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On January 14 2015 23:28 Half the Sky wrote:As we are all waiting, I will run this by BH. I make no promises.
If a newbie signs up in the meantime, they get first preference.
How do you know I am not a newbie?
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On January 17 2015 07:20 Trfel wrote:
He said that he would only be making 10 posts per day. I personally feel that it will be extremely hard for him to play effectively with 10 posts per day. If he is purposefully handicapping himself with a very strict post limit and that causes him to play poorly and be lynched, that's his fault; we can't allow for players to intentionally play badly. I will remove my vote if he proves himself useful.
You should be voting for people whom you think are mafia not try to policy lynch a good player at the start of the game.
10 posts per day is more than enough to catch geript if he is mafia.
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What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
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On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone.
Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player.
To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong.
Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game?
Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players.
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On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him.
LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new.
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On January 17 2015 07:37 LoneMeow wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. A bit WIFOM but yeah, it puts him in the spotlight so more likely to come from town than scum.
Exactly.
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On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far?
Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that.
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On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs)
You scum bro?
I come in with an observation, you attack the observation, then ask me what my thoughts are in the middle of a discussion of my thoughts, then agree with me after disagreeing with me. Then start asking for a female?!??!
You seem to be playing in a disjointed manner. It already feels like there is a disconnect between you and the happenings in the game.
Don't like it.
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On January 17 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) You scum bro? I come in with an observation, you attack the observation, then ask me what my thoughts are in the middle of a discussion of my thoughts, then agree with me after disagreeing with me. Then start asking for a female?!??! You seem to be playing in a disjointed manner. It already feels like there is a disconnect between you and the happenings in the game. Don't like it. I not scum and I Was refering to rsoultin because she hasn't entered the thread yet and would love to talk to her about the game.
I have no idea how you can ask me what my thoughts were and then backflip from disagreeing? to agreeing with them.
How many games have you played if you do not mind me asking?
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On January 17 2015 07:56 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:54 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:
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Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player.
To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong.
Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game?
Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) You scum bro? I come in with an observation, you attack the observation, then ask me what my thoughts are in the middle of a discussion of my thoughts, then agree with me after disagreeing with me. Then start asking for a female?!??! You seem to be playing in a disjointed manner. It already feels like there is a disconnect between you and the happenings in the game. Don't like it. I not scum and I Was refering to rsoultin because she hasn't entered the thread yet and would love to talk to her about the game. I have no idea how you can ask me what my thoughts were and then backflip from disagreeing? to agreeing with them. How many games have you played if you do not mind me asking? 5 complete games. I didn't disagree with your idea I was just stating what I know about Tfrel's openings that's all.
Ok.
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On January 17 2015 09:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 09:28 LightningStrike wrote:
GB why you claimed VT so early with no pressure? Because I can't stand being VT anymore Just can't I would love to be a cop.
So basically your reads are so bad that you can't stand it anymore and you want to get game mechanics to do the work for you?
LOL
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On January 17 2015 09:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Also DP GB had good reads in Carol so idk why you think his reads is normally bad tbh with you.
It was a dig at him. I guess mafia never understand humor though so I forgive you.
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On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter.
Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason?
Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt.
Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far.
What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda?
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On January 17 2015 10:43 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:38 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. Why would scum put the spotlight on himself from the get go for no reason? Shit like this always looks bad but the underlying point ends up being that they don't give a fuck what they look like which is a townie trait because scum ALWAYS care what they look like due to their inherent feelings of guilt. Do you think Trfel is scum? Cause he is my biggest town read in the game so far. What does BS meter mean exactly? Why does Trefel's early vote fit with the mafia agenda? It means that his explanation does not line up with what I know of him. The vote I could really care less about. I think it's preemptive but not alignment indicative. His explanation for it directly contradicts the simple fact that Trfel plays effectively with a low post count, and LS is right in that I don't think I've ever seen him policy lynch. (Note that my vote never made it to the voting thread. I don't necessarily think he's scum but I want him to explain to me why the sudden near-180 in his play.)
