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On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches.
You voted on gumshoe and Alderan too. In fact, there was no need for you to vote either of them, as they would have been lynched with one vote less as well (and you were the last one to vote for Alderan 55 minutes before the deadline with an absolut joke of a reason). But I guess you did not want to risk that a townie would not get lynched, because you are scum
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On March 05 2012 22:05 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches. You voted on gumshoe and Alderan too. In fact, there was no need for you to vote either of them, as they would have been lynched with one vote less as well (and you were the last one to vote for Alderan 55 minutes before the deadline with an absolut joke of a reason). But I guess you did not want to risk that a townie would not get lynched, because you are scum
Can you stop tunneling chocolate for a moment and answer my question?
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Phagga stop dodging my question, even if chocolate is scum there are still 3 more. Do you really have no other scum reads besides him?
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I'm not dodging you. I'm at work and can't post nonstop. I also saw this post after this post.
I'm suspicious of DYH, k2hd, jekyllandhide, nightfury and testsubject. I suppose I got all mafia covered with that list. I will have to read through some of their filters again to be more specific.
And yes, I really want to lynch chocolate now.
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I can't believe you are all willing to ignore the primary suspicion of 2 flipped townies. And ignore both of their town reads on me. And not be suspicious of slOosh who pushed HARD a case that attacked 2 townies. No, he gets away from that mess perfectly clean.... why?
slOosh's immediate response to the 'realization' that he had just spearheaded another townie was to blame it on everyone else. And now even though he just incorrectly pegged Alderan, he is perfectly confident that in spite of his own bad scumhunting and Alderan's defense of me, the other half of his initial case must be right. How is anyone possibly buying this?
Just as a fun exercise, let's look at slOosh's responses to mislynching in his previous games. + Show Spoiler [SNMM7] +On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote:Ok. I'm back and catching up with the thread as I have been busy IRL and will be till tomorrow. Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing. My stance on Mattchew - Show nested quote +the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced. I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case. I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum). Following post will address Mattchew's 4. + Show Spoiler [NMM3] +On January 27 2012 14:12 slOosh wrote: After cooling off, I have to reluctantly agree. I don't think me getting tunnel vision and attacking zarepath is helpful to town when there are still so many lurkers in the game. I'm willing to back off in order to punish inactives/lurkers.
I do agree with MidnightGladius that Bromancipate is a good place to start. In both of these cases slOosh responds to mislynching by slowing down, reevaluating, and trying to get a better grasp on the game. Also, he tends to do this reevaluation by looking at other people's cases and putting his weight behind them. Does that look anything like his response to this mislynch? no.
slOosh's biggest fear this game is that he loses it by tunneling the way he did in his 2 previous games. Does his response reflect that? no. He states that he tried his best to avoid it. Does he slow down? No, he instead throws suspicion on myself, chocolate, nightfury, and testsubject. Does he reevaluate? No, he comes after me with surprising certainty.
Just the way he has handled his case against Alderan and me should be enough to get him lynched. But I know you will require more because you all love to frustrate me. So I will put together a bigger case on him.
zelblade. I pointed out the fake claim because before it was only your word, now it is fact. That is a very important difference. I really dislike how you seem to be taking cues from slOosh who you also seem to have a town read on.
I am confident in my town reads on JekyllAndHyde and NightFury. I lean town with Chocolate as well but that is less certain. I agree with Alderan that k2hd is probably town based off how slOosh used him in his case against us both.
That leaves the 4 mafia in this list. 1. slOosh 2. Ghost 3. zelblade 4. Testsubject 5. Phagga
Pull your heads out of the sand and let's get to work.
