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NationInArms
United States1553 Posts
http://s3.amazonaws.com/www.invisiblechildren.com/critiques.html It's interesting. | ||
gds
Iceland1391 Posts
Charity buisness... | ||
TehPrime
United States180 Posts
Kony 2012: The latest cause célèbre that has most likely taken your Facebook newsfeed by storm. But while few would criticize putting indicted Ugandan war criminal Joseph Kony in prison, the motives of the latest viral video campaign are less clear. FGo to the Invisible Children homepage, and the goal of Kony 2012 seems simple enough: “KONY 2012 is a film and campaign by Invisible Children that aims to make Joseph Kony famous, not to celebrate him, but to raise support for his arrest and set a precedent for international justice.” Scroll down, and a list of movers, shakers and policy-makers ranging from Lady Gaga to Bill Clinton let you know the Hollywood and Washington elite have taken this cause to heart. On the surface, this is a simple black-and-white story: Joseph Kony, via the Uganda-based Lord’s Resistance Army (LRA), has lead a violent campaign to set up a theocratic government at home, forcing enslaved child soldiers to commit unspeakable acts. But dig a bit deeper, and one might want to think twice before donating to the Invisible Children charity. For one, Invisible Children has blurred the line between charity and politics, advocating direct military action. They have also been accused of providing financial support to the Ugandan government’s military and the Sudan People’s Liberation Army, both of which have regularly been charged with human rights abuses. The group denies the claim, saying “none of the money donated through Invisible Children ever goes to the government of Uganda. Yet the only feasible and proper way to stop Kony and protect the civilians he targets is to coordinate efforts with regional governments.” The group has also been accused of being heavy on advocacy and weak on aid. Writing on the social media site tumblr.com, sociology and political science student Grant Oyston said, “As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32 per cent went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal for an issue which arguably needs action and aid, not awareness, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they lack an external audit committee. But it goes way deeper than that.” The real question is, why has Kony 2012 skyrocketed to the top of social media consciousness? Writing for Foreign Policy magazine, Uganda-based journalist Joshua Keating perhaps puts it best. “It would be great to get rid of Kony. He and his forces have left a path of abductions and mass murder in their wake for over 20 years. But let's get two things straight: 1) Joseph Kony is not in Uganda and hasn't been for 6 years; 2) the LRA now numbers at most in the hundreds, and while it is still causing immense suffering, it is unclear how millions of well-meaning but misinformed people are going to help deal with the more complicated reality,” Keating writes. Perhaps more alarmingly, Invisible Children’s viral media smash follows Barack Obama’s decision to deploy 100 troops to Uganda last October with the aim of “removing” Joseph Kony from the picture. In fact, during a period of relative calm that has not been seen in years, Mark Kersten from Justice in Conflict says Uganda’s recently-discovered oil reserves, which “may produce between 2.5 billion to 6 billion barrels of oil…has been directly linked to the country’s security.” While bringing Joseph Kony to justice would be commendable, it seems implausible his capture would do much to bring stability to conflict-ridden East Africa. Just try telling that to the 27 million people who have watched Kony 2012 on YouTube and the millions more who will be posting and tweeting about it in the days to come. http://rt.com/news/koni-viral-video-campaign-133/ | ||
gds
Iceland1391 Posts
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hnQ
113 Posts
On March 07 2012 08:27 HeavOnEarth wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 07:49 1Eris1 wrote: Jospeh Kony is a despicable man who deserves the worse possible punishment, but the true problem is that he's just 1 out of dozens of similar rebel leaders all throughout Africa. Simply taking him out reduces the problem slightly, but honestly doesn't do much. You have to attack it at the source. (Taking our their funding/etc, which is primarly centered around a lot of luxuries we as 1st worlders absolutely covet and spend hundreds-thousands of dollars upon.) yar i found it funny how hes entirely clueless and hopeful for something that will never happen. ie taking down one guy and ending the war. lol his dream is ending the war, a step is taking down Kony, it's not difficult to understand man | ||
gds
Iceland1391 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:54 hnQ wrote: Show nested quote + On March 07 2012 08:27 HeavOnEarth wrote: On March 07 2012 07:49 1Eris1 wrote: Jospeh Kony is a despicable man who deserves the worse possible punishment, but the true problem is that he's just 1 out of dozens of similar rebel leaders all throughout Africa. Simply taking him out reduces the problem slightly, but honestly doesn't do much. You have to attack it at the source. (Taking our their funding/etc, which is primarly centered around a lot of luxuries we as 1st worlders absolutely covet and spend hundreds-thousands of dollars upon.) yar i found it funny how hes entirely clueless and hopeful for something that will never happen. ie taking down one guy and ending the war. lol his dream is ending the war, a step is taking down Kony, it's not difficult to understand man Ending war by sending US troops to kill a single man who's not in uganda anymore, the whole thing based on a 30 minutes documentary showing footages taken in 2003 which encourage donations for a suspisious charity organisation that refuse to be audited. Makes sense... | ||
