EPTFirst time playing mafia. I looked around the section for the first time recently, which was strange considering I have lurked TL for quite some time now. I like the premise and now I want to try.
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TheWarWaffle
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First time playing mafia. I looked around the section for the first time recently, which was strange considering I have lurked TL for quite some time now. I like the premise and now I want to try. | ||
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Is a non-native English speaker at a disadvantage in Mafia? I consider myself well-studied in English but certain phrases occasionally confound me. | ||
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On December 31 2014 09:23 Half the Sky wrote: Tired atm since I'm going to bed but alright otherwise. Since you are new I'll ask you this...how did you find your way here? Curiosity and a source of new reading material. I've frequented Team Liquid for approximately 4.5 years, which was first caused by an overwhelming affinity for the newly released StarCraft II. I considered myself a closet expert on everything StarCraft until about 8 months ago. My amount of free time to play and watch games was dramatically reduced, so I started to grow more distant from the game and the community. I never stopped reading the articles and forums, however. Something about them appeals to me, even if I'm not a fan of the game discussed or even part of the discussion. In my slow-but-steady progress of reading through all the major threads on this site, I somehow avoided the Mafia section entirely, mostly because I was unsure as to what it actually was. I thought it was some sort of online game until about 3 weeks ago, to be perfectly honest. Nothing I had read in other sections or by other users mentioning Mafia explained what it actually was, so... Anyway, something somebody said made me question what Mafia was again, so I started reading through the threads and found them to be much enjoyable. In an attempt to make myself proactive in posting, I decided to sign up on the first Newbie game I saw. | ||
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... I'm not Romanian, but close to it. Is this sarcasm? | ||
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"The only thing constant is change." | ||
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On January 02 2015 15:38 Trfel wrote: Close. It's just a normal colon. Still, you get a townread. I'll delay your lynch until Day 2. I always mix those up. I also almost always spell alocohol (alcohol) wrong when I type it for some strange reason. | ||
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On January 05 2015 14:50 Tubesock wrote: Hi! Did that really help you? The more and more I'm reading guides and whatnot the less confident I become in Day 1. Not only that but the fact in the database town lynches town 75% of the time. Ouch. There are subtle things like phrasing that come to mind. Having someone essentially sit down and explain the finer points of truth-hiding and lying was very helpful to me. Other people may not extract the same information I did, however. And the lynching aspect: I think Mafia really boils down to mind games. The amount of possible information that one can construe from word choice and sentence structure alone is incredible. Essentially, if enough people are playing mind games at a high level, and watching everything they say and do, then the game is akin to a coin flip. Considering in most games the Mafia consist of 25% of the players... This only works at the beginning of the game, however, and breaks down after indisputable evidence is gathered. More information means more opportunities to discern lies and reveal who is who. | ||
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On January 05 2015 17:04 ExO_ wrote: Read everything else that was posted just now. I dont like tubesock saying his reads are going to be trash probably, but its day 1 and I think he gets a pass for now. Warwaffle why don't you share some of this amazing information you've discovered already, since you are so great at reading based on phrasing and what not. I think its rather arrogant to sit back and say "I know so much already" without actually saying anything. Since a read has already been done on Half the Sky, I'll give mine. Half the Sky, after rsoultin jokingly gave her a scum, said: LOL Rasputin, I'm not anxious. I'm very determined to find the scummers and sniff them out. Damn straight I'm town, but here's the thing - It's one thing to be town, but it's another to step up and do something about it. And that's what I was driving at. We have a lot of new players in this game, most have not played a game here, so we definitely need to see how things pan out. If you know any information Rasputin on any of the players you've played with in some of your other non-TL games (since it seems you've recruited a few of them here), give us a shout. LOL Rasputin, I'm not anxious. I'm very determined to find the scummers and sniff them out. Damn straight I'm town, but here's the thing - It's one thing to be town, but it's another to step up and do something about it. And that's what I was driving at. The first thing she puts emphasis on is the fact that she isn't anxious when it wasn't rsoultin's primary point. HTS is also determined to find scummers and sniff them out. Saying the same thing twice when it's your second sentence is very strange indeed, and shows that HTS may indeed be nervous. Implies that in being town she will be proactive and attempt to reveal who is scum--if she doesn't, it will be easy to tell. "Do something about it" also implies a problem. We have a lot of new players in this game, most have not played a game here, so we definitely need to see how things pan out. If you know any information Rasputin on any of the players you've played with in some of your other non-TL games (since it seems you've recruited a few of them here), give us a shout. And then, after initially being very aggressive in trying to portray herself as wanting to find scum, HTS wants to "see how thing pan out", which implies a slow start--something scum want, not town. The final four words also lend a clue. "Give us a shout." Who is "us" at this point? In the previous sentence she refers to herself and rsoultin as us. At this point, the "us" could be anyone. I didn't mean to be arrogant in my previous post. My apologies. | ||
