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You came in here at your own risk. Don't bitch if you got "zomg wtf dude, you spoiled!!1~~"
Also, if this is in the wrong area or unacceptable close this thread and slap my knuckles. Usually I'm too timid to make threads but my god...
BaBy blew my damn mind. I've never really had much respect for terran players since the BoxeR and Oov-era ended. The games BaBy played against JangBi in GOM were astounding.
At this Point I make a synopsis of the games and Point out parts I'm a fan of. Spoiled because it's a tad long.
I absolutely loved this style of play. He just used all these vultures and dropships coupled with the occasional tank to rape probes and goons. After P gets his bearings and attacks, Baby is low on vultures. Does it matter? No. He sieges 2 tanks in the back and as soon as the unsieged tanks clear up the zealots, he presses "O" then watch the goons splat. Really fun to watch how he handles a low/no vulture game.
+ Show Spoiler +Game 1: The way he used and abused his shuttles, splitting up the drops, coming in at different areas constantly while just moving up to 4 base was sick sick sick. I got chills when BaBy dropped 2 vultures while moving to the back of JangBi's nat, laid mines, dropped the tank behind the ridge, then lifted his 2 vultures over the ridge just as the cannon died. I haven't been that impressed by a play in who knows how long.
That recall though... man that was BRILLIANT!! He very well could've gotten recall before stasis knowing that was all he needed to take the game.
Game 2: Similar story, different twist. BaBy goes for his shuttle-play and expand vs JangBi's 12 nex. Does decent damage, but further drops get more or less shut down while Only taking out several goons. At this Point I feel BaBy is behind in the game and am thinking, "This is so over for BaBy. Game 1 must've been a fluke.".
Enter JangBi's 2 Shuttle bull-dog at BaBy's nat. BaBy has a bunker just in time, sieges the right amount of tanks at the right time, and defends more or less without damage taken. From here he just blitzes right to JangBi's nat, locks himself in there with supplies and turrets and after amazing defense to JangBi's last-stand counter aTtacK, the game is over.
Game 3: To be honest, seeing as how A Garden of GOD has the cliffable ridges I thought BaBy was going to abuse that to hell with dropships. Yes, he did get some good drops in but instead of playing his super-aggressive/harass Style we saw earlier, it was simple harass with slow vultures while taking a Hidden expansion.
This expansion coupled with some decent harass gets BaBy all the way into JangBi's base and killing expansions. From here he simply drops some units at "Hidden" JangBi expansions placed in an attempt to Stay in the game. Brilliance.
This is most refreshing for a PvT game. I've always wanted JangBi to win in the games I watch, but BaBy... BaBy deserved this, hands down.
Edit: Also, my reasoning for the title is when I see "[Spoiler] Bisu vs *some scrub* OMG" or something along the lines, I can feel fairly certain that bisu lost the series, or at least dropped a bad game.
Apologies to anybody that I have spoiled (<3 pachi? D=) And if anyone in red wishes to change the title to "[SPOILER] GOM - JangBi vs BaBy" as suggested by pachi in a PM, or anything else, feel free =)
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Gee gee gee gee baby baby.
EDIT: Looking at the brackets, he has what it takes to get to at least the Ro16 IMO.
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Uhm I don't quite get the OP, it's a BaBy appreciation thread right?
Those games were really sick and great, it's like NaDa reborn, tornado Terran v2 featuring dropship play.
Anyway I'd like to ask a question about the strategy in that game but I have a good feeling that it will derail this thread and it's better if I post it in the strategy section.
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I think you missed a really nice trick from baby in game 2. The first head on attack from jangbi into babys nat. It was triggered by 2 dropships from baby heading over to jangbis min only nat. baby didn't put units into them to purposedly lure jangbi into this attack. Additionaly baby retreated all but 3 of his tanks back into his main to make it look like only a few tanks were in his nat to defend. Brilliant play
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Well, that's what you get from having NaDa and Mind as mentors. BaBys TvP is great, counting in the facts that he beat a StarLeague Finalist, and the one with the best PvT, JangBi. His TvT is yet to be tested but having NaDa and Mind (who produced one of the best TvT in history) as practice partner he'll clean that MU fast.
I hope he makes it to the finals at the most, quarter finals at the least.
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Baby's fake drop on Medusa that baited Jangbi was a pimpest play. Splitting units away from the nat to make it appear to be lightly defend and coming in to destroy the attack won the game.
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Yay, vaguely successful thread acquired!