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On March 06 2012 03:44 DoYouHas wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I can't believe you are all willing to ignore the primary suspicion of 2 flipped townies. And ignore both of their town reads on me. And not be suspicious of slOosh who pushed HARD a case that attacked 2 townies. No, he gets away from that mess perfectly clean.... why? slOosh's immediate response to the 'realization' that he had just spearheaded another townie was to blame it on everyone else. And now even though he just incorrectly pegged Alderan, he is perfectly confident that in spite of his own bad scumhunting and Alderan's defense of me, the other half of his initial case must be right. How is anyone possibly buying this? Just as a fun exercise, let's look at slOosh's responses to mislynching in his previous games. + Show Spoiler [SNMM7] +On February 23 2012 01:06 slOosh wrote:Ok. I'm back and catching up with the thread as I have been busy IRL and will be till tomorrow. Hopefully it won't stop me from responding and contributing. My stance on Mattchew - Show nested quote +the difference between me and sloosh is when townies don't vote his way he calls them scum, i just call them stupid He is probably correct. I went off the assumption that everyone has the same logic as me and if they didn't do what I would do they would be acting illogical hence mafia. I did not consider that people can be inexperienced. I responded negatively to Mattchew because he didn't say why my case was bad and it looked to me that he was distracting my case. I still don't like the basis of his case, that he did some filter pickings and chose 4 people who avoided each other. However, I cannot argue with results - it has promoted discussion and the suspects are posting more content. Objectively he is producing pro town content, even though it is through antagonistic means. I have to say he is leaning town right now. However, I am still waiting for his own reads. Enough content has been flying around and I want to see him to present a good case. The goal isn't content but using it to strengthen a case and lynch the strongest mafia suspect. I'm also going to have to retract my read on Alderan. That was just OMGUS or paranoia, and I can see where he is getting his case on me (even though I strongly disagree with the logic he uses, but as I stated above I'm realizing that not using my kind of logic does not necessarily equate with scum). Following post will address Mattchew's 4. + Show Spoiler [NMM3] +On January 27 2012 14:12 slOosh wrote: After cooling off, I have to reluctantly agree. I don't think me getting tunnel vision and attacking zarepath is helpful to town when there are still so many lurkers in the game. I'm willing to back off in order to punish inactives/lurkers.
I do agree with MidnightGladius that Bromancipate is a good place to start. In both of these cases slOosh responds to mislynching by slowing down, reevaluating, and trying to get a better grasp on the game. Also, he tends to do this reevaluation by looking at other people's cases and putting his weight behind them. Does that look anything like his response to this mislynch? no. slOosh's biggest fear this game is that he loses it by tunneling the way he did in his 2 previous games. Does his response reflect that? no. He states that he tried his best to avoid it. Does he slow down? No, he instead throws suspicion on myself, chocolate, nightfury, and testsubject. Does he reevaluate? No, he comes after me with surprising certainty. Just the way he has handled his case against Alderan and me should be enough to get him lynched. But I know you will require more because you all love to frustrate me. So I will put together a bigger case on him.
zelblade. I pointed out the fake claim because before it was only your word, now it is fact. That is a very important difference. I really dislike how you seem to be taking cues from slOosh who you also seem to have a town read on. I am confident in my town reads on JekyllAndHyde and NightFury. I lean town with Chocolate as well but that is less certain. I agree with Alderan that k2hd is probably town based off how slOosh used him in his case against us both. That leaves the 4 mafia in this list. 1. slOosh 2. Ghost 3. zelblade 4. Testsubject 5. Phagga Pull your heads out of the sand and let's get to work.
Okay. Let's take a moment to compare lists. Between you and phagga, the two of you have managed to list the entire town. I think it's pretty safe to assume that everyone in the town is not mafia. Now, quit posting useless lists and give me a reason to vote for someone.
Sloosh has been actively working to focus the town and find scum. If you have a problem with his case against Alderan, or anyone else, point it out. Saying "People who find him fishy end up dead" is 100% WIFOM.
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@sloosh Stop tunneling DoYouHas. It's counterproductive. I am 99% sure that one of the two of you is scum, and I haven't decided which one it is yet. Let's reevalute the town and figure out who one of the other three scum is. (protip: think Chocolate)
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Ok Ghost, thanks for making it clear that you are scum too. Your two posts reek of feeling threatened by my post.
"slOosh has been actively working to focus the town and find scum." "I am 99% sure that one of the two of you is scum, and I haven't decided which one it is yet." "@sloosh Stop tunneling DoYouHas."
Oh the contradictions. First you hard defend slOosh, saying that he has been very pro-town (meaning you have a town read on him). Then immediately change that stance by saying that 1 of us MUST be scum and you aren't sure which yet. And you give advice to slOosh to stop tunneling me. You don't give advice to someone you don't have a town read on. Or in your case, someone who isn't your scum buddy. You want to appear on the fence between me and slOosh, but it is abundantly clear where your loyalties lie.
Our medic is gone. We have no guarantees that we have a vet. We are about to walk into LYLO. That means that in order to lynch scum, without scum bussing one of their own, every single townie will have to line up behind a scum candidate. That makes this on the fence stance of Ghost's exceptionally anti-town.
I was already pretty confident that I had all 4 scum in my list. Your posting has just made me more so Ghost.
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@doyouhas I disagree with you, therefore I'm scum. Brilliant logic. Calm down. I'll dignify that with a proper response when I get home.
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Incorrect. Your posting felt threatened and rushed. You displayed a point of view that was both contradictory and hurtful to the town since we are about to be in LYLO. Not, On March 06 2012 05:33 ghost_403 wrote: @doyouhas I disagree with you, therefore I'm scum. Brilliant logic. Calm down. Try again, but you are still scum.
