• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 16:55
CET 22:55
KST 06:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns5[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1822Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises3Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Weekly Cups (Dec 22-28): Classic & MaxPax win, Percival surprises Chinese SC2 server to reopen; live all-star event in Hangzhou Starcraft 2 Zerg Coach
Tourneys
SC2 AI Tournament 2026 WardiTV Winter Cup OSC Season 13 World Championship uThermal 2v2 Circuit WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ I would like to say something about StarCraft Data analysis on 70 million replays Empty tournaments section on Liquipedia A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10 SLON Grand Finals – Season 2
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Trading/Investing Thread The Big Programming Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced
Blogs
How do archons sleep?
8882
Psychological Factors That D…
TrAiDoS
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
StarCraft improvement
iopq
GOAT of Goats list
BisuDagger
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1635 users

The Most Distant Object Discovered in the Universe

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
1 2 3 Next All
Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 08:52:00
May 06 2009 08:44 GMT
#1
A little more than a week ago scientists discovered a gamma ray burst from outer space lasting 10 seconds with a redshift of 8,2. It is calculated that the source is more than 13 billion lightyears away, probably an explosion of a star.
Because of the finite speed of light, observing a lightsource 13 billion lightyears away also means observing an explosion that happened 13 billion years ago, only about 600 million years after the birth of the universe (according to the big bang theory).

Source:
http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2009/pr-17-09.html

At first i just thought it was cool that we are able to observe this kind of stuff. After a while I gave it some more thought:
How is it that we are able to observe light from an explosion that happened more than 13 billion years ago?
To answer this question, assuming the most popular theories of physics (and my knowledge of it) and the method of measurements are correct, I thought of the following:

During the first couple of million years the universe had to be expanding at a rate tremendously faster than the speed of light. If this wasn’t the case then the light of the explosion would have passed our location in the universe a couple of billion years ago (because of the limited side of the universe at an age of 600 million years) and we never would have been able to see it.
After a while the expansion rate had to slow down, or the light wouldn’t be able to catch up to us, and we again wouldn’t be able to see it.
Recent observations show that the galaxies surrounding us are moving away from us at an increasing rate, indicating that the expansion of the universe is accelerating again?

I don’t know if what I’m saying is correct, cause I don’t have a background in physics. But I think this observation can cause more interesting thoughts and a nice discussion. And maybe a person with a background in physics can shed some light onto this.

Please discuss.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
May 06 2009 09:02 GMT
#2
During the first couple of million years the universe had to be expanding at a rate tremendously faster than the speed of light.
yup, crazy
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 06 2009 09:09 GMT
#3
Science kicks ass.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
May 06 2009 09:10 GMT
#4
What this means to us, is that its completely impossible to reach the expanding end of the universe, because it expands faster than the speed of light, therefore when we got there so much more would be created already
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:15:33
May 06 2009 09:14 GMT
#5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space

We use standard general relativity to illustrate and clarify several common misconceptions about the expansion of the Universe. To show the abundance of these misconceptions we cite numerous misleading, or easily misinterpreted, statements in the literature. In the context of the new standard Lambda-CDM cosmology we point out confusions regarding the particle horizon, the event horizon, the ``observable universe'' and the Hubble sphere (distance at which recession velocity = c). We show that we can observe galaxies that have, and always have had, recession velocities greater than the speed of light. We explain why this does not violate special relativity and we link these concepts to observational tests. Attempts to restrict recession velocities to less than the speed of light require a special relativistic interpretation of cosmological redshifts. We analyze apparent magnitudes of supernovae and observationally rule out the special relativistic Doppler interpretation of cosmological redshifts at a confidence level of 23 sigma.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:19:36
May 06 2009 09:17 GMT
#6
If i'm understanding you correctly this might be related to how the expansion of the universe works. IIRC the universes expansion doesn't work "outwardly" per se. It's not related to outwards motion, but instead the expansion of space itself. As such, the percieved "speed" at which we move away from other objects in the universe is greater the further away from it we are since space "expands" equally everywhere.
I might be terribly wrong about this tho. If i am, someone please correct me : ]
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:26:33
May 06 2009 09:25 GMT
#7
"the birth of the universe" ... humans are so vain. animals are born. existences is and never was not. you want cosmic? learn about 大道
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:30:48
May 06 2009 09:30 GMT
#8
On May 06 2009 18:25 omninmo wrote:
"the birth of the universe" ... humans are so vain. animals are born. existences is and never was not. you want cosmic? learn about 大道

I think he was just referring to the big bang as a birth, which it was in a way. Even if existence has always been, this last 14 billion years was the product of one big bang. Sounds like a birth to me.