So you are saying he is being a hypocrite?
How does that affect his alignment?
Like can only scum be Hypocrites? If so, what is your rationale for that belief?
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On January 17 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows. This is exactly why I am questioning Trfel this hard. He usually has very good reasons for voting people out, right or wrong...to enter with a straight up policy vote less than a minute after game start to me is out-of-character for him. -shrugs-
It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game?
Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary.
He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action.
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On January 17 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:51 Trfel wrote:
rsoultin, I would like to know what you expected to gain from some of your later questions, particularly, "do you intend to scumhunt this game"? There is only one possible answer to that question. Also, do you have any thoughts on the rest of the thread? I'm surprised that you picked on my opening but not GlowingBear's opening, which is bad for reasons I have previously stated.
That said, rsoultin's questioning does fit with her town meta. For an example of this, see the opening of the most recent Newbie Mafia.
LightningStrike, why do you townread GlowingBear for that opening? Yes, it is true that there is no motivation for scum to claim VT right at the start of the game with no pressure. But there is also no motivation for town to claim VT right at the start of the game with no pressure. Sure, I have thoughts. One is how wriggly wormy you're being here lately. The scumhunt question obviously was rhetorical; it implied that your policy vote is not scumhunting. Again, you are nitpicking instead of addressing the point of my questions: namely, now that you've gotten discussion started, how serious really are you about that vote? GB has been questioned without really responding, as has JarJar. Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows. This is exactly why I am questioning Trfel this hard. He usually has very good reasons for voting people out, right or wrong...to enter with a straight up policy vote less than a minute after game start to me is out-of-character for him. -shrugs- It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game? Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary. He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action. I expect a certain rationality from Trfel based on the games we've played together. He typically does not do poor or arbitrary things. This is not about every player. This is about him. If he did some of the things LS or SL does every single game, it would get my attention, too. Are you trying to tell me that scum couldn't open with a policy lynch on a player that pre-game claimed he wouldn't post much, and pre-game was asked about why and jokingly called scum? I'm not saying Trfel is scum, but I don't see anything particularly townie about it. I'd call it flat-out low-hanging fruit for scum, personally, going after a geript lynch right now. Which is why I want to know how far Trfel intends to take it. I'd be riding his ass less if he were more direct about answering my questions. I get that you think he's being townie here, and I get that you think it's too bold a move for scum to make, but I personally don't see the danger in it for scum. Even if geript were lynched later today, who would hold Trfel accountable? I mean, honestly, who?
I mean I like that you are being open with your thought process and you make some good points, but I just don't read into it as much as you and honestly I don;t think it is even POSSIBLE to meta read somebody with only three games played.
At that point people are still developing their style of play and changes are very common.
What are your thoughts on people other that Trifle.
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On January 17 2015 13:26 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 13:20 Trfel wrote:On January 17 2015 13:12 rsoultin wrote:
Again, you are nitpicking instead of addressing the point of my questions: namely, now that you've gotten discussion started, how serious really are you about that vote? Not at all. To be honest, I expect that geript will be just fine with only 10 posts. His analytical skills won't be hampered at all, he only loses most of his ability to question people and it will be difficult for him to push a lynch. Assuming that others do those two things for him, he should be just fine. ##UnvoteNow that I have clarified this, I would really like to hear your thoughts on what other people have said so far. ##Unvote (since apparently we actually do not have a voting thread :/) I'm okay with DP, Damdred and Lonemeow right now. LS, too...he is actively participating in the thread. JarJar may be scum; for someone who relies on voting analysis to suggest no vote is even more strange than the average player. I'd like to see his response. The rest I haven't really been able to get a read on as of yet.
Ninja'd
I'm more interested in the reasons FOR the reads than the actual reads right now.
Would you care to elaborate for me?