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After reading the thread my current reads for the game are as follows: The Shining: Town The Shining has not posted all that much but the quality of posting changed drastically as soon as the game started. The Shining asks questions where they need to be asked and maintains a cordial aloofness towards everyone who is playing. No person is accused of anything without evidence. Half the Sky: Town HTS acts like a true townie. Says what she wants, when she wants to, to whomever she wants. At least, that's what she wants us to believe, but I don't have anything better at this time. rsoultin: Suspicious The accusation-train keeps on rolling whenever rsoultin is around. I find the similarities in play style to her previous games an indicator of deceit rather than openness. Rsoultin rolled Town in every other game she played like this, so why shouldn't she be Town now? I can't think of a better cover than this. Strangely, even though rsoultin admits that it's her "bias" to ignore inactives, she votes for me. This is strange for several reasons: I was inactive at the time she started my lynch wagon; she had previously agreed with my post on HTS; and there was no progression of thought as to why I was scum. jarjarbinks: Light Town Jarjarbinks' behavior sets off no alarm bells in my mind even though he lurks more than he posts. The posts he does make are normally short and succinct, and while many of his posts appear misleading at first, they work in the context. I think the only reason he is voting for me is because other people started the wagon. Trfel: Unknown As Trfel has posted effectively nothing indicating any affiliation, I must refrain from passing judgment on the hangman. Gumdrop: Town Gumdrop hasn't said much but from what was said I glean bits of Town. The reasons given for not posting more are adequate, and the type of posts implies a desire for something to happen, something the Mafia does not want. The posts that were made are logical and forward-thinking. A more Mafia-oriented lurker would post more misleading information. Silverarte: Possible Mafia The ease of which Silverarte hops aboard the bandwagon train is startling. Silverarte was leaning towards ExO_ and Gumdrop being scum, for the reasons of aggressive accusations and "posting and offering nothing" respectively. Somehow, both of these are forgotten as soon as she jumped on my vote bandwagon. For someone who admits she's new and even goes as far to use that as defense for gumdrop her voting for me makes no sense based on her previous actions. The previous existing relationship between Silverarte and rsoultin gives cause for the sudden change of thought, but even so... ExO_: Light Town My thoughts on ExO_ have flipped back and forth for some time now. Initially I thought he was town for being the only one willing to aggressively step and take affirmative action. After that, I thought he was scum for simply spreading accusations thin and putting a cloud of doubt over everyone, which is scum-like behavior. Though his disappearance is suspicious, it does not seem implicative. -Celestial-: Town -Celestial- maintains a consistent level of posts and explains his thoughts in a logical progression. I see no suspicious behavior, only a desire to understand and unearth new information. LightningStrike: Suspicious/Unknown I have my own reasons for being suspicious of LS, mainly due to the constant attempts to shift attention whenever the focus is on him. Tubesock: Mafia After looking at all of Tubesock's posts, I strongly believe that he is Mafia. His posts, while numerous, are short and always seem to detract from the conversation rather than add. Very few of the accusations presented by Tubesock are his; most are other people's regurgitated ideas. I think Tubesock's passive beginning was only due to the low amount of traffic it received, and that his "coming out of his shell" was him realizing that he could take advantage of it. Several times he has posted about the inactivity of the thread, which seems redundant when your very post makes it active. Tubesock only did this to make it look like he cares. A Mafia player wants there to be confusion, chaos, and distrust in the thread. Do Tubesock's actions create clear, organized discussion? I don't think so. Currently, Tubesock has my vote. I'd like to hear other people's opinions as well. | ||
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On January 07 2015 05:17 Tubesock wrote: I'll ask again. So, Warwaffle, I'm your strongest read. What's my scum motivation for having one of the largest filters? Why would I bother trying to get people to talk? Who really pushed to get information from Silver, JarJar, and Gumdrops who universally appear to be deemed lurkers? You have a large filter because you took over ExO_'s position (accuser) after he disappeared. Your scum motivation would be to hide in plain sight and gain people's trust by posting frequently. Everyone has something to gain from getting people to talk; this is not indicative of scum. All of my scum indications from you have come from questions I asked myself when looking at your posts. Why would he say that? Why would I say that? What are his true intentions behind saying/writing this? I implore you to prove me wrong. However, after seeing LS's questionable "defense leaps", I feel that he has become the weakest link, and the safest vote out of everyone. | ||
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On January 13 2015 13:23 Trfel wrote: This game made me really sad  I played horribly. Really sorry to everyone for my lack of contributing anything useful. Still, definitely a lot of very strong newbie performances. In particular I did really like WarWaffle's play. Taking inactivity as a given, the rest of it wasn't bad at all. Especially that blue generic claim. The lynch was too bad. Not blaming this one on anyone other than myself though.... oh well, hopefully I will play better next time. Edit: How could I forget, thanks a ton to kitaman and Templar for hosting, as well as all of the coaches (especially GlowingBear, you #1!) And Half the Sky, as expected, you play a really brutal mafia game. For the record, I was intentionally not attempting to read you, since I really badly wanted to call you scum but on D1 I just couldn't see any reasons for it. Getting lynched day 1 is a strong newbie performance? Participation ribbons for everyone... and it wasn't even you who hung me. I got hung and you got shot. How fair is that? | ||
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On January 13 2015 09:16 geript wrote: At points, I'm likely going to be somewhat harsh on a bunch of people here. I'm not trying to do this to hurt your feelings, make you feel bad, make you never want to play mafia again, etc. Mafia is a really hard game to become good at and it often takes a bunch of experience and a lot of time. When you have that "magical game" where it all clicks, it's one of the best feelings in the world. I'm reading the game as critically and objectively as I can in hopes that you guys can take the critiques (whether overboard or not) both for your play (and other's play in this game) and use them to try and get better at mafia. Hopefully, this helps. Day 1 Night 1 Day 2 Night 2 Day 3 Thanks for taking the time to analyze and write a summary of this game. I wasn't alive for much of it, but I now understand the concept of the game of Mafia much better now. Unfortunately, that doesn't make me any less likely to be lynched, I reckon. | ||
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