TL Mafia 4

On February 28 2009 20:50 LTT wrote:
Based on the ruleset, here are some optimal plays that I've come up with.

Private Eyes: (PE)
1.) Don't use your rolecheck ability. Vote checks are far stronger and get more powerful as the game goes on. Rolechecks become far less useful. Attempting to use both isn't worth the risk as the only time you should use the rolecheck-guess is if you know the person's role 100%. If you already know, why use the rolecheck at all? (This system is just silly, Chuiu... )

2.) Announce in the thread before you use your Vote Check. The worst thing that can happen is that we have multiple Private Eyes check the same vote. Once you use your ability, you are basically a green so it doesn't matter if you reveal your role. Related, check the thread before you make your vote check to ensure you aren't duplicating a check.

3.) Immediately post the Vote Check results to the thread. As mentioned in 2, once used you are green. Your death would only help the town at that point as it means that a paramedic or detective is not dying!

Sidenotes: Following the above means that mafia can pretend to be PEs and "claim" a vote, keeping our PEs from checking and then spreading false information. This is possible, but a dumb trade as the information can be ignored once the false calimer is revealed and it leads to more scrutiny of the claimer.

Detectives: (DE)
1.) Use your abilities every day. Duh.

2.) Pay special attention to anyone who claims to be a PE.

Paramedics:
1.) After you stop a hit, always let your target know about it via PM. They are 100% confirmed townies as there are no vigilantes in this game and Mafia cannot send a hit against themselves.

Veteran:
1.) The only time you should use your extra vote is if the voting is close. Nght lives are far more important to you.

General:
If you are protected from a hit, DO NOT reveal your role to a medic who PMs you until some time has elapsed. As L showed in game 2, fake roleclaiming as a medic is a powerful tool as the Mafia know who they tried to hit and survived. The chances of them risking it are low as there are veterans in this game, but give it enough time for the "real" medic to pm you.

****EVERYONE VOTE**** PEs cannot check non-voters or abstains (Correct me if I am wrong here Chuiu) so if there are lots of inactive townie voters, then the mafia can simply not vote. If all the townies vote, the mafia is forced to as well lest they be picked apart by vote checks.

Edit: Clarity.

On February 28 2009 21:44 LTT wrote:


I thought about that but it really isn't worth it. We have very limited killing power this game as there are no vigilantes. We can lynch them if we have no other targets, but we are almost always going to have a better target. They are giving us a massive amount of information when they give a vote check. If they lie, they've handed themselves to us. As soon as the information contradicts what they've given us, it's a free kill. This will get more powerful as the game goes on, especially if that mafia had difficult clues.

We just need to tie each Vote check to the name of the person who gives it and constantly monitor how reliable the information is. Don't reveal your role based on this information until the vote check information is confirmed. (IE if someone claims that 0 mafia voted for a person, don't send your role to all of those voters until the claimer is confirmed to be clean)

One thing we cannot do is try to chain PEs via rolechecks after the first vote check. I tried working something out using this before my first post but it fails horribly to Mafia fake roleclaims. If Mafia fakes the first vote check, we lose every single vote check to failed guessed rolechecks!
DO NOT ROLECHECK.

On February 28 2009 23:12 Scaramanga wrote:
Also dont forget that mafia does have overkill at night three and we dont know how many mafia there are,
Imo the plan would work if we had every single vet role claim, first night we use sanctuary on the vets, second night use overtime so vets get double life, then after that medics protect a different vet each night, so @BWdero yeah they can take one vet, but they cant take three

edit: spelling

On February 28 2009 23:49 LTT wrote:
How about this:

1.) One vet roleclaims and uses their ability.
2.) Once confirmed via Chuiu's vote count, everyone PMs him their roles.
3.) Other Vets can confirm to him that they are vets by using their voting power. We now have all veterans confirmed but only 1 public.
4.) They coordinate medic protection.
5.) If the original vet dies, the other vets can use a mouthpiece. One vet should use a person who PMed the role of townie to speak in the thread. Do not reveal anything to that townie. If the Vet dies, the other vets immediately know that the townie was mafia.

Edit: Clarity

On March 01 2009 00:11 LTT wrote:


If multiple mouthpieces pop up, we can just have each confirm to the mouthpiece via pm. Whichever one can't is outed by the duped townie and we have a free mafia.

Edit: It would actually be better to do it publically. Just have each Vet use their power to vote for their mouthpiece. The nonconfirmed vet is then outed by the duped mouthpiece.

If we do it in private, it doesn't solve the case of Mafia Vet with Mafia Mouthpiece.

On March 01 2009 00:29 Dyno. wrote:

I was with you until this. Is it really legal for town members to claim in private to eachother? You'll probably think I'm maf for saying this, but that's incredibly lame and allows for a scenario such as the one you described where it's very difficult for the mafia to win.