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On October 12 2014 19:04 DarthPunk wrote: Probably sn0 and That food guy. They look the worst right now anyway. ftr I don't think sno is mafia. | ||
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On October 12 2014 19:34 DarthPunk wrote: All he has done is say that he wants to bring me down a notch which was not productive and did not in anyway contribute to solving the game. Yes and it doesn't make him mafia because he does very little on D1's anyways. In other words it's not alignment indicative. GB however calls ritoky's reads "bizarre" and therefore mafia when he shares ritoky's top scumread (geript). Makes sense how? | ||
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Someone trying to scumhunt is scum... w00t? | ||
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Oats is almost definitely town for cutting out the shit talk someone tried to push after his claim. Whoever that dude was didn't even call hopeless mafia but only casted doubt on his claim for no reason (it was the correct play to claim). Why did you do that whoever you were? | ||
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Also does it make sense to you he scumreads people for trying to scumhunt? | ||
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On October 12 2014 20:22 Chairman Ray wrote: Yes to the first question. Besides geript, ritoky's reads and different than GB's, and even the reasoning for geript is different as well. If I was scumreading someone and someone else was scumreading them as well, but for crappy reasons, I would totally call him out on it. It's a good indication of scum either pretending to be active or bussing. Can you give me the specific example for the second question? I'm not sure what it is referring to. Also when I was revisiting GB's filter, I noticed that he volunteered information that he was at a party like 4 times, even though nobody criticized him for being absent. Seems a little too defensive to me. If there's something scummy about GB to me, it would be that. I would still rather lynch sqrt today though. What do you think about him? On GlowingBear: On October 12 2014 08:56 GlowingBear wrote: On Geript + Show Spoiler [questioning] + On October 12 2014 06:26 geript wrote: Hello "town." Why'd you take so long coming to the thread? On October 12 2014 06:27 geript wrote: Why would you say he might be scum instead of just flat out calling him scum? On October 12 2014 06:32 geript wrote: How do you know that he's trying to find a slip? Doesn't that presume he's town? This sounds like complete bullshit. On October 12 2014 06:37 geript wrote: If you're happy to play, then why are you bullshitting so much early? I don't think his massive questioning is a town trait. I think it's a scum trying to look like town here. Look, it's easy to start questioning and look contributive at early game. It's a good opportunity for mafia to gain two points. But check the second quote. He raises suspicions on damdy for saying that I might be mafia instead of being incisive. Should damdy be really that incisive when I've only posted twice? Why picking on this? He picked on this because it is easy to pick and look contributive. It's easy to see something little and question about it, specially when there's nothing to infer from it, and gain town points by doing that. I see much more a mafia doing this than a townie. Now, on DP "I have no idea about his alignment but I'll vote him LOLOLOL I DON'T CARE" Not caring is a mafia trait, right? So this is really scum. But isn't this too scum? Like, if you're mafia, you would risking posting like this? So, my conclusions on this post is 1) He is mafia trying to be read as town because he is too mafia to be mafia, or 2) He is blue fishing for a null read. He starts looking scummy but then goes to a town like position, which would make people only lean town on him. But talking about blue roles is stupid, it only helps mafia. That's why I didn't want to talk about it. This took to long, I think I made my point. Here is the summarization post he made. He calls geript out for trying to scumhunt. He literally does that. It does not matter what he thinks of Damdred but the read on geript (based on his questioning on Damdred is terribad). I cannot possibly believe he thinks geript is mafia for asking questions on people because geript is "trying to pick on things to look like he is scumhunting". Put yourself in geript's position for a while. Do you think it's possible geript as town thinks Damdred is mafia for what he said? I think it's certainly possible. Now what would geript do in case he is town and thinks Damdred is mafia for what he said? I think exactly what he did. He is scumhunting. Hell he is not even voting for Damdred so apparently he isn't sure Damdred is mafia. He is just trying to find out information on things he doesn't understand (which is btw what GB calls a town trait....). Does it make geript town? Certainly not because he could very well do that as mafia aswell. But it DEFINITELY does not make him mafia. I find it impossible GlowingBear has a scumread on geript. Then he calls DarthPunk mafia for "not caring". I am amazed. In GlowingBear's mind DarthPunk is a really good player so would mafia!DP do this? I cannot believe he reads DP mafia for this. Except he doesn't really even read him as scum. He reads him "mafia or blue". Which just doesn't fit. The explanation absolutely does not fit. "DarthPunk who is a really good players intentionally tries to look like he is scum because he is blue". Really good players do not do that and GlowingBear should know that. Another thing is he calls ritoky's reads bizarre.Well his reads are like 1500x more bizarre because they are based on null or town tells. Ritoky's reads are mostly based on meta or feelings of how certain people would approach the game as town or mafia. There is nothing wrong with having this sort of reads at this point of the game especially when his own (at least town) reads (read: Damdred for example) are based on purely same sort of though process ritoky is using. That being said i like your case on sqrt. Unless i am mistaken i have not played with him before and i have no clue how he would play as town or as mafia. I don't know if he is mafia but unless he can explain himself and elaborate further i think you got a decent case. | ||
