'm going to wait, and see what kind of answer I get to this. It will influence how I act today. Bluelightz said that positions 24 and 2 are bombed, which means a point in the danger zone already, and the very other end of the queue. So long as we don't pull people we don't want to kill, we should be fine. The bombs are already laid, so killing bluelightz right now won't do anything. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to see if he's telling the truth, and then if he lied about the bombs, kill him the next day. He also shouldn't lay any more bombs. The point of this idea is to use our PoPs on other people, and hopefully get better discussion. risk, can you please answer my question? Your power is still useful if you pop it one minute before the day post, if the queue is revealed again. Do we get to see the queue at the end of the day? Also, sorry for only glancing at who died before posting, lol. Hey Mr. Wiggles why did you want to kill Bluelightz yesterday but not today? risk.nuke said yesterday that he could use this ability again today if he wanted to. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Wait wtf Wiggles is suddenly against lynching Bluelightz? What's with the meek response Wiggles? Why do you not want to see him flip immediately? You claim we should use our PoPs on other people but don't even offer one to begin with. The hell? Bluelightz I really don't see how you could be town. If you actually are town you must be deficient of about 3/4 of the brain cells everyone else possesses, for reasons already mentioned several times (I.e. The position 24 bull) | ||
Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
My 5 scumreads: syllogism, prplhz, cascades, Acrofales, Mattchew + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:35 Acrofales wrote: Good morning. Had a quick glance through the thread and I am quite opposed to Cephiro's plan. I just don't trust the guy. If we believe risk.nuke's claim (and I still do) that means either Cephiro or Syllo is scum. Atm I'm leaning slightly to Syllo, but just plain statistics say we shouldn't bet on Cephiro. Pretty much everybody else has better chances of not being scum, so until Syllo is dead and confirmed red, I am not cooperating with anything Cephiro proposes. Gonna read the rest of the thread now. I understand it's dark (and full of terrors). I can obviously get behind the bluelightz pulling. I have to get to work, but when I get there I'll read the thread more carefully and decide what to do (probably pull bluelightz). God you are flip-flopping fast. Do you want to know why I find this hilarious? Out of everyone in the game, only the ones that are in the 5 people i suspect to be scum have gone out and made a case on me. Are you actually that afraid of me, or are you trying to make me look bad by trying to make me look like I'm just OMGUSing? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:53 Acrofales wrote: Let me phrase that a bit better: we have to take into account the very real possibility that Cephiro is scum. If he's scum and we send him up there he gets: 1. An item 2. To activate whatever dastardly ability he has that requires him to be in the incineration zone (if I let my imagination run wild I can think of quite a few rather nasty ones, such as increase the size of the incineration zone). Because it's dark, we won't even know what he's doing until it's too late. If he's town and we send him up there we get: 1. An item 2. To fulfill his masterplan of which we do not even know the rewards. Cephiro said that it helps town and probably gets Syllo killed. While I like the town rewards and could probably get behind a Syllo kill, the rewards for scum are unknown, but probably better. Given the, lets say 40% chance that Cephiro is scum, the risk is just way too high. As said earlier, my plan is way in favour of town. The worst case scenario for town is that I die before we get to use the item, and my death will confirm syllo as scum, so 1:1 trade. Best case scenario, I survive and deliver you 2 scum kills. Or are you actually proposing that after seeing a nullify ability & darkness ability, that I could be some some sort of godlike superscum and get half the town killed by going into the incineration zone? A sacrifical mechanic would be far more likely than that. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 16:56 Acrofales wrote: So, Cephiro: will your plan have any other benefits than killing Syllo (which we really don't need your masterplan for) and getting you the item (which I don't really want to do at this point)? Read what I said, I did actually bring this up earlier as well but you clearly chose to ignore it. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 19:09 Dirkzor wrote: I think Cephiro's plan suck. Any plan we made yesterday was fucked and it will be the same today. (and the item is not even in the equation as the item suck. Its like a shiny objects that people really can't wait to dig up but it always turn out just be the opener from a soda can.) I would like people to push Syllo. The fact that scum killed Palmar/Sbrubbles (or one of them) and not syllo is disturbing. Palmar had done shit all so killing him over Syllo makes no sense. I'm assuming Sbrubbles was a town hit becase the only reason I see scum killing Sbrubbles is if Syllo is indeed town. Risk's claim was/i believable even when poorly executed by him. Mattchew is just a oneliner machine who follows whatever crazy plan anyone cooks up to appear to be helping town. If you haven't read, you will not need to save me out of the incineration area, which means you will be able to use your pulls to insta-kill someone by pulling them all the way down. Why would you push syllo, when you can push me and achieve the same? Or would you rather see syllo have the item? I can understand if you wanted to pull him, by pushing him especially after I've told my plan is just.... retarded. Also, agreed on Mattchew. For the love of god though, please read syllogism's filter and show me that he's been even trying to scumhunt. He hasn't done anything valuable for the town yet. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 19:32 Acrofales wrote: Okay, I have read through the thread. The day lasts 48 hours. Why all the rush with pulling Bluelightz? I thought we agreed after yesterday to not spend our PoPs so hastily? I think Bluelightz is almost certainly scum, but I am far more interested in getting the whole Syllo/Cephiro/risk.nuke mess sorted out. Can we wait with the bluelightz pulls until we've figured out a plan for that? I'm still waiting for Cephiro to come up with a better explanation of why his plan benefits town (and as I explain below I am now actually very suspicious of him). Instead of his plan, I propose both Cephiro and Syllo get pulled off the bottom just to be sure. A 1:1 trade is generally good for town and the only chance it's not a 1:1 trade is if risk.nuke was lying, in which case he gets lynched tomorrow. I have gone over Syllo and Cephiro's filter with a comb. Lets start with Cephiro: I find his assertions of why his plan is townie increasingly scummy the more I look at them. He has a LOT of filler asserting that he's town and we should listen to him. Do I need to refer to the OP of jubjub mafia about why this is completely pointless posting? You can't prove your town by asserting it and the increased repetition is just making me suspicious: who are you trying to convince with this? You get in a bitch fight with Syllo, which serves NOBODY. We are all almost certain that one, or both of you are scum and you two squabbling over it is completely useless and just clogs up the thread. On to his reason for not revealing any details of the plan: Okay, nobody wants the details of HOW it works, just WHAT it does and why that benefits more than just pushing Syllo (or actually, both of you) off the cliff. Your reluctance to say anything other than "it benefits town and will get Syllo dead" is not making me like your plan at all. Next, I don't understand how he is not afraid of the nullify thingy that got Palmar stuck up there and his explanation of why not seems extremely dubious: Pray tell us your "reasons to believe", oh enlightened one! Is it because it's a scum ability and this is a scumslip? He also seems in an incredible rush to get this to happen before people have time to think it through. In fact, the one redeeming quality is that, if he's scum, I would've expected other mafia to get this bandwagon going, but that's too much wifom for me. On to Syllo: yesterday I thought Sbrubbles was more likely to be scum than Syllo, but things have changed. Taken without what seems to be a serious scumslip by Cephiro, I would almost certainly label Syllo scum now that Sbrubbles flipped town. If we ignore, as he asks us to, his timing on the D1 PoPs, he has contributed a grand total of nothing to this thread. Some speculation on BM's roleclaim is the grand total of his scumhunting. Everything else is filler: he shows presence without actually doing anything useful. He has a somewhat useful dialogue with WBG, but it is only about why he isn't scum, no real contribution at all. Additionally, the same accusation of a giant bitchfight with Cephiro can be leveled at him: useless filler to pad his filter. My opinion: we pull both of them off the cliff to ensure no mistakes. A 1:1 trade is good for town and, given their postings, we might even have two mafia here. First, the point about me somewhat constantly saying I am town. I don't see what's wrong with that. I know I am town and I have no reason to hide it either. Would you rather have me type in conditional every single time? There is no point for me to speculate that I could be scum in every message of mine as I know I am town, and you know it too. So you don't want a roleclaim but you still want to know what my ability does? Well, I'll make it simple for you. It gets scum killed. You also blame me for cluttering the thread up with syllo. Sure, that may be slightly true, but if that's the only way I'm going to convince you guys of getting syllo killed, then so be it. I'm here to kill scum, not to play diplomatics. Also I found it hilarious how you use the same arguments on me as syllogism did. You both keep pointing out how I am not afraid of being nullified, and trying to find out why. Why would you try to find out the reason unless you were scum trying to stop me? You couldn't be much more obvious. Especially since you all use the same poor arguments on me. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:15 syllogism wrote: It doesn't seem possible to even kill ceph today as assuming the nullifying power can be used more than once, scum will just nullify him after we've wasted PoPs on him. Even if they can't do that, he may not be lying about having some sort of power that allows him to switch places in the queue. Look at this gem of a post by syllogism. His only post when he checks the thread is about trying to place suspicion on me. I repeat, he has not and is clearly not going to do anything useful for the town. Is it that hard for you all to see that he hasn't been scumhunting at all? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 20:16 cascades wrote: Cephiro you complain about Syllo speculating about mafia powers that might need pop to activate, then you go ahead and speculate that its unlikely there's no mafia framer? More importantly, you also softclaim that implies syllo is mod confirmed red. You backed out of it after people called you out, since you still need to have powers to get yourself out of incineration somehow. Doesn't excuse the scummy softclaim. I am really curious about the plan now. I want to hear it. You have to justify better before we help you. There's a chance you scum in our eyes. You've heard the plan and all there is to it. Do you have a reason to believe there is a mafia framer then? Also, you claim that I complained about syllo's speculation about scum powers that may need PoP to activate. This is false however, as I was only asking him questions to specify what he means. Why are you trying to make it look bad for me? + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 22:20 prplhz wrote: No one is disputing your claim, no one ever did. If you read the OP you'd see that everybody in this game has a role, it's in game mechanic 10; everybody is going to flip "blue" (or green as people actually just flip). You were told repeatedly not to use an ability because it was scum favored and then you go ahead and do it anyway. If you're town this is by far the worst performance I have ever seen from a townie. I'm getting a feeling that you're actually town, you're just not reading the thread, and relying solely on having an ability to confirm that you're town, but none of this matters. After what you did, town has to kill you. Let me restate the very clear case on Bluelightz:
Prp wants to get bluelightz killed even though he thinks that he may very well be town. I do not see why a townie would want to kill another townie, unless it would confirm a scum. However, if bluelightz flips town, it will not give us much of a clue towards who is scum. I'm also starting to get annoyed by how everyone claims Bluelightz ability to be scum favoured. Sure, under the circumstances it might be (due to the darkness ability being used), but a skilled town in normal circumstances should easily be able to use it in their favour. I am in no way defending bluelightz however. In my opinion his play so far has been quite lackluster, and isn't contributing the town enough. But there are many others that are so obvious scum that I see no reason to kill bluelightz over them. + Show Spoiler + On April 04 2012 23:05 Acrofales wrote: In addition to being like 90% certainly scum, you have a problem reading conditionals? I state both possible cases. You're either scum, or a townie who might as well be scum for all the help you're giving them. Brb, I'm grabbing my pitchfork (although a torch would be more appropriate, given the circumstances). While I'm at it, if you are serious about the positions of your bombs, might I point out that position 24 is a COMPLETELY USELESS place to put a bomb, regardless of alignment? Anybody who is on position 24 at the end of the day gets incinerated. All you achieve is that now they (maybe) get blown up, in addition to getting incinerated. Whoop-de-doop. Didn't you say your ability was intended to cost us LESS PoPs to kill people? Acrofales casting further suspicion on Bluelightz, as if he finds the need to ensure that Blue dies tonight. I would like to point out that anyone that actually concentrates on reading the thread would know that Blue doesn't pick those three positions but are randomly chosen by the mods. Acrofales seems to be content with ignoring this fact and blaming Bluelightz for it. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Thank you Cephiro. | ||
Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 05 2012 01:27 wherebugsgo wrote: I am illiterate and retarded. Thank you Cephiro. You're welcome. | ||
Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
First of all, Bluelightz's role might not necessarily be scum-favored in itself but definitely his use of it (or his choice to use it at all) is incredibly scummy. Why would town choose to use an ability that places bombs at random locations on the map? It could very well cause multiple people to die unexpectedly because they start the day on a trapped position, or are moved into a trapped position by scum. As town you want to facilitate order and hunt scum in an organized way, because this game is about a race against the clock. The mafia need to kill us faster than we can find and kill them. Bluelightz used his role in a way that would hamper our effort and accelerate the effort of mafia, since his role causes disruption and death at random. If I were town and I had his role there would be no way I would ever use it. I don't know if we'll be able to control who dies today, because the bomb could have been placed on a square with a townie (or who knows, TWO townies) who will not get moved. | ||
Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
This would mean that it is pretty much impossible for someone to have started the day at any of those spots, as 24 is in the lethal area, and the last spot of the queue, and 2 is one of the first ones, I am quite confident that no-one would get randomly scattered that far due to the stack mechanic. | ||
wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I'll think about it some more. Others seem to have similar concerns as well. What do you think of Wiggles? | ||
Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
It is also possible that bluelightz is lying, and that the bomb could be at the queue position 13. | ||
wherebugsgo
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wherebugsgo
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Cephiro
Finland1934 Posts
On April 05 2012 01:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Also I find no reason to be overly suspicious about the players who would rather push syllo than you, Cephiro. Unfortunately you both ended at very low positions, so unless you moved it would take a lot of pushes to achieve the goal. It's still quite a risky proposition to just trust you and expect no action from scum even if you turn out to be telling the truth. I'll think about it some more. Others seem to have similar concerns as well. What do you think of Wiggles? Care to clarify the bolded? We're in the dark, are you claiming to have some sort of knowledge about our whereabouts? And if you haven't noticed, the scum is already scared about whether they can stop me or not. And I can assure you, unless they still have some really strong hidden ability that is yet to be revealed, they won't be able to. As said, worst case scenario I die, flip and confirm syllo as scum for you. That's not very bad for a worst case scenario, is it? I'll check through Wiggles's filter again, but I am not particularly concerned that he would be scum right now. | ||
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