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On January 17 2015 16:37 geript wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:
##Vote geript On January 17 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote:I come out guns blazing, with fireworks and cannon fire, and meet silence...... Guess maybe I'll go do something else and wait for you guys to catch up XD I want to talk about this post more because I think it's more telling about DP than it is of Trfel because of DP's read on Trfel here + Show Spoiler +http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/475036-student-mafia-v?page=8#150 . On its face, Trfel's push on me looks a bit ballsy and therefore towny. The problem that I have with actually reading the push as towny specifically is that it's clearly something that he planned to do before the game started. In that regard, I'm a bit more leery of DP's townread on Trfel based on that alone because I think town!DP would've equally applied pressure both towards Trfel for a stupid push on a vet to clarify as to what Trfel's actual reason for the push is. I remember reading the first few pages before heading to D&D and initially feeling like DP felt a bit off, but not being able to really coalesce that notion in any reasonable way. Regardless, DP is a prolific poster and a great player; if I can't make a case on him by the end of night 1, then don't lynch him until D3. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:
What does everyone think of Trfel after his weird vote on Geript?
This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. I actually really like this post. There's a bit of condescending tone towards DP in it. It's much like smacking a snake. I don't think it's a worthwhile post, but it's also a post that I don't think LS could make as mafia. The "freeness" to speak his mind feels exceptionally towny to me. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:46 LightningStrike wrote:Also we seem to lacking a female atm and I would like to speak to her now  And less towny. In the newbie game, I don't really remember LS ever not feeling comfortable to post whatever the fuck he wanted. That said, he already has a 1 page filter (effectively) so I think I'll probably just stick with the townread for now. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. On January 17 2015 10:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:24 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 10:17 Trfel wrote:
I'm back.
LightningStrike's play does seem rather weird so far. First he says that my early vote is scummy, and then says that it is towny. Regardless of whether my early vote was a good or bad play, LightningStrike's view changed on it after DarthPunk and LoneMeow expressed opinions that it was a slightly townie thing to do. And then, asking for rsoultin makes no sense at all. Why rsoultin? If it's to make a meta read, how about all of the rest of us he has played with before?
GlowingBear's opening seems pretty bad as well. In general I don't like claiming, since I feel that town players should simply play well to show that they are town (just like how I don't put very much focus on setups). Claim aside, why would he even sign up for the game if he doesn't want to play VT, the most common role? VT is the core of the game, the power roles are the fluff (especially in games like this one with only two power roles). Side note, I've been cop/tracker twice out of three previous games, and it hasn't been particularly enjoyable for me. VT is a much more enjoyable role IMO, less pressure and you can more freely speak your mind. It was to make a meta read on her and WarWaffle I only played 1 game with him and he seemed to be posting the same way he did in the last newbie game when he was Vet. Damdred's entrance post is all he got atm so I need to wait for a meta read on him. Although rsoultins only entrance was to vote you she didn't explain her reasoning for why she votign for you now. rsoultin welcome to the game now why calling BS on Tfrel's post? If it's a joke vote I can maybe understand but I don't see anything totally wrong with his vote except for the fact that gerpit had not posted yet so (shrugs) What's wrong with it is that the Trfel, before a single word was spoken...in fact practically the second the game started...decided to vote for someone because they are "intentionally playing bad". Not only has geript not posted at all in this thread, but Trfel himself has been very effective with quite minimal posts, and is usually very slow to vote or scumread people until he is sure. It may well be a pressure vote (the second the game started!) but not only is it more aggressive than I've come to expect from him, but his explanation is inherently false which he should know based on his own play in the last two games.Thus, BS meter. She's had 1-2 posts so far but I like rsoultin for town already. I think this is both a good read and interesting as it accurately summarizes why I was a bit caught off guard by Trfel's entrance. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:41 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:06 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 09:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Also DP GB had good reads in Carol so idk why you think his reads is normally bad tbh with you. It was a dig at him. I guess mafia never understand humor though so I forgive you. I'm not scum and I just found the conversation between you and GB a little bit odd but it because I never played with both of you together in a single game (first time playing with you DP), I probably shouldn't read into this as much as I am. But how I think of LS (as a WoS clone), I don't think that he could actually post this as mafia. Call me a sucker if you like, but I'm just going to paint LS green for today unless I see something really eye-popping. There's also a way in which LS stands his ground on this feels very towny and confident. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:45 jarjarbinks wrote:
WHAT THE HECK?! This game is WAY more exciting than my last game!