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On October 12 2014 20:39 Oatsmaster wrote: I dunno about gb man. That push on DP was totes too dumb to be scum. He did the EXACT same thing against me in the last game he was mafia in. It threw me off and he KNEW it. Not gonna fly any more. | ||
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You should be one of the people to realize why GB's read on you is heavily forced and backpedalled as soon as people call him out for it. Why don't you realize that? | ||
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Point out why they are scummy. | ||
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On October 12 2014 07:01 GlowingBear wrote: Conclusion: geript is mafia tryhard and you are suspicious of being mafia or trying to look as mafia right? | ||
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Anyways, you didn't answer my question. You called DarthPunk mafia without knowing if he is town or mafia. More importantly, you have a possible blue read on him and ALL your posting implicates you are not more sure of him being mafia than blue. So in your opinion it was the best play to out a possible blue role (because if DarthPunk was mafia -- as you said, he would need to be "bad mafia which he is not"). So in fact as per your posting you had a blue read on DarthPunk and the best way to handle it was to call him scum? | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote: I had both scenarios in mind. Why not saying he could be scum, get people talking, and not talking about the blue scenario? If you check, I immediately decided to not talk about DP and focus on geript. So the thought didn't cross your mind you will be called out for your crappy read (yeah it was really crappy)? You literally said this: On October 12 2014 07:11 GlowingBear wrote: Geript: trying too hard at the start of the game, picking on little things. He is mafia DarthPunk: his vote on damdred is too scummy. He is either bad mafia (which I don't believe so, he is a legend  ) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.Start ignoring me, I really believe this at the moment. Here you do say "DarthPunk is either mafia (which u do not believe!!) or he is town blue (which you did clarify later on)". Again how does it make any sense to out a guy you have a blue read on by calling him scum? | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:25 GlowingBear wrote: Why his reads are bad: "VE is town because he has a relieved feeling in his posts". Do you really believe that this is something you can read from a forum game, or that this kind of thing is so clear that makes you believe someone is town? Yes i do believe that's something you can read from a forum game. I don't believe in this particular situation it makes VE town but i can understand ritoky can have that read as town. Also, he says VE is gathering information from people. From his perspective, isn't geript too? Isn't DP? Why solely VE got a town pass? His read on VE / geript is not only that. That's only a small portion of the read. The reads are mostly based on behaviour and how VE / geript (or town and mafia) tend to act at the start of the game - generally, and how VE7geript did it in this game regarding their past games. There is nothing wrong with this and you are misconstruing what ritoky in fact said as a whole. He then townreads sqrt. He came to the thread, made a joke and lurked. Contributed with nothing. When he posts his reads, he is town because he have different reads from everybody? Do you think this is alignment indicative? I don't. Yes i do think this could be alignment indicative. That's why i am not buying CR's case fully and that's why i want sqrt to elaborate more on his reads. He says geript isn't scum because he isn't happy. Again, that feeling thing. he says geript is scum..... Also, Rayn, it's totally okay to have the same scum read of your scum read. Mafia can always bus and in this particular case, we have different reasonings. And you know that. And you knowing that worries me. Only dumb mafia busses in this particular case so no, in this particular scenario it doesn't make any sense at all. His scum read on damdy is basically saying that he should be telling us my town tell. If damdred says it to everybody, I'll be able to fake it. It's obvious. It doesn't make damdred scum for that. BUT the past of not being contributive is okay. I think damdred should speak more. His scumread on Damdred is because he thinks Damdred gave a read that's based on bullshit rather than something concrete and he thinks Damdred is therefore just saying things out of his ass. Let's entertain a scenario where Damdred is town and ritoky is mafia. What good does it do for ritoky to call out Damdred for something like this? Then Damdred just tells his "tell on GB" and the situation is resolved and there is not gonna be a chance of Damdred calling you mafia ever in this game again based on (possibly) a shitty meta (which could be likely). It is much more likely he pushes Damdred for information as town here. | ||
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