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This is one of the more unusual situations I have replaced into. I have just finished catching up but I am stepping out for the evening. I will have a more in-depth post tomorrow morning.
The short version of my thoughts right now is that we should definitely be going after the list of people that got Radfield killed. So that's me, Cwave, Jackal, Bum, Wiggles, and Blazinghand. I agree with the people that just posted that Blazinghand is not looking scummy, and obviously Wiggles doesn't need to be looked at.
Therefore we should focus our efforts on Cwave, Jackal, and Bum. I am confident that at least two of them are scum.
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Vote: Bumatlarge
Same reasons as before until I get to look through stuff.
A couple of asides
1. While I would love a CWave lynch and think the Wiggles shot also points to him being scum, I also think the Wiggles shot was probably them fishing for blues
2. I don't think Refallen is scum, or rather I think his play up until now has been null-tell, it honestly just looks super-noob to me and if he were a noob scum I would expect him to try to be much less obvious, noob-town fits perfectly, I'm not saying he's town but I certainly would not be on board with a lynch based on what we've seen up until now.
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Hopefully this isn't a downward slope. I'll give you a hint, there is a reason everyone has called cwave scummy, and I am tied in votes with him.
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I took a look through everyone's filter looking for one specific thing.
Who, if anyone, didn't touch the lurker issue at all?
Why did I look for this? Cuz a scum player would surely see attacking lurkers as an ultra risky strat, especially day 1.
redff never mentions lurking once. Refallen never mentions lurking once. Jackal58 never mentions lurking once. Zephirdd never mentions lurking once. Cwave never mentions lurking once.
On January 26 2012 14:04 GGQ wrote: About finding mafia, we can't rely so much on finding scum by linking players together. Even if scum gets lynched, we can't be sure whether their defenders were scum or misguided town because scum don't know (at least not 100%) who their partners are.
So the primary way of finding mafia is just by lynching players who aren't contributing to the town but aren't completely lurking. Scum will be the players trying to ride the line between been too scummy and getting lynched or being too towny and getting shot. Town, on the other hand, shouldnt be afraid of shots so they'll be the towniest towns.
GGQ is outright saying that scum arent lurkers.
On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote: All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time. You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me. Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.
How. The. Fuck.... How is MZ hustling?
Lanaia feels that lurking doesnt say a thing about align.
So I count that as a FOS worthy fact especially at GGQ and Lanaia.
Lurking has EXTREMELY clear plus sides for a scum player in this setup and there is HUGE plus sides for a scum player to establish that it is ok to lurk or that saying lurking isnt a good scum strat.
Lurking is probably the only non breadcrumb way (at least day 1) for the scum to say IM SCUM day 1. It prevents them, from killing each other. This point has already been made but it deserves to be in this post next to these players names.
Once again:
redff never mentions lurking once. Refallen never mentions lurking once. Jackal58 never mentions lurking once. Zephirdd never mentions lurking once. Cwave never mentions lurking once. GGQ says that lurkers are not scum because the scum will not want to lurk. Lanaia says that lurking is a null tell on alignment.
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Now for a closer look at one lurker in particular-
GGQ.
You have 15 total posts in this thread. Your first 4 posts have nothing to do with this game.
You have filler posts like this in there:
On January 26 2012 14:05 GGQ wrote: We actually have no confirmation of any medics, and it looks like there's only one KP so there might not be a medic at all.
On January 27 2012 04:34 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote: Let me summarize the plan for you guys.
Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.
Why is it so hard to understand something that simple? <3
On January 27 2012 04:48 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 04:34 Jackal58 wrote:On January 27 2012 04:34 GGQ wrote:On January 27 2012 04:25 Zephirdd wrote: Let me summarize the plan for you guys.
Don't worry about semantics, just try to not create leaders. This way scum won't have a solid target.
Why is it so hard to understand something that simple? <3 And there is another one. Jackal and logic have never gotten along well together.
On January 28 2012 09:11 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 09:03 Blazinghand wrote:On January 28 2012 08:59 Lanaia wrote:On January 28 2012 08:55 Blazinghand wrote:On January 28 2012 08:53 Lanaia wrote:On January 28 2012 08:48 Blazinghand wrote:On January 28 2012 08:46 Lanaia wrote: All you have on Meapak is that he's been lurking. That says shit all for his alignment. I am not moving my vote onto meapak, at least not today. We have about 15min to deadline. It's highly unlikely to get the lynch you want at this point in time. You're tunneling. Why didn't you do this earlier in the day? Your logic doesn't feel completely sound to me. Holy hell you are tunneling so badly. You should have been pushing him all day. I don't like how you're acting and it actually really frightens me.
