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The Most Distant Object Discovered in the Universe

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Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 08:52:00
May 06 2009 08:44 GMT
#1
A little more than a week ago scientists discovered a gamma ray burst from outer space lasting 10 seconds with a redshift of 8,2. It is calculated that the source is more than 13 billion lightyears away, probably an explosion of a star.
Because of the finite speed of light, observing a lightsource 13 billion lightyears away also means observing an explosion that happened 13 billion years ago, only about 600 million years after the birth of the universe (according to the big bang theory).

Source:
http://www.eso.org/public/outreach/press-rel/pr-2009/pr-17-09.html

At first i just thought it was cool that we are able to observe this kind of stuff. After a while I gave it some more thought:
How is it that we are able to observe light from an explosion that happened more than 13 billion years ago?
To answer this question, assuming the most popular theories of physics (and my knowledge of it) and the method of measurements are correct, I thought of the following:

During the first couple of million years the universe had to be expanding at a rate tremendously faster than the speed of light. If this wasn’t the case then the light of the explosion would have passed our location in the universe a couple of billion years ago (because of the limited side of the universe at an age of 600 million years) and we never would have been able to see it.
After a while the expansion rate had to slow down, or the light wouldn’t be able to catch up to us, and we again wouldn’t be able to see it.
Recent observations show that the galaxies surrounding us are moving away from us at an increasing rate, indicating that the expansion of the universe is accelerating again?

I don’t know if what I’m saying is correct, cause I don’t have a background in physics. But I think this observation can cause more interesting thoughts and a nice discussion. And maybe a person with a background in physics can shed some light onto this.

Please discuss.
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
May 06 2009 09:02 GMT
#2
During the first couple of million years the universe had to be expanding at a rate tremendously faster than the speed of light.
yup, crazy
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 06 2009 09:09 GMT
#3
Science kicks ass.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
D10
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Brazil3409 Posts
May 06 2009 09:10 GMT
#4
What this means to us, is that its completely impossible to reach the expanding end of the universe, because it expands faster than the speed of light, therefore when we got there so much more would be created already
" We are not humans having spiritual experiences. - We are spirits having human experiences." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:15:33
May 06 2009 09:14 GMT
#5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space

We use standard general relativity to illustrate and clarify several common misconceptions about the expansion of the Universe. To show the abundance of these misconceptions we cite numerous misleading, or easily misinterpreted, statements in the literature. In the context of the new standard Lambda-CDM cosmology we point out confusions regarding the particle horizon, the event horizon, the ``observable universe'' and the Hubble sphere (distance at which recession velocity = c). We show that we can observe galaxies that have, and always have had, recession velocities greater than the speed of light. We explain why this does not violate special relativity and we link these concepts to observational tests. Attempts to restrict recession velocities to less than the speed of light require a special relativistic interpretation of cosmological redshifts. We analyze apparent magnitudes of supernovae and observationally rule out the special relativistic Doppler interpretation of cosmological redshifts at a confidence level of 23 sigma.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0310808
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Xiberia
Profile Joined September 2007
Sweden634 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:19:36
May 06 2009 09:17 GMT
#6
If i'm understanding you correctly this might be related to how the expansion of the universe works. IIRC the universes expansion doesn't work "outwardly" per se. It's not related to outwards motion, but instead the expansion of space itself. As such, the percieved "speed" at which we move away from other objects in the universe is greater the further away from it we are since space "expands" equally everywhere.
I might be terribly wrong about this tho. If i am, someone please correct me : ]
omninmo
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2349 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:26:33
May 06 2009 09:25 GMT
#7
"the birth of the universe" ... humans are so vain. animals are born. existences is and never was not. you want cosmic? learn about 大道
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:30:48
May 06 2009 09:30 GMT
#8
On May 06 2009 18:25 omninmo wrote:
"the birth of the universe" ... humans are so vain. animals are born. existences is and never was not. you want cosmic? learn about 大道

I think he was just referring to the big bang as a birth, which it was in a way. Even if existence has always been, this last 14 billion years was the product of one big bang. Sounds like a birth to me.

Oh, and you're a human too.
EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
May 06 2009 09:30 GMT
#9
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I'm like, the coolest
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 06 2009 09:32 GMT
#10
On May 06 2009 18:30 Machine[USA] wrote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fecund_universes
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DarkYoDA
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
United States1347 Posts
May 06 2009 09:41 GMT
#11
On May 06 2009 18:10 D10 wrote:
What this means to us, is that its completely impossible to reach the expanding end of the universe, because it expands faster than the speed of light, therefore when we got there so much more would be created already


That's why scientists are no longer trying to achieve the speed of light per se because travelling anywhere with just the speed of light will still have a journey that outlasts human lifespan.That's why they are now more curious on faster than light theories and time warp/worm hole theories.
It's a comedy to claim thy superiority when it's anothers' inferiority which elevated thy mediocrity
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 09:59:07
May 06 2009 09:58 GMT
#12
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Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
May 06 2009 09:59 GMT
#13
On May 06 2009 18:41 DarkYoDA wrote:
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On May 06 2009 18:10 D10 wrote:
What this means to us, is that its completely impossible to reach the expanding end of the universe, because it expands faster than the speed of light, therefore when we got there so much more would be created already


That's why scientists are no longer trying to achieve the speed of light per se because travelling anywhere with just the speed of light will still have a journey that outlasts human lifespan.That's why they are now more curious on faster than light theories and time warp/worm hole theories.


Actually because of timedilatation you can travel a great distance during a human lifetime. If you have a powersource that manages to let you accelerate with 1 g during your whole lifetime, you can travel more than 13 billion lightyears.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation

The only catch is that during a couple of your years travelling, your friends and family will be dead for thousands and thousands of their years.
yejin
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
France493 Posts
May 06 2009 10:05 GMT
#14
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.
nospeech
Lemonwalrus
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States5465 Posts
May 06 2009 10:07 GMT
#15
On May 06 2009 19:05 yejin wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.

I second this.
Thats_The_Spirit
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Netherlands138 Posts
May 06 2009 10:22 GMT
#16
On May 06 2009 19:07 Lemonwalrus wrote:
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On May 06 2009 19:05 yejin wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.

I second this.


I've read "stars and falling apples" by ulf danielsson. I think it was really good and easy accessible by people without a background in physics. It covers the different theories (including relativity, and string) and other things about the universe and explains them with good and understandable examples.
Also i liked "a brief history of time", by stephen hawking
MC9876
Profile Joined March 2009
Netherlands82 Posts
May 06 2009 10:32 GMT
#17
On May 06 2009 19:07 Lemonwalrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2009 19:05 yejin wrote:
Could anyone recommend me some good books about these theories (string theories, multiple universes), serious and "easy" enough for a beginner ? I'd really like to learn more about that eventho my physic background is rather weak.

I second this.





and be amazed.
Mindcrime
Profile Joined July 2004
United States6899 Posts
May 06 2009 15:22 GMT
#18
On May 06 2009 18:30 Machine[USA] wrote:
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An infinitely dense singularity counts as "nothing"?
That wasn't any act of God. That was an act of pure human fuckery.
minus_human
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
4784 Posts
May 06 2009 15:35 GMT
#19
'A shorter history of time' by Steven Hawking is a great read
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-06 16:18:05
May 06 2009 16:17 GMT
#20
On May 07 2009 00:22 Mindcrime wrote:
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On May 06 2009 18:30 Machine[USA] wrote:
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An infinitely dense singularity counts as "nothing"?

Define "infinitely dense singularity."
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