Oh, and you're a human too.
EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
May 06 2009 09:30 GMT
#9
[image loading]
I'm like, the coolest
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 06 2009 09:32 GMT
#10
On May 06 2009 18:30 Machine[USA] wrote:
[image loading]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecund_universes
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DarkYoDA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States1347 Posts
May 06 2009 09:41 GMT
#11
On May 06 2009 18:10 D10 wrote:
What this means to us, is that its completely impossible to reach the expanding end of the universe, because it expands faster than the speed of light, therefore when we got there so much more would be created already


That's why scientists are no longer trying to achieve the speed of light per se because travelling anywhere with just the speed of light will still have a journey that outlasts human lifespan.That's why they are now more curious on faster than light theories and time warp/worm hole theories.
It's a comedy to claim thy superiority when it's anothers' inferiority which elevated thy mediocrity
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:59:07
May 06 2009 09:58 GMT
#12
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
May 06 2009 09:59 GMT
#13
On May 06 2009 18:41 DarkYoDA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 18:10 D10 wrote:
What this means to us, is that its completely impossible to reach the expanding end of the universe, because it expands faster than the speed of light, therefore when we got there so much more would be created already


That's why scientists are no longer trying to achieve the speed of light per se because travelling anywhere with just the speed of light will still have a journey that outlasts human lifespan.That's why they are now more curious on faster than light theories and time warp/worm hole theories.


Actually because of timedilatation you can travel a great distance during a human lifetime. If you have a powersource that manages to let you accelerate with 1 g during your whole lifetime, you can travel more than 13 billion lightyears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

The only catch is that during a couple of your years travelling, your friends and family will be dead for thousands and thousands of their years.
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
May 06 2009 10:05 GMT
#14
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.
nospeech
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
May 06 2009 10:07 GMT
#15
On May 06 2009 19:05 yejin wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.

I second this.
Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
May 06 2009 10:22 GMT
#16
On May 06 2009 19:07 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 19:05 yejin wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.

I second this.


I've read "stars and falling apples" by ulf danielsson. I think it was really good and easy accessible by people without a background in physics. It covers the different theories (including relativity, and string) and other things about the universe and explains them with good and understandable examples.
Also i liked "a brief history of time", by stephen hawking
MC9876
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands82 Posts
May 06 2009 10:32 GMT
#17
On May 06 2009 19:07 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 19:05 yejin wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.

I second this.





and be amazed.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 06 2009 15:22 GMT
#18
On May 06 2009 18:30 Machine[USA] wrote:
[image loading]


An infinitely dense singularity counts as "nothing"?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
May 06 2009 15:35 GMT
#19
'A shorter history of time' by Steven Hawking is a great read
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 16:18:05
May 06 2009 16:17 GMT
#20
On May 07 2009 00:22 Mindcrime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 18:30 Machine[USA] wrote:
[image loading]


An infinitely dense singularity counts as "nothing"?

Define "infinitely dense singularity."
1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 238
JuggernautJason212
Railgan 82
Nathanias 67
UpATreeSC 9
CosmosSc2 7
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 309
910 27
Dota 2
monkeys_forever166
League of Legends
JimRising 681
C9.Mang0204
Counter-Strike
fl0m1444
Foxcn192
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu483
Other Games
Grubby4749
Liquid`RaSZi2960
FrodaN1497
Beastyqt900
tarik_tv653
shahzam456
Pyrionflax403
B2W.Neo249
Livibee75
QueenE61
minikerr30
ViBE12
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick40869
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 26
• Reevou 12
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 53
• 80smullet 24
• FirePhoenix8
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Noizen35
Other Games
• imaqtpie2713
• Shiphtur435
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
3h 5m
SOOP
6h 5m
OSC
14h 5m
OSC
1d 16h
SOOP
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
IPSL
4 days
DragOn vs Sziky
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
[ Show More ]
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-05
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
OSC Championship Season 13
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Thunderfire SC2 All-star 2025
Big Gabe Cup #3
Nations Cup 2026
Underdog Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.