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On April 24 2014 08:03 Promethelax wrote: We're one short. Though if we get no new players for another few days I'll probably start us on monday using one of the replacements/a slightly modified set-up. Not to criticize your counting skills, and I don't know about private stuff, but if dfs is #9, then #10 yell0w #11 me #12 epishade #13 amiko I might be mistaken though. | ||
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On April 29 2014 10:46 sqrtofneg1 wrote: It's early stages, let's just fool around. I am not particularly a fan of this post, and a lot of the subsequent posts by sqrt. I understand that this is day 1 and information is at an all time low, but encouraging fooling around and then continuing to do so after some legitimate discussion has begun rubs me the wrong way. I also read Epishade's comments as deflective and dismissive. Unlike Bunnies and like you Epishade I am not convinced that yell0w is scum at all, but you seem to want to say "it's a joke, move on". I disagree, I think bunnies is right to apply pressure and see a response. It seems strange to me that you seem to want to simply move on before legitimate response has been explored. | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:01 sqrtofneg1 wrote: There was no legitimate discussion prior to that post from my point of view. I thought that Eden was fooling around too. on page 11 you're still talking about a previous game. your response to yell0w's saying "I'm mafia" was "kill him", which wasn't substantiated in any way, which makes me think it was intended as a joke. that would be the "continuing to do so" portion of my post. | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:07 Epishade wrote: Sqrt screwed around a bunch at the start on the other newbie mafia games too, so that's not out of the ordinary for me. I think Bunny is pushing too hard for a comment made in jest. I may be wrong, and Yellow may be scum, but it seems to me that Bunny loaded that question against Yellow, and then when Yellow answered truthfully, that contradicted his comment he made before that was made in jest. I think Bunny could have just been aiming to paint Yellow in a potential scum-light, but then Yellow joked that "you caught me." Bunny decided to roll with it and vote for Yellow right then, as an easy way to get rid of someone quickly with the first lynch. Really? Because to me, it seemed like bunnies was looking for 1 of 3 things to happen: 1) yell0w to get hyper defensive (which didn't happen) 2) yell0w to counter with aggression (which didn't happen) 3) or someone to deflect for him (which did) I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure. For the most part I simply don't like how you seem to want to move on from what I think is the only real substantive thing happening right now. Not wanting more information and more reads and more reactions tends to be a scummy thing. | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote: Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response? You could at least get my name right D: And I can't really say cause I don't know you or your personality. You were asked a loaded question, and seemed intent on making a joke, so idk make a joke about contradicting yourself? | ||
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On April 29 2014 13:44 Epishade wrote: I guess we just had different interpretations of what he said, leading us to have different conclusions over how to handle it. I thought it was a clear joke and nothing more, but since you saw differently you attacked him. I didn't think the attack was warranted and that's when I got my initial scumread on you etc. I've posted my reasoning before. See, that makes sense to me; but what doesn't make sense to me about your reaction is that you wanted the entire convo to simply go away/end. Which is why I read you as deflecting off of yell0w. If what you're saying is true, and you had a different view of the situation that led you to a scum read on bunnies; then why didn't you push hard back on bunnies? To me you read less so as accusatory toward bunnies and moreso as let's stop talking about this. It also seemed to me at the time, that you were setting yourself up in a bit of the "I told you so" position if yell0w ended up being a mislynch, which I also didn't like. But you have come around a bit for me, the openness in your change of opinion bought you back some credit for me, but I am still now sold on you as town, especially if yell0w appears any more mafia than he currently does when he comes back and starts typing. | ||
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On April 29 2014 14:10 Epishade wrote: Also, just to be clear, is that a typo where you say "but I am still now sold on you as town,"? Did you mean to say "not" instead? yea it's a typo, shoulda been not. | ||