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On March 06 2012 03:44 DoYouHas wrote: slOosh's immediate response to the 'realization' that he had just spearheaded another townie was to blame it on everyone else. And now even though he just incorrectly pegged Alderan, he is perfectly confident that in spite of his own bad scumhunting and Alderan's defense of me, the other half of his initial case must be right. How is anyone possibly buying this?
It's like he don't even read my posts.
On March 05 2012 13:55 slOosh wrote: Since my last post (around 7 hours before deadline), I was busy as aforementioned and unable to read updates. I seriously did my best this game to hold back from tunneling this game, and put out something hoping people would input some objective third party perspectives on my case. What do I come back to? A bunch of people saying how they don't want to lynch Alderan but they somehow feel obligated to. You guys seriously disappoint me.
I was open to voting either one of DYH / Alderan. When I last posted it was 2-2. When I came back I find a 7-2 with 4 votes casted with absolutely no reasoning. He somehow thinks I bear total responsibility for the mislynch and that the four (of whom he is one) are absolved due to my "spearheading" with a total of 3 posts after my case.
I want to lynch DYH for reasons other than those listed in the case: He keeps putting weight on things that actually have no weight. This is the newest addition to my case. He also is showing really poor reasoning and OMGUSing anyone who doesn't like him.
These things happened before and are still continuing - don't think that my initial case is static - its been building with the new influx of information.
On March 06 2012 04:20 ghost_403 wrote: @sloosh Stop tunneling DoYouHas. It's counterproductive. I am 99% sure that one of the two of you is scum, and I haven't decided which one it is yet. Let's reevalute the town and figure out who one of the other three scum is. (protip: think Chocolate)
Give me some time to it look over. All I remember is him telling a vig to shoot me without providing reasoning.
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On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote: Should I vote to lynch you or... I haven't been posting that much because the mafia is basically running the town now. I was thinking of getting myself modkilled to show you all my alignment so you would finally lynch my suspects, but I think it would be cheating because it's against my win condition, although it could help. Tomorrow I may do that if we really need to start lynching mafia.
On March 05 2012 11:04 Chocolate wrote: I have to go to bed and will put my vote on alderan because I don't want a no ylnch. I look forward to lynching hos accusers tomo and ask that the vigi shoot sloosh
On March 05 2012 21:27 Chocolate wrote: We dont need to anymore imo. Sloosh hopefully dies tonight, if he does I think we should lynch testsubject to see if his list is any good. Then we can finish with phagga and zell.
On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches.
I can't even build a logical case off this since it makes no sense. What the heck is his mentality? Assume he is a townie and imagine a townie thinking these things: - "Oh we are almost at MYLO, we should really start lynching those mafia now" - "I voted this guy so we don't get no lynch, but we should look to lynch everyone else who voted him" - "Hey Vig you should shoot this guy. Why? Just trust me" - "Hopefully the vig listened to me. Lets then lynch this other guy to see if his list is any good, and then lynch some of these other guys who don't like me"
Slight exaggerations aside his play is red through and through.
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On March 06 2012 05:06 DoYouHas wrote: Ok Ghost, thanks for making it clear that you are scum too. Your two posts reek of feeling threatened by my post.
"slOosh has been actively working to focus the town and find scum." "I am 99% sure that one of the two of you is scum, and I haven't decided which one it is yet." "@sloosh Stop tunneling DoYouHas."
Oh the contradictions. First you hard defend slOosh, saying that he has been very pro-town (meaning you have a town read on him). Then immediately change that stance by saying that 1 of us MUST be scum and you aren't sure which yet. And you give advice to slOosh to stop tunneling me. You don't give advice to someone you don't have a town read on. Or in your case, someone who isn't your scum buddy. You want to appear on the fence between me and slOosh, but it is abundantly clear where your loyalties lie.
Our medic is gone. We have no guarantees that we have a vet. We are about to walk into LYLO. That means that in order to lynch scum, without scum bussing one of their own, every single townie will have to line up behind a scum candidate. That makes this on the fence stance of Ghost's exceptionally anti-town.
I was already pretty confident that I had all 4 scum in my list. Your posting has just made me more so Ghost.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe that your case against me rests on a single point: "Oh the contradictions." you took the liberty of summarizing the offensive posts, but I would like to take a moment to direct the audience to the specific posts in question. Here they are. (I included a bonus one for free.)
I submit to you, there are no contradictions in my posts from where I stand.
