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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
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I am hoping this thread will be rather short, but I fear the worst. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On February 28 2022 06:50 whaski wrote: "The Ukrainian question"... It is like attempt to get in historybooks as the most foul regime IF this stuff is real. And preplanned war explained... And this is the part where I don't believe it to be real. It simply doesn't fit the Russian narrative of denazification, drug addicts, CIA backed Maidan as a minority opinion. You can safely assume that if Russia would have won this quickly, you would have read about liberation, some new fake representatives welcoming Putin, how they removed thugs etc... So even if this actually was at those news sites, (which is hard to proof...) given the fact that anonymous (and whoever is using this label as a cover...) is doing a really bang up job taking over or down nearly every Russian web page to ever have existed, I wouldn't pay too much attention to it. Thats like when supposedly TASS published the exact same numbers as the Ukrainian MoD but sourcing the Russian MoD.... This was like the laziest fake of all time. Even in a war where everyone was perfectly honest (ask your history teacher when this happened the last time...) you would never get to the same numbers from both sides. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4124 Posts
From what I've seen Russia has not yet used any of their drones and more indiscriminate artillery, so from a purely warfare perspective they still have a bunch of options left. Doesn't mean that this wasn't an objectively bad day for them, because it certainly was. | ||
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SC-Shield
Bulgaria902 Posts
On February 28 2022 07:06 Fildun wrote: Belarus has announced their official entry into the war, will probably open up another front to the west of the current Kiev front. Maybe targeting Lutsk into Lviv? From what I've seen Russia has not yet used any of their drones and more indiscriminate artillery, so from a purely warfare perspective they still have a bunch of options left. Doesn't mean that this wasn't an objectively bad day for them, because it certainly was. The fact that they don't use indiscriminate artillery implies that Putin isn't completely irrational as some would like to point out. Therefore, I don't believe in his latest nuclear weapon bluff for that same reason. However, it does serve as "watch out". In either case, one of the most amazing stories today for me is that Russian state media is banned in the EU. I've been getting increasingly annoyed at RT (Russia Today) propaganda and also their videos on YouTube when they come up randomly. Thank god for that. Link: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/feb/27/eu-ban-russian-state-backed-channels-rt-sputnik Next good news is EU committing as a whole to supply Ukraine with weaponry  | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9251 Posts
On February 28 2022 07:06 Fildun wrote: Belarus has announced their official entry into the war, will probably open up another front to the west of the current Kiev front. Maybe targeting Lutsk into Lviv? From what I've seen Russia has not yet used any of their drones and more indiscriminate artillery, so from a purely warfare perspective they still have a bunch of options left. Doesn't mean that this wasn't an objectively bad day for them, because it certainly was. Have they? I've been seeing some noise about this but none of it seems believable. Zelensky talked with Lukashenko earlier and and the conclusion of those talks is that a Ukrainian and Russian delegation is to hold talks in the morning on the Belarus border. Also, not even Russia is officially in a war. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
With new F35 being on the way, they would probably be available. Oh, and I would really love to know how those values in those decisions are computed for outdated equipment (which, be honest, is most of the equipment sent...). E.g. those Polish Mig-29 were gifted by Germany (they were former GDR planes) So value = 0, add them as a tip! Or do they look at the most recent sale on Ebay? Obviously, it is much easier for stuff like Stingers or rifles.. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On February 28 2022 07:33 mahrgell wrote: Oh, and I would really love to know how those values in those decisions are computed for outdated equipment (which, be honest, is most of the equipment sent...). E.g. those Polish Mig-29 were gifted by Germany (they were former GDR planes) So value = 0, add them as a tip! Or do they look at the most recent sale on Ebay? Obviously, it is much easier for stuff like Stingers or rifles.. Those planes in particular aren't state of the art, but they are still used by even Russia. With modern upgrades they're pretty good. It's a hand-me-down, essentially. | ||
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mahrgell
Germany3943 Posts
On February 28 2022 07:36 plasmidghost wrote: My limited knowledge of the financial markets tell me that this move is going to make things worse for everyone, right? In a way it is similar to the freeze the west applied to Russian values in the west. But with a wider radius, as Western freezes still had some targeting. Now besides the freeze, the main consequence, even if the freeze is cancelled at some point is the loss of trust. And yes, that works both ways, its just that the western financial markets can do without some oligarchs money because he is feared of it getting frozen, while the Russian financial markets are in trouble without western money, e.g. Norways investment fonds, because they now know they can get frozen at will. And this loss in trust alone of course will cause shock waves, because even if you we a firm Russian believer, you do not want to be in the market whenever those funds would become unfrozen. (And if you expect everything become even worse, like confiscation and shit you don't wanna be in the market either...) | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-war-russia-vladimir-putin-miscalculation/ No country can prevail as an occupying force so if this is all true we can hopefully see Putin executing his exit strategy. | ||
KwarK
United States44398 Posts
On February 28 2022 07:33 mahrgell wrote: Supposedly the EU is also sending fighter planes as part of the new support package and I'm really wondering which planes that could be. Since it would require planes Ukraine is familiar with, I would probably guess they are talking about Polish Mig-29. With new F35 being on the way, they would probably be available. Oh, and I would really love to know how those values in those decisions are computed for outdated equipment (which, be honest, is most of the equipment sent...). E.g. those Polish Mig-29 were gifted by Germany (they were former GDR planes) So value = 0, add them as a tip! Or do they look at the most recent sale on Ebay? Obviously, it is much easier for stuff like Stingers or rifles.. Probably not super helpful to send Ukraine jets they don't know how to fly and have no infrastructure to support. Makes more sense to send them more of what they already know how to use. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18478 Posts
On February 28 2022 08:02 KwarK wrote: Probably not super helpful to send Ukraine jets they don't know how to fly and have no infrastructure to support. Makes more sense to send them more of what they already know how to use. isn't that exactly what mahrgell said? | ||
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