WilDMousE
Chile1335 Posts
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rayNimagi
United States34 Posts
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durza
United States667 Posts
It is interesting how too people can see the same data and same claims and have different interpretations, I dont make any of the same conclusions he does from the data. In their articel IC seemed to have a very solid response/ reasonable explanations for many of the criticisms they are facing. I can't say I'm sold enough to give them my money but I definitively support their mission and the ideas behind it. | ||
Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhpkYA0wFQbHvPf863 | ||
darthfoley
United States7999 Posts
On March 09 2012 11:48 gds wrote: So all of this story is a huge scam to gather as much money as fast as possible from good and generous people all over the world. This is terrible because now the people are going to be very suspicious about charity organisations even the one that actually do the real job. If you want to help the uganda give your money to reliable organisations that are audited by independants parties not to charity buisness scammers. it's not a scam for christ's sake | ||
TritaN
United States406 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:32 rayNimagi wrote: Hmm, so if Uganda has oil this might just become another Iraq... Honestly, even if this entire thing was a giant conspiracy to get the US into Uganda and surrounding areas for oil, it will STILL be beneficial to the African people. Our presence alone would discourage and probably destabilize any local warlords, as well as keep the Ugandan military and special forces in check. Sure, it would be an economic drain on us just like all of our recent military endeavors, but the area would be safer. That is how bad many parts of Africa actually are. | ||
hnQ
113 Posts
On March 09 2012 12:05 gds wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 11:54 hnQ wrote: On March 07 2012 08:27 HeavOnEarth wrote: On March 07 2012 07:49 1Eris1 wrote: Jospeh Kony is a despicable man who deserves the worse possible punishment, but the true problem is that he's just 1 out of dozens of similar rebel leaders all throughout Africa. Simply taking him out reduces the problem slightly, but honestly doesn't do much. You have to attack it at the source. (Taking our their funding/etc, which is primarly centered around a lot of luxuries we as 1st worlders absolutely covet and spend hundreds-thousands of dollars upon.) yar i found it funny how hes entirely clueless and hopeful for something that will never happen. ie taking down one guy and ending the war. lol his dream is ending the war, a step is taking down Kony, it's not difficult to understand man Ending war by sending US troops to kill a single man who's not in uganda anymore, the whole thing based on a 30 minutes documentary showing footages taken in 2003 which encourage donations for a suspisious charity organisation that refuse to be audited. Makes sense... I only spoke about the idea of the guy, not the video itself (which I believe is innacurate) | ||
JujuXG
United States373 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:08 TritaN wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 12:32 rayNimagi wrote: Hmm, so if Uganda has oil this might just become another Iraq... Honestly, even if this entire thing was a giant conspiracy to get the US into Uganda and surrounding areas for oil, it will STILL be beneficial to the African people. Our presence alone would discourage and probably destabilize any local warlords, as well as keep the Ugandan military and special forces in check. Sure, it would be an economic drain on us just like all of our recent military endeavors, but the area would be safer. That is how bad many parts of Africa actually are. Our forces will not only be ineffective, but they're likely to cause other tensions and have much greater blowback in the future. I honestly don't know why they focused so heavily on Uganda. The situation in Uganda is certainly not good, with the same authoritarian ruler which led to the LRA's rise in the first place, but it's not a war zone - it's a post-war rebuilding zone. Given the letter they wrote, I think the bigger issue IC is trying to address is the fact that the LRA and splinter groups are still active in Central Africa. Not in Uganda anymore, but in Congo and Central African Republic. Small attacks in the Congo are still happening, the largest of which was a village of 300 civilians massacred in 2010. That said, I just don't think the US is equipped to capture or stop it, plus coordinating between three central African countries is a nightmare, and giving more military aid to those countries will have negative consequences in the future. | ||
adolescent
United States18 Posts
i don't think any of us in this thread have any real world expectations on how a charity should be run. remember running a charity and working for a charity are two different beasts. i work as a phd student for 1 million dollar nfs grant. i'd suspect that anyone from the general public that looked at our spending could criticize us in a similar fashion as the person in the video above. this is also the case if you looked any other grant awardee. that said we, and other awardees, are doing our best to make advancements in our field and not wasting our research funds. i think this charity has clear goals on what it wants to accomplish: to create public awareness about kony in hopes that it will lead to us not pulling it's resources. are any of you going to say that they were scamming us last year when they created enough public awarness to force the United States into sending ADVISORS to uganda? note that i'm not using the word soldiers. he's not pushing for us to send our armed forces to eliminate kony. he wants us to keep our advisors there to help the uganda soldiers, and the soldiers of surrounding countries, to eliminate kony by training local soldiers and support via military intelligence. | ||