And Skylark. Doesn't necessarily have to be just a Baby appreciation thread. Just discussion on his games vs Jangbi and what to expect from him in the future  Just felt I wasn't the only one shocked by his results ^^. When I get excited I like to talk about things =x
I did see the nice trick from baby in game 2. There were a LOT of cute things he did in that game. IE: Pulling a Brat_OK with the wraith, unfortunately all it did was scout =p
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ya my liquibet got fucked up because of recent games..lol
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another thing on Medusa was clearing the temples and diverting Jangbi's forces to the high ground and then moving in to siege the nat while Jangbi's forces were all out of position. BaBy definitely played brilliantly in that series.
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Before this I had thought that Baby was just some dumb mechanical player. But his play, especially in game 3, showed a lot of spark in it. Very impressive, pairing a hidden expansion with a heavy harass focus to divert Jangbi's attention.
Jangbi played like he thought Baby would be a joke though and it definitely cost him. He did the same thing back in the MSL and nearly lost to nada after a joke of a game 1. Pretty characteristic of him but mad props to Baby especially on that mapset.
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On April 21 2009 22:08 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:
Well, that's what you get from having NaDa and Mind as mentors.
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Jangbi surely brings the best out of terrans.NaDa played the best games I've seen vs him in a long time and baby did the same as well.
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On April 21 2009 22:22 404.Delirium wrote:And Skylark. Doesn't necessarily have to be just a Baby appreciation thread. Just discussion on his games vs Jangbi and what to expect from him in the future Just felt I wasn't the only one shocked by his results ^^. When I get excited I like to talk about things =x
Oh hahaha, I'm slow today. Yeah there were people who woke up late and were like "wft are the results real". I went for the all P liquibet but I should have known better. Great series from BaBy, I hope it was a Bo5 because it was super amazing.
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On April 21 2009 23:15 Infinity.SkyLark wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2009 22:22 404.Delirium wrote:And Skylark. Doesn't necessarily have to be just a Baby appreciation thread. Just discussion on his games vs Jangbi and what to expect from him in the future Just felt I wasn't the only one shocked by his results ^^. When I get excited I like to talk about things =x Oh hahaha, I'm slow today. Yeah there were people who woke up late and were like "wft are the results real". I went for the all P liquibet but I should have known better. Great series from BaBy, I hope it was a Bo5 because it was super amazing.
No worries, man.
And yes, both + Show Spoiler + and jangbi dropping out in the Ro64(?) is totally raping my liquibet.
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Your title alone gives away the result. I would title it "GOM SPOILERS" or something else. Leave the big names out of it.
I'm sure, some Jangbi/Samsung fanboys will be upset by this.
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On April 21 2009 23:28 Showtime! wrote:
Your title alone gives away the result. I would title it "GOM SPOILERS" or something else. Leave the big names out of it.
I'm sure, some Jangbi/Samsung fanboys will be upset by this.
Sorry! I'd just woken up and during the writing of OP I thought I was being clever with a non-spoiling title. I edited in an apology and request for title change in the OP.
Deepest apologies, young sirs =(
EDIT: Also, it doesn't help that on the side bar it cuts out and just reads "Jangbi..." rofl. How unfortunate T_T
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i just watched the games
holy shit baby multitasks likes a beast yet has really good decision making.
That dropship fake at game 2 definete pimpest play move.
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I just watched this series, and I have a really different take than you, Delirium: JangBi played like garbage. BaBy's drops rarely inflicted enough damage to pay for themselves - especially in game 2 he lost many dropships and vultures without killing a significant amount of probes. As for game 3, he dropped JangBi's main several (3?) times and maybe killed 10 probes. Also, JB's main was already pretty desaturated by the time of the first drop, because his minerals were low there.
As for the "simple harass with slow vultures" you mentioned....I have no idea what you are talking about. Surely you're not referring to the 3 seconds BaBy's first dropship worth of vultures spent in JB's main before the speed upgrade finished (that drop killed maybe 2 or 3 probes btw)?
I did not see dropship play as a deciding factor in this series. BaBy did have nice timings and made some great strategic decisions (wraith in game 3, bunkering JB's backdoor exit in game 2) but I think this series came down to many uncharacteristic mistakes from JangBi.
Game 2 was decided by JB's failed attack on BaBy's nat - this attack seriously delayed JB's natural expansion and inflicted almost no damage. JB also lost many goons in the process, which, combined with his unusual refusal to clear mines with obs, made it impossible for him to break BaBy's push on his nat.
In Game 3, JangBi really did an awful job at deflecting BaBy's push. He left his dragoons to melt to tank fire rather than pulling back when he'd lost all of his zealots (not enough to begin with, a bad unit mix was another problem), did a poor job with placement of storms (used them all at once, over one area right outside BaBy's nat), and even lost what was presumably a shuttle full of zealots without dropping a single bomb.