First of all, my comment on your list. Between your list and the list that phagga presented earlier, nine people have been deemed scummy between the two of you. Chocolate is the only one missing between the two lists, and that's because phagga spent the previous post claiming that he was scummy. Congratulations! That portion of your post does nothing but spread confusion in the town. That is inherently scummy, but certainly not enough for me to vote to lynch you. We only have one chance to get this right, and I don't want to do anything to screw this up. (By the way, the only person that the two of you agree upon is NightFury.)
"Hard defense of Sloosh" - yeah, no. Just because I think "Sloosh is working to focus the town and find scum" does not mean that he's a townie. My previous game, Werewolves 2, featured Palmar doing that exact same thing. He actually found out who the detective was first day and decided not to kill him the entire game to build town credit. I don't trust sloosh in the slightest. However, regardless of his alignment, if he's going to find scum, I'm going to let him.
I just showed you my views on Sloosh, so reiterating them here doesn't make much sense. Trying to prove that DYH is scum instead of hunting the low hanging fruit at the moment is not the least bit helpful.
As for my final comment, I stand by it. After tonight, unless we get crazy lucky (I'M NOT BLUE FISHING I SWEAR), we'll be down to 5 townies and 4 scum. What we need most right now is time. By staying calm and not jumping to conclusions, we can make sure we get a scum lynch tomorrow. Instead, you are accusing me of being scum when all I'm trying to do is trying to keep tomorrow from being DYH v Sloosh. I'm trying to buy the town more time. We need more time so we can get a series of successful lynches, and win this game.
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Dyh do you really not find the last 4 votes suspicious? And besides "meta", what has chocolate done to earn a town read?
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Ebwop: On alderan's lynch
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On March 06 2012 07:23 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote: Should I vote to lynch you or... I haven't been posting that much because the mafia is basically running the town now. I was thinking of getting myself modkilled to show you all my alignment so you would finally lynch my suspects, but I think it would be cheating because it's against my win condition, although it could help. Tomorrow I may do that if we really need to start lynching mafia. Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 11:04 Chocolate wrote: I have to go to bed and will put my vote on alderan because I don't want a no ylnch. I look forward to lynching hos accusers tomo and ask that the vigi shoot sloosh Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 21:27 Chocolate wrote: We dont need to anymore imo. Sloosh hopefully dies tonight, if he does I think we should lynch testsubject to see if his list is any good. Then we can finish with phagga and zell. Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches. I can't even build a logical case off this since it makes no sense. What the heck is his mentality? Assume he is a townie and imagine a townie thinking these things: - "Oh we are almost at MYLO, we should really start lynching those mafia now" - "I voted this guy so we don't get no lynch, but we should look to lynch everyone else who voted him" - "Hey Vig you should shoot this guy. Why? Just trust me" - "Hopefully the vig listened to me. Lets then lynch this other guy to see if his list is any good, and then lynch some of these other guys who don't like me" Slight exaggerations aside his play is red through and through. 1. If we hadn't lynched him there wouldn't be nearly enough evidence to convict my main suspicions. 2. Same as the above. To expand upon that, a last minute switch away from him a la me would keep everyone in the dark. 3. If vig doesn't act soon we'll end up lynching him or he'll die from scum. I am suspicious of you for being behind a lot of town lynches, as I am also. You will note that I was against them, however, and voted them out of necessity so we could gain information. If I had my druthers I would not have lynched them. 4. If you flip red I see no reason not to lynch testsubject. I am reevaluating um position on zell but I am convinced that you, phagga, and test are scum.
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On March 06 2012 08:07 Chocolate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:23 slOosh wrote:On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote: Should I vote to lynch you or... I haven't been posting that much because the mafia is basically running the town now. I was thinking of getting myself modkilled to show you all my alignment so you would finally lynch my suspects, but I think it would be cheating because it's against my win condition, although it could help. Tomorrow I may do that if we really need to start lynching mafia. On March 05 2012 11:04 Chocolate wrote: I have to go to bed and will put my vote on alderan because I don't want a no ylnch. I look forward to lynching hos accusers tomo and ask that the vigi shoot sloosh On March 05 2012 21:27 Chocolate wrote: We dont need to anymore imo. Sloosh hopefully dies tonight, if he does I think we should lynch testsubject to see if his list is any good. Then we can finish with phagga and zell. On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches. I can't even build a logical case off this since it makes no sense. What the heck is his mentality? Assume he is a townie and imagine a townie thinking these things: - "Oh we are almost at MYLO, we should really start lynching those mafia now" - "I voted this guy so we don't get no lynch, but we should look to lynch everyone else who voted him" - "Hey Vig you should shoot this guy. Why? Just trust me" - "Hopefully the vig listened to me. Lets then lynch this other guy to see if his list is any good, and then lynch some of these other guys who don't like me" Slight exaggerations aside his play is red through and through. 1. If we hadn't lynched him there wouldn't be nearly enough evidence to convict my main suspicions. 2. Same as the above. To expand upon that, a last minute switch away from him a la me would keep everyone in the dark. 3. If vig doesn't act soon we'll end up lynching him or he'll die from scum. I am suspicious of you for being behind a lot of town lynches, as I am also. You will note that I was against them, however, and voted them out of necessity so we could gain information. If I had my druthers I would not have lynched them. 4. If you flip red I see no reason not to lynch testsubject. I am reevaluating um position on zell but I am convinced that you, phagga, and test are scum.
