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NOTE: When providing a source, please provide a very brief summary on what it's about and what purpose it adds to the discussion. The supporting statement should clearly explain why the subject is relevant and needs to be discussed. Please follow this rule especially for tweets.

Your supporting statement should always come BEFORE you provide the source.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6609 Posts
3 hours ago
#19181
On October 16 2026 21:51 Billyboy wrote:
It’s been confirmed by multiple sources, including Zelensky himself.

I have to assume what "it" is and respond. Zelensky can't confirm what US intelligence knew or didn't know about specific strikes. He's not privy. This is not the first strike the US hasn't warned about because it's not the first strike they themselves have not known about.

If you actually read a source it says they missed one and caught and told them about the next three.

On October 16 2026 21:51 Billyboy wrote:
They is Russia obviously

Your pronouns have completely ambiguous antecedents. Your writing is so atrocious that it hides what this is even referring to. Are you saying "they would have done it when starlink got turned off for them, not months and months later." meant "Russia would have done it when starlink got turned off for them, not months and months later." ? Then, again, done what?

On October 16 2026 21:51 Billyboy wrote:
No they have not been.

You think the US hasn't been Ukraine's single biggest supporter? Take the time to at least ask whatever robot you're using now before being this assured. Is it Gemini or ChatGPT, or have you migrated again?

On October 16 2026 21:51 Billyboy wrote:
Not sure why you want a forever war. But I guess that is trumps goal in Iran. The way you stop a war is pressuring the aggressor, not the victim. Damn you’re daft.

You would think tightening not opening would be the solution then no?

I do not want a forever war. Your ability to read words and conclude they mean the exact opposite of what they say is either deliberate, or extreme ignorance.

Iran was Russia's #1 partner on drones. Now they cannot manufacture and export to Russia.

On October 16 2026 22:00 LightSpectra wrote:
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On October 16 2026 14:08 oBlade wrote:
The "nuclear fear" is we don't want hot wars between nuclear superpowers. We don't want to poke them. Even though they don't immediately do global thermonuclear war when poked.


U.S. presidents from Truman to H.W. Bush: YEAH WE'RE SUPPORTING COUNTRIES FIGHTING AGAINST THE SOVIETS, THE FUCK YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?

Trump: I'm sowwy but we just cwan't pwovoke a nucwear suwerpower 🥺

I'm not Trump.

You apparently didn't read the Obama quote I just posted and linked. We do not want Russia to do whatever they want. We also can't have a war with them, unless they attack us or a TREATY ALLY. These are 21st century realities. They are not the USSR. The USSR was the 2nd biggest economy in the world. Russia is the 9th, with the most nukes, and a medium army.

Almost everything in your timeframe was a proxy war. Meaning our proxies fought their proxies. There was some direct aerial combat vs. Soviet jets in the Korean War. But the only person from Truman to George HW Bush who supported someone who actually ATTACKED INTO the USSR was Reagan, in Afghanistan, and that was DWARFED by the strikes from Ukraine into Russia in the current war.

It's very different to say "We are sending AK47s to rebels to mess up Syria because Russia won't like it" than it is to give people missiles and drones they launch and end up hitting apartment buildings and stuff with. Even if their own apartment buildings were hit first. It can be right or wrong, but you aren't even at the level of realizing it's different.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
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Last Edited: 2026-10-17 07:02:18
3 hours ago
#19182
On September 25 2026 09:07 ETisME wrote:
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On September 23 2026 09:34 ggrrg wrote:
On September 23 2026 08:06 ETisME wrote:
...The media has been broadcasting about how huge the Ukraine latest strikes were, but the counter by Russia is arguably just as effective if not more.

This argument needs more substantiation. It seems to hinge on the situation of the Ukrainian steel industry:

After being messed by the EU rule/tariff (https://www.reuters.com/business/ukraines-war-hit-steel-industry-faces-new-obstacle-eu-rules-2026-08-14/), the latest strikes have stopped 90% of steel industry (https://www.kyivpost.com/post/84964)

https://www.rt.com/russia/646040-ukraine-steel-industry-destroyed/
From the sound of things, the CEO mentioned the Russians know where to hit, just showing geran is precision drone strike than a lucky hit in a saturation strikes.

This comes in the worst time with Ukraine just proposed the 2027 war budget $110 Billion, and also already facing a $27 billion shortfall in current budget
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/09/world/europe/ukraine-war-cost.html


90% sounds scary, but what exactly is the importance of these steel works? Kryvyi Rih has been within 50km from the frontline since week 1 of the invasion. The larger plant Zaporizhstal has been within 35km of the frontline since month 1 of the invasion. How significant can these targets be if Russia has not deemed them important enough to strike in nearly 4.5 years? One would think that - if they had any military significance - Russia would have diverted at least a tiny fraction of their armaments reserved for hospitals and residential buildings to these steel mills.
The article compares Zaporizhstal's significance to the two major steel mills in Mariupol. Mariupol officially fell 3 months into the invasion. It has however been fully encircled within a week of the invasion. Would this mean that Zaporizhstal is as important to Ukraine as two other steel mills that have not contributed anything at all to the war effort?
The article quanitifies the yearly finanacil hit to the Ukrainian government budget as 1.2 billion USD. The total external financial aid to Ukraine is listed as about 580 billion USD in nearly 4.5 years or 128 billion USD on average per year. It kind of feels like the financial impact is nothing more than a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things.

It's not just the steel industries that are reporting these precision strikes.
The cost of war has increase significantly, hence the shortfall and then the 10%-ish increase in the 2027 estimate. 3000 Geran 4/5 is going to make it substantially more expensive.
If the defense is Ukraine will just keep getting funded its way out throughout another year or two, I would love to see it.

Looks like the budget just got massively revised.
Definitely seeing the impact of the new drones now.
2027 original war budget was $110billion.
It's now revised to $170billion.

EU better start digging the frozen russian asset or its just gonna drag their economy further down.

Ukraine definitely should keep bombing russian energy infrastructure, if defense are failing to keep up, then all the more important they are on the offense.
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