Heweree
United Kingdom497 Posts
Helping the homeless guy you come across everyday is less epic than join a big movement to save Africa for sure. I hate it so much, this is being done so bad. Good editing, cute kid, atrocities, epic music, sad music and finally some dubstep and you have all the stupid fucks of this planet blindly joining. | ||
Timurid
Guyana (French)656 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:13 TanTzoR wrote: This Kony 2012 is intellectually dishonest. It looks cool to save poor African children by posting a video link doesn't it? Paternalistic shit from kids from developed countries. Helping the homeless guy you come across everyday is less epic than join a big movement to save Africa for sure. I hate it so much, this is being done so bad. Good editing, cute kid, atrocities, epic music, sad music and finally some dubstep and you have all the stupid fucks of this planet blindly joining. Sad world we live in... | ||
MercilessMonkey
Canada150 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:53 Jibba wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 13:08 TritaN wrote: On March 09 2012 12:32 rayNimagi wrote: Hmm, so if Uganda has oil this might just become another Iraq... Honestly, even if this entire thing was a giant conspiracy to get the US into Uganda and surrounding areas for oil, it will STILL be beneficial to the African people. Our presence alone would discourage and probably destabilize any local warlords, as well as keep the Ugandan military and special forces in check. Sure, it would be an economic drain on us just like all of our recent military endeavors, but the area would be safer. That is how bad many parts of Africa actually are. Our forces will not only be ineffective, but they're likely to cause other tensions and have much greater blowback in the future. I honestly don't know why they focused so heavily on Uganda. The situation in Uganda is certainly not good, with the same authoritarian ruler which led to the LRA's rise in the first place, but it's not a war zone - it's a post-war rebuilding zone. Given the letter they wrote, I think the bigger issue IC is trying to address is the fact that the LRA and splinter groups are still active in Central Africa. Not in Uganda anymore, but in Congo and Central African Republic. Small attacks in the Congo are still happening, the largest of which was a village of 300 civilians massacred in 2010. That said, I just don't think the US is equipped to capture or stop it, plus coordinating between three central African countries is a nightmare, and giving more military aid to those countries will have negative consequences in the future. I think your last point is a fairly important thing which no one is really considering. Some people seem to be firmly behind the idea of just helping fund military operations, which has been extremely ineffective in the past. The Taliban a while ago and Liberia more recently are two good examples of what can happen when short-term military funding is given with no long-term effectual presence in the area. Without any support in the region for a long period of time, any arming of military groups would be an extremely risky thing to do. | ||
ControlMonkey
Australia3109 Posts
On March 09 2012 16:55 MercilessMonkey wrote: Show nested quote + On March 09 2012 14:53 Jibba wrote: On March 09 2012 13:08 TritaN wrote: On March 09 2012 12:32 rayNimagi wrote: Hmm, so if Uganda has oil this might just become another Iraq... Honestly, even if this entire thing was a giant conspiracy to get the US into Uganda and surrounding areas for oil, it will STILL be beneficial to the African people. Our presence alone would discourage and probably destabilize any local warlords, as well as keep the Ugandan military and special forces in check. Sure, it would be an economic drain on us just like all of our recent military endeavors, but the area would be safer. That is how bad many parts of Africa actually are. Our forces will not only be ineffective, but they're likely to cause other tensions and have much greater blowback in the future. I honestly don't know why they focused so heavily on Uganda. The situation in Uganda is certainly not good, with the same authoritarian ruler which led to the LRA's rise in the first place, but it's not a war zone - it's a post-war rebuilding zone. Given the letter they wrote, I think the bigger issue IC is trying to address is the fact that the LRA and splinter groups are still active in Central Africa. Not in Uganda anymore, but in Congo and Central African Republic. Small attacks in the Congo are still happening, the largest of which was a village of 300 civilians massacred in 2010. That said, I just don't think the US is equipped to capture or stop it, plus coordinating between three central African countries is a nightmare, and giving more military aid to those countries will have negative consequences in the future. I think your last point is a fairly important thing which no one is really considering. Some people seem to be firmly behind the idea of just helping fund military operations, which has been extremely ineffective in the past. The Taliban a while ago and Liberia more recently are two good examples of what can happen when short-term military funding is given with no long-term effectual presence in the area. Without any support in the region for a long period of time, any arming of military groups would be an extremely risky thing to do. Agreed. I'm all for people caring about stuff. I'm all for using a good piece of film to persuade people using emotive imagery and language. But military action/influence in a foreign country when the problem is essentially internal? Almost always a bad idea. | ||
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