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On April 05 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
He could very well be lying about the selection being random too. This could explain why the "safe spots" aren't really safe at all.
This is true, but it is modconfirmed that it is on one of the positions 2, 13 or 24. It is possible that 13 is unsafe, Blue is scum and is claiming it as safe, but at the moment I don't see that likely enough. If that's the case however, we should know by the day's end.
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I meant you and syllo ended up at low positions yesterday, but that shouldn't matter unless the positions are carried over. I can't find that info in the OP.
are positions carried over more or less day to day or are they randomized every day?
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5. At the start of each day, every Toy will begin on the middle most queue of the non-lethal queues. However since only 2 toys can be in one spot I will randomly sprinkle you around the remaining queues to start off.
I think that should answer your question?
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I don't know whether scum are scared by you. How can you tell who the scum are? How do you know the people who are concerned aren't townies?
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I have certain reads that I am absolutely certain of. I am always open to changing my mind however if enough proof is provided.
It's just at the moment the reactions I see regarding my ability are more scared and hasty from the people I suspect to be scum, and more calm and curious-oriented from the players I believe to be town-aligned.
For example, you are one of my strongest townreads, but I still consider it a possibility that you are scum. If that's the case however, then you've managed to mindfuck me well.
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I would say the same about you. Are you going to definitely kill syllo if the plan succeeds?
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If the plan succeeds, syllo is dead for certain.
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Okay, first things first: I am sorry. I completely misunderstood Bluelightz ability. I was making a very angry post at Cephiro for completely misrepresenting me and realized that Bluelightz' confused explanation had confused me, not Cephiro. Thanks for pointing that out, I derped.
What I thought Bluelightz' ability did was to let him choose 3 places, of which 1 was boobytrapped. He was told of 1 of the positions that was safe, leaving 2 possibly boobytrapped. I didn't understand it, but thought it might have something to do with the probabilities shifting if 3 spots are randomly chosen and one is guaranteed not to have a bomb. I was also wrong on that account as the Monty Hall problem is completely irrelevant for this.
I therefore apologize to Bluelightz and people should interpret my post as double facepalming myself.
That said, this only refers to the second part of my last post about Bluelightz' ability. His revealing the positions is still extremely scum-flavoured as in the darkness it is definitely not benefiting anybody in town, but could maybe benefit whoever cast the darkness ability.
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I kind of want to test out Cephiro's ability, but there might just be too much risk especially since we don't know what is going to happen. I'd rather PoP people who we think is scum. Mainly, I am looking at pushing Tobon since with my ability it shouldn't take more than a few pushes to put him towards the fire. And PoP syllogism and maybe pulling bluelightz.
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On April 05 2012 02:06 Nemesis wrote:
I kind of want to test out Cephiro's ability, but there might just be too much risk especially since we don't know what is going to happen. I'd rather PoP people who we think is scum. Mainly, I am looking at pushing Tobon since with my ability it shouldn't take more than a few pushes to put him towards the fire. And PoP syllogism and maybe pulling bluelightz.
Your push would be very much appriciated since it's double as strong, and that leaves only the hidden PoP of the scum as the only chance of ninjaing me without revealing themselves. (Or at least I can't think of any more PoP-related abilities that would be able to get me killed without revealing the user.)
Remember that a push for me is a push for syllo. 
I wouldn't try to push it this hard, but as I already revealed that I have a plan and some details of it, it is unlikely that I get another chance this good to use it. Unfortunately it's on a timer so we're starting to get in a hurry if we decide to go with it.
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On April 05 2012 01:45 Cephiro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
He could very well be lying about the selection being random too. This could explain why the "safe spots" aren't really safe at all. This is true, but it is modconfirmed that it is on one of the positions 2, 13 or 24. It is possible that 13 is unsafe, Blue is scum and is claiming it as safe, but at the moment I don't see that likely enough. If that's the case however, we should know by the day's end.
Explain this please. Is it because we should just blindly trust Bluelightz to tell us truthfully that the traps are placed where they can be of absolutely no use?