How. The. Fuck.... How is MZ hustling? Oh yes you're right i should have pushed my massive case on MZ with his 2 posts of filter. OH NO WAIT HE HAS ONLY 2 POSTS OF FILTER. You know I sort of thought my original one-paragraph case was self-evident. I kinda figured other people would be like "hey you know what this guy is lurking pretty hard and trying to lead us by the nose" but it turns out all we are are sheeple in here and we are getting hustled what did you want some freaking phd thesis on the two posts MZ has written? God you're terrible 1. You don't need to be rude. 2. All you have is "oh, he hasn't been active and therefore is scum" which is not something that logically follows. If it applies to him, it has to reply to everyone. 3. You're being unnecessarily aggressive. Calm down. Why didn't you try to push this earlier then? How do you know he's trying to lead us anywhere? Real life stuff can pop up. Just saying the same thing over and over and over isn't going to get people to listen to you. 1) ?? 2) yes it does, and it applies to everyone, and he is the most egregious example 3) I wasn't here in the thread earlier, and i come back and everyone's wagoned onto some BS lynches. We only have 5 minutes left so a voteswitch isnt' happening. I'd like to say more about MZ but it turns out... hey! he's like got no content to analyze. Why are you defending him so much mr scumbuddy Well, I suppose I might as well lock in the lesser of two evils. ##Vote: Radfield Scum doesn't know who other scum is. You just called me scum. Why aren't you voting me? If you keep trying to get people to go on your wagon, and if they do, they'll still be sheeple as you so politely call them. Refallen, you have literally one minute. You know what scum does day 1? They don't know who other scum is so they try to be unhelpful and push crappy lynches and crappy arguments (see: your entire idea on the bum lynch and massive attempts to derail MZ switch) or the lurk (MZ). How ironic
On January 29 2012 06:15 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 05:39 redFF wrote:On January 29 2012 00:59 Cwave wrote: Ahhh man..... Fail that radfield was our Leo.... you cunt Seriously, bud, stop being such an asshole. It's completely unnecessary regardless of your alignment. I might not be back before lynch, so if I die I suspect bumatlarge, Cwave, and blazinghand. After that look at redFF, refallen and lanaia.
Some of those aren't completely unrelated to the game but they are at best comments on things already said that do not help in the least in finding scum.
So 5 throw away filler posts, 4 posts not about the game and 6 real posts.
You are lurking so hard and you have also claimed that the scum won't be lurkers even though it is very VERY clear (and was pointed out a long time ago) why the scum will want to lurk.
Scum.
Found.
##vote GGQ
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The tl'dr of my case on GGQ:
Hey guys, Lurkers aren't scum don't worry look for people that aren't lurking and lynch them.
BRB I need to lurk a shit ton.
He literally said that.
Literally.
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Ok not literally.
G'Night thread see you guys tomorrow.
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SOMEONE VOTE ME PLEASE
I just need one person to, but it is vital.
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Don't like the redffvote or that he asked for it. Bums gotten better today so I am probably going to allow him another day. Waotimg to hear who blazing hand thinks os scum.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On January 29 2012 16:01 redFF wrote: SOMEONE VOTE ME PLEASE
I just need one person to, but it is vital.
On January 29 2012 16:32 Refallen wrote: Well, ##Vote redFF
Found 2 scum
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Also Refallen is scum anyways, so really I mean "found 1 more scum"
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I want red to explain himself. Be back in about 8 or 9hours.
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Wtf ya doing red? Why did you vote him Refallen? I never mentioned aliens either V7.
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I voted him because he obviously had some sort of role related reason why he was asking people to vote. And since scum has no special powers, I figured he was a blue and thus I voted him...?
How is that scummy? The fuck?
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On January 29 2012 22:15 Refallen wrote: I voted him because he obviously had some sort of role related reason why he was asking people to vote. And since scum has no special powers, I figured he was a blue and thus I voted him...?
How is that scummy? The fuck? You know this how???? And I never called nor implied you were scum. I simply asked why. You have my vote.
##VOTE: Refallen
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1. Because scum had no such power in sleeper cell mafia 1 2. Because role-claiming in this form (you do agree that he is roleclaiming?) basically forces you to state your entire role in full and what effect and why you asked for someone to vote you. In other words it opens you up to extreme scrutiny by town. Why would mafia do that?
And I was directing the "how is that scummy?" to blazinghand
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For what it's worth I want to vote for bumatlarge today so once redFF explains fully what has happened I'll be moving my vote.
Going to bed.
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@V7
wtf bro http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=303792¤tpage=16#314
Of course I mention lurkers, what I don't do is to copy-and-paste the thoughts that Lurking is REALLY scummy this game, because it was said two or three times already.
@redFF What the fuck? õ_o Considering Greymist is a host, I'd assume it's a role in the terms of "I can only investigate someone who voted me" from Steamship Liquida, did I hit it spot on? :D
VOTECOUNT
Cwave(2): redFF, bumatlarge
bumatlarge(2): Lanaia, Navillus
GGQ(1): vaderseven
redFF(1): Refallen
Refallen(1): Jackal58
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