In general JB's play in this series was frantic and impatient. The bulldog in game 2 was bad, but his 2-shuttle play in game 3 was worse and set him way behind - BaBy's backdoor expo was really well defended, but JB decided to try to shove that attack down his throat anyway. The result was he lost 3 dragoons, 1 shuttle, and a reaver while killing one tank and a few SCVs. Frankly, JangBi looked like he didn't prepare at all for this match, and further that he didn't much care about its outcome. He didn't play like his usual self, right down to bullshit like losing his scouting probe to an SCV in game 3 (I mean...come on).
I guess I have one more thing to say about this series, but this post is already looking tl;dr so I'll put it in a spoiler:
+ Show Spoiler [commentating] +I appreciate Tasteless and Daniel Lee for all the work they've done to make Korean SC more accessible to the foreign audience, but man was the commentary on this series awful. We had garbage like Daniel being legitimately confused as to why BaBy's vultures were moving slowly for a few seconds in game 3 (hello, speed upgrade necessary) and at some points I was tempted to scream at my monitor for either caster to acknowledge NaDa/Mind's potential influence on BaBy.
It seemed neither caster could decide whether BaBy was an idiot or total genius for trying so much dropship play...in general, but especially in game 2, it seemed like Nick/Daniel were either saying "JB is so far ahead right now" or "BaBy is so far ahead right now" without much rhyme or reason.
Most of the commentary was really low level in terms of strategy (that's fine, casters can be fun to listen to just for their passion for the game) but sometimes the casters totally missed clever things the players were doing - for example, in game 3 JangBi rerouted several probes away from the top mineral patches in his main so that he could safely blow up a mine with his zealot. Instead of remarking what a clever micro play that was, Tasteless and Daniel acted shocked he didn't lose any probes and spent a while talking about how risky mines near the mineral line are.
And honestly, anyone who complained about SC2GG's commentators for their overuse of "Bisu Build" should check up on Tasteless and his use of "bulldog" - I swear, it's rare to see him cast a PvT without mentioning this build. He's right using it some of the time but usually...he's just talking about some attack which uses a combination of dragoons and shuttle(s).
That's enough ranting for me. I should say that, though I don't usually enjoy GOM's English commentary, I think it appeals to a really wide audience and has been huge for the popularity of BW (watching and playing alike). Most of my complaints are probably just a product of the fact that Tasteless/DLee's commentary isn't really geared towards hardcore fans (I kind of wish it was, though!). I think Tasteless and Daniel are capable of better, higher-level commentary but just didn't see it in this series.
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On April 21 2009 23:52 JWD wrote:+ Show Spoiler [commentating] +I appreciate Tasteless and Daniel Lee for all the work they've done to make Korean SC more accessible to the foreign audience, but man was the commentary on this series awful. We had garbage like Daniel being legitimately confused as to why BaBy's vultures were moving slowly for a few seconds in game 3 (hello, speed upgrade necessary) and at some points I was tempted to scream at my monitor for either caster to acknowledge NaDa/Mind's potential influence on BaBy.
It seemed neither caster could decide whether BaBy was an idiot or total genius for trying so much dropship play...in general, but especially in game 2, it seemed like Nick/Daniel were either saying "JB is so far ahead right now" or "BaBy is so far ahead right now" without much rhyme or reason.
Most of the commentary was really low level in terms of strategy (that's fine, casters can be fun to listen to just for their passion for the game) but sometimes the casters totally missed clever things the players were doing - for example, in game 3 JangBi rerouted several probes away from the top mineral patches in his main so that he could safely blow up a mine with his zealot. Instead of remarking what a clever micro play that was, Tasteless and Daniel acted shocked he didn't lose any probes and spent a while talking about how risky mines near the mineral line are.
And honestly, anyone who complained about SC2GG's commentators for their overuse of "Bisu Build" should check up on Tasteless and his use of "bulldog" - I swear, it's rare to see him cast a PvT without mentioning this build. He's right using it some of the time but usually...he's just talking about some attack which uses a combination of dragoons and shuttle(s).
That's enough ranting for me. I should say that, though I don't usually enjoy GOM's English commentary, I think it appeals to a really wide audience and has been huge for the popularity of BW (watching and playing alike). Most of my complaints are probably just a product of the fact that Tasteless/DLee's commentary isn't really geared towards hardcore fans (I kind of wish it was, though!). I think Tasteless and Daniel are capable of better, higher-level commentary but just didn't see it in this series.
could not possibly agree more.
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I was referring to baby's first drop on A Garden of GOD where it was just 3 slow vultures because he made cuts to get the sneak expo 
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