Lynching people for information and evidence for your cases? Lynching someone you think is town when we are so close to MYLO/LYLO? Directing vig without reasoning or a case? Lynching someone to decide if lynching someone else is a good idea?
I don't think so. There's absolutely no reason why you would think and act like this if you were town.
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On March 05 2012 22:05 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches. You voted on gumshoe and Alderan too. In fact, there was no need for you to vote either of them, as they would have been lynched with one vote less as well (and you were the last one to vote for Alderan 55 minutes before the deadline with an absolut joke of a reason). But I guess you did not want to risk that a townie would not get lynched, because you are scum I just said this but I want to reiterate. I don't want last minute vote switches to deprive town of information. Please don't post accusations against me based on this theory-crafting.
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On March 06 2012 08:19 slOosh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:07 Chocolate wrote:On March 06 2012 07:23 slOosh wrote:On March 05 2012 10:17 Chocolate wrote: Should I vote to lynch you or... I haven't been posting that much because the mafia is basically running the town now. I was thinking of getting myself modkilled to show you all my alignment so you would finally lynch my suspects, but I think it would be cheating because it's against my win condition, although it could help. Tomorrow I may do that if we really need to start lynching mafia. On March 05 2012 11:04 Chocolate wrote: I have to go to bed and will put my vote on alderan because I don't want a no ylnch. I look forward to lynching hos accusers tomo and ask that the vigi shoot sloosh On March 05 2012 21:27 Chocolate wrote: We dont need to anymore imo. Sloosh hopefully dies tonight, if he does I think we should lynch testsubject to see if his list is any good. Then we can finish with phagga and zell. On March 05 2012 21:44 Chocolate wrote: Testsubjects list. Ganging up on me earlier. Being behind all the town lynches. I can't even build a logical case off this since it makes no sense. What the heck is his mentality? Assume he is a townie and imagine a townie thinking these things: - "Oh we are almost at MYLO, we should really start lynching those mafia now" - "I voted this guy so we don't get no lynch, but we should look to lynch everyone else who voted him" - "Hey Vig you should shoot this guy. Why? Just trust me" - "Hopefully the vig listened to me. Lets then lynch this other guy to see if his list is any good, and then lynch some of these other guys who don't like me" Slight exaggerations aside his play is red through and through. 1. If we hadn't lynched him there wouldn't be nearly enough evidence to convict my main suspicions. 2. Same as the above. To expand upon that, a last minute switch away from him a la me would keep everyone in the dark. 3. If vig doesn't act soon we'll end up lynching him or he'll die from scum. I am suspicious of you for being behind a lot of town lynches, as I am also. You will note that I was against them, however, and voted them out of necessity so we could gain information. If I had my druthers I would not have lynched them. 4. If you flip red I see no reason not to lynch testsubject. I am reevaluating um position on zell but I am convinced that you, phagga, and test are scum. Lynching people for information and evidence for your cases? Lynching someone you think is town when we are so close to MYLO/LYLO? Directing vig without reasoning or a case? Lynching someone to decide if lynching someone else is a good idea? I don't think so. There's absolutely no reason why you would think and act like this if you were town. Ok, so we don't lynch Alderan. We don't know about him, we don't know about the people who pushed him for his lynch. We lynched him, we know his alignment (town), and we know that you have been behind (early) two mislynches that town knows of (and three to me). Lynching him was fine as close as we are to mylo because it was the nail in the coffin that will allow us to finally get all the scum. I was directing vig for the reasons Alderan outlined and to get more info. Lynching test doesn't seem to be a bad idea either because you are defending him and his list was just terrible.
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Also guys, don't think me still existing is a coincidence. Now that we are so close to getting the mafia they are reverting to someone they had a strong case against earlier, but couldn't quite get the job done, to distract you all.
Sloosh which 4 people do you most think are scum? I presume DYH and I top the list.
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