I propose a no lynch for day 1! Any followers? This post is exceptionally odd. JJB has had a number of odd voting statistic crap in the newbie game I coached/analyzed. While he's generally on the more inactive side of things, I actually find this post quite odd as currently it's his only post and hasn't really done anything with it. JJB has also struck me as more of a player who's more likely to flounder between doing things. So it actually seems pretty odd between being a "numbers guy" and less direction oriented that he'd suggest a no lynch and do nothing to push it. Sidenote: Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:21 LightningStrike wrote:
Scum:
JarJarBinks: For being a numbers type of guy in the newbie game and him asking for a No Lynch pretty much him claiming scum. I like that LS brought this up. I'll keep LS green for now. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 10:59 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 10:48 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 10:45 Trfel wrote:
There is no voting thread XD someone is really prepared for this game haha
LightningStrike, you played in Carol of the Bells. So did LoneMeow. Any thoughts on him? Lolol, oops. Well, explain then. -cracks whip- Seriously, you've dodged twice now. First quibbling over how many posts you posted in Carol on Day 2, then commenting that I didn't read the OP. (Which is true >> probably should go do that now.) I explained it already. I feel that geript is purposefully handicapping himself. Yes, his decision to use 10 posts per day was made before the game began, therefore before he knew his alignment. That doesn't matter though, since if he really is going to handicap himself, he deserves to get lynched for it. If he either stops using this self-imposed restriction or proves that he can play successfully using it, great for him. I generally try to be careful with calling people scum, that is true. But voting someone and calling them scum are very different things. Votes can be done in jest or for a wide variety of reasons, surely I don't need to provide examples for you. This post comes across as intentionally stubborn. That's something I tend to associate more with mafia than town. Additionally, Trfel is a player who in the newbie game I could read quite easily based on the quality of his posts quite early on. On opening his filter, he's actually asked more questions than he has given quality opinions. For a higher content poster, that's actually rather surprising and telling imo that he hasn't made 1 good post that in any way makes me think he's actually town. Trfel is probably a very good lynch. + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 12:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:09 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 12:04 Damdred wrote:
Kk so its three.
Tell me where you are at in the game this second Ls.
RS its possible but voting feript out is like an rng lynch it can hit scum but who knows. This is exactly why I am questioning Trfel this hard. He usually has very good reasons for voting people out, right or wrong...to enter with a straight up policy vote less than a minute after game start to me is out-of-character for him. -shrugs- It was pretty obviously a policy thing at the start of the game. What kind of reasons do you expect somebody to have about 1 min in to the game? Like they are always gonna be poor or arbitrary. He was pretty clear trying to get the ball rolling. Townie Points for a Townie Action. Less trusting of DP. I don't like how the reason for townreading Trfel feels like changes here. In looking at his filter, I'm less sure it actually changes. Best place to put this right now is between the townread on Trfel and the seeming change, if Trfel flips mafia, then DP is significantly more likely to be mafia. I still don't want to lynch him thought because of this post: + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 07:54 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 07:51 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:44 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:43 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:41 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:40 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:38 LightningStrike wrote:On January 17 2015 07:35 DarthPunk wrote:On January 17 2015 07:32 LightningStrike wrote:
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This is the first time I seen him do policy lynching Day 1 so I have no idea if he's town or not based on meta alone. Well I don't think you need to use meta especially on such a new player. To me it seemed like a very townie thing to do even though it was bad and wrong. Which newbie scum player is going to try and policy lynch a vet at the start of the game? Shows no fear of being controversial in the thread. Shit like that rarely happens for new scum players. Sorry to break it to you but Tfrel is not entirely new since he played 3 games with me with 1 of them me being scum and him town and the rest we were both town together so I know his town meta but this is something he never done at the opening of any of the games I played with him. LOL. Sorry to break it to you but 3 games is still new. Meh fair enough. What are your thoughts on Tfrels actions so far? Are you not reading the thread? I just said I thought it was townie. Like we were just talking about that. Ops I was just a little bit to tunneled on replying to you. I do agree his behavior is most likely town to policy lynch a vet player Day 1 but it not exactly good idea to do it (shurgs) You scum bro? I come in with an observation, you attack the observation, then ask me what my thoughts are in the middle of a discussion of my thoughts, then agree with me after disagreeing with me. Then start asking for a female?!??! You seem to be playing in a disjointed manner. It already feels like there is a disconnect between you and the happenings in the game. Don't like it. I not scum and I Was refering to rsoultin because she hasn't entered the thread yet and would love to talk to her about the game. I have no idea how you can ask me what my thoughts were and then backflip from disagreeing? to agreeing with them. How many games have you played if you do not mind me asking? as mafia!DP is less likely to think to post this. In my experience, mafia!DP can hammer any shit into the ground he wants. Town: Rsoultin LightningStrike Don't Lynch for now: Darth Punk Null: Breshke Damdred Glowingbear LoneMeow TheWarWaffle CoolTLname TheShining Good Lynches: Jarjarbinks Trfel Questions I need answers to: 1. @DP. Did you come into this game with any preconceived notions, views or reputation on Trfel? 2. @DP. Do you disagree with any of the reads I've made so far and why? 3. @Trfel. Which, if any, of my reads do you disagree with and why? Additionally, are there any players or points that you think I've noticeably missed in my analysis? 4. @Damdred. Explain the reasons for your 3 scum reads. Especially the LS read. 5. @GB. Explain why you think Trfel is obviously town at this point specifically + Show Spoiler +On January 17 2015 13:51 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 12:00 Trfel wrote:On January 17 2015 11:57 rsoultin wrote:On January 17 2015 11:50 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I will respond to jarjar's request for a no lynch. No, we will definitely lynch.
No lynch on Day 1 is bad because it usually leaves you in an almost equally uninformed position on Day 2. Eventually you have to make that first lynch. Yes, town is often lynched on Day 1, but you can still lynch scum on Day 1 with effective play (and a bit of luck).
I will keep my vote on geript until I feel that it is better for me to move it. It is really silly to ask me for rules for what I will do with my vote, since it's my own judgement and there is absolutely no reason for me to try and set rules for every possible scenario. Mhm. The question was not what your rules are. The question was do you intend to scumhunt at all? Why is it so difficult for you to answer a simple question? Will you or will you not adhere to policy voting over scumread voting? Since you can't possibly be scumreading geript off of no posting (and have admitted to such) I feel that it's a valid question. I don't understand where you are coming from. Of course I intend to scumhunt. Why do you ask a question which has only one answer? This guy is town. 6. @Shining. Where you at boo? 7. @JJB. What are your reads as of right now and why? #1
Well there is no way I am gonna be able to be able to meta geript this game.
He looks hella townie from that post though.
Question 1. I came into this game with the opinion that basically everyone except You and I were complete noobs. And if I didn't even know your name you were an even bigger noob.
So Trifel to me from the start was a giant noob.
I disagree with the fact that you think my reasons for the town!Trifel read changed, which you yourself mention? It stayed consistent I just focused on different parts of the read in different conversations.
I also don't like lightning strike.
But other than that your post was solid.
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On January 17 2015 23:35 Damdred wrote:
GB probably town for this.
tlcool is in the scum pile.
Mostly the three names were a reaction test to see how people would look at it. I don't scum read people for 0 posts lol.
LS is probable town.
JarJar made some interesting posts just now I need to go back over
Can you give me your reasoning on why Glowingbear looks town and Tl cool looks scummy based on their extremely similar reactions?
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