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Now for the rest of Cephiro's post, I will respond in more detail in a second, but I need to point out that I am not worried if you're town. In that case I agree that the worst-case scenario is you get nullified up there, virtually guaranteeing Syllo's guilt. However, your complete lack of worry about getting nullified makes me lean towards you being scum. What I am worried about is what can happen if you're scum. I think we saw from DFM1 that this game can have very quick endings if we don't think things through. I put it in terms of risk/reward and you have not answered. Why should we push you up there? All you've given is "Syllo will die", well... we can kill Syllo without your help. What else is in it for us?
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Yo nemesis, why did you hulk smash Tobon so early? Why didn't you wait to discuss it?
At this point I lean scum on Tobon but he's lower on the list of "needs to flip" than, for example, syllo or Bluelightz. Flipping all 3 could be a dangerous proposition. I say we continue pulling Bluelightz and we decide soon whether to push Cephiro or push someone like Tobon.
There's also a strong chance we could push both, but then the question remains of whether to push Cephiro first or kill Tobon first.
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On April 05 2012 02:12 Snarfs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 01:45 Cephiro wrote:On April 05 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
He could very well be lying about the selection being random too. This could explain why the "safe spots" aren't really safe at all. This is true, but it is modconfirmed that it is on one of the positions 2, 13 or 24. It is possible that 13 is unsafe, Blue is scum and is claiming it as safe, but at the moment I don't see that likely enough. If that's the case however, we should know by the day's end. Explain this please. Is it because we should just blindly trust Bluelightz to tell us truthfully that the traps are placed where they can be of absolutely no use?
It's in the daypost iirc
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Actually daypost doesn't contain the positions, so Bluelightz very well could be lying about everything.
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On April 05 2012 02:14 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:12 Snarfs wrote:On April 05 2012 01:45 Cephiro wrote:On April 05 2012 01:43 wherebugsgo wrote:
He could very well be lying about the selection being random too. This could explain why the "safe spots" aren't really safe at all. This is true, but it is modconfirmed that it is on one of the positions 2, 13 or 24. It is possible that 13 is unsafe, Blue is scum and is claiming it as safe, but at the moment I don't see that likely enough. If that's the case however, we should know by the day's end. Explain this please. Is it because we should just blindly trust Bluelightz to tell us truthfully that the traps are placed where they can be of absolutely no use? It's in the daypost iirc
Sigh, can't you just read the daypost yourself rather than make me look it up? 
Additional Announcements
There are 3 booby trapped queue positions. 1 of these is legit. At the end of the day, any Toy standing on the legit position will fall through and die.
It doesn't say the positions.
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On April 05 2012 02:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo nemesis, why did you hulk smash Tobon so early? Why didn't you wait to discuss it?
At this point I lean scum on Tobon but he's lower on the list of "needs to flip" than, for example, syllo or Bluelightz. Flipping all 3 could be a dangerous proposition. I say we continue pulling Bluelightz and we decide soon whether to push Cephiro or push someone like Tobon.
There's also a strong chance we could push both, but then the question remains of whether to push Cephiro first or kill Tobon first.
Because it makes it easier to push him and actually makes him a real lynch candidate as very few people seem to be looking at him. I'm pretty sure he's scum at this point as the only thing that he has really done this game is rolefish.
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Snarfs who would you most like to kill today?
Is there anyone outside of Bluelightz and Cephiro/syllo you find suspicious? Please explain your reads.
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On April 05 2012 02:21 Nemesis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2012 02:13 wherebugsgo wrote:
Yo nemesis, why did you hulk smash Tobon so early? Why didn't you wait to discuss it?
At this point I lean scum on Tobon but he's lower on the list of "needs to flip" than, for example, syllo or Bluelightz. Flipping all 3 could be a dangerous proposition. I say we continue pulling Bluelightz and we decide soon whether to push Cephiro or push someone like Tobon.
There's also a strong chance we could push both, but then the question remains of whether to push Cephiro first or kill Tobon first. Because it makes it easier to push him and actually makes him a real lynch candidate as very few people seem to be looking at him. I'm pretty sure he's scum at this point as the only thing that he has really done this game is rolefish.
You're probably right, and I could be overly worried simply because we haven't properly flipped anyone yet. I'm most concerned with getting that first scum killed because that'll at least give confirmation that we're on the right track. Perhaps I just lack confidence.
I don't want to split the votes too much, but at the same time I want to kill 3 people today (syllo, Tobon, and Bluelightz).
I'm really curious about this Cephiro thing and I'm very close to just pushing him as well.
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