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On April 29 2014 11:29 27ninjabunnies wrote: We got em boys! And ladies? Lynch em!!! @Yell0w, seriously, you claim mafia, I lynch you in a heartbeat. Been in toooo many games where someone has claimed mafia, doesn't get lynched, and turns out to be mafia. ##VOTE: Yell0w On April 29 2014 12:19 Epishade wrote: Hmmm, I guess I just felt that Yellow was getting unjustly accused of being mafia. I didn't want people to bandwagon on him for making a simple joke throught Bunny's influence. But you've convinced me of Bunny's actions. I take back my scumread on her. I can see how they might have been justified, without anything else to go on right now. She was just digging for information. On April 29 2014 12:20 Yell0w wrote: Just before I leave, just one question for rikory, what would have been a better response from me? What was the ideal response? On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote: Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake. ##VOTE: Yell0w That is pretty much the most pertinent posts that are beyond 2 pages back in my opinion, you should be able to make your own determinations from them. On April 29 2014 12:10 27ninjabunnies wrote: The bolded part is exactly what I am trying to get at. It's his response, and others' responses to this. | ||
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tamburini: I don't understand the majority of the hate in regard to tamburini. He declared himself the lead of the town with his first post, which you don't have to agree with and I certainly don't; but it places spotlight on him. From that post forward in the entire game he will be under a microscope, so either he is that confident in his scum play or has nothing to hide. As of now, I have no reason to believe he has anything to hide. I personally believe that if he is scum trying to insert himself into the leadership role that he will run himself into the ground eventually. However, what I don't get is why everyone dislikes his reason for voting on yell0w. Personally, with my read on yell0w, I think tamburini is mistaking scum for just bad play; but I wouldn't be opposed to lynching yell0w. To me, tamburini's point is that town should be concerned primarily with locating and lynching scum, and yell0w's primary concern was appearing town. Appearing to be town is mafia's job, not town's. epishade: I have red flags all around epishade, and have for a while. I don't really like many of his reads at all, but before that happened he was deflecting hard for yell0w and trying to kill conversation. There are 22 pages in this thread and a lot of it is predicated on the conversation that epishade didn't want to even happen. As I said earlier, his posts read more genuine and open which buy back some of the scum feel, but my gut says otherwise. bunnies: I have a fairly neutral read on bunnies as of now, leaning town. She is pushing discussion along, which increases the volume of information available (the opposite of what epishade was trying to do before) and to me is a town thing to do. I think what bunnies is doing is useful for town, which gives me a town read; but I am simply wary of people getting behind her on a BW, which will put her back toward neutral a bit for me until there's more to go off of. yell0w: For me, yell0w reads odd for me. Almost as if the game started at 50mph and yell0w was still going 30mph. I think his joke response was neither here nor there for me, but I liked his conviction in defending it when pressured. Then he seemed to be overly concerned with perception and since then has given a lot of info that is piggybacking off of someone else, so he is moving back down my list. Wouldn't be opposed to a lynch. sqrt: I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:10 sqrtofneg1 wrote: Well, I'm willing to bet that scum team isn't bunnies + yellow or epishade + yellow. why couldn't it be epishade and yell0w? epishade was deflecting HARD for yell0w early on. | ||
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you don't think that there is even a possibility that epishade bailed from the sinking ship that is a mafia partner going down in flames? I am not saying it is a likelihood, but the fact that you don't even have that in your mind as a possibility concerns me. | ||
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On April 30 2014 05:35 27ninjabunnies wrote: So, you are putting me more neutral because of a BW lynch? I'm not trying to get a BW lynch going. A BW lynch didn't even happen. I unvoted, and then ttamburini, and now Eden, have voted on Yellow. So the idea of a BW lynch is irrelevant. Your reads, while have backing, are a bit odd to me, tbh. I'll need to hear fro you more. No, you misread that. I think that everything you're doing is very town thus far, but from my pov you have a lot of people putting their ducks in a row behind you very early on; which is something I am simply wary of. When the majority of people start agreeing on a lot of what 1 person says early on it either means that town is very right, or being helped down a bad path. So while I like what you are doing and am leaning town on you, I am simply wary. That is all. And what of my reads don't you like? We have the opposite opinion, from what I can tell, of what tamburini did. And I think it will take quite a lot to make me get over how hard epishade was deflecting and setting himself up in a contrarian position. | ||
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On April 30 2014 08:50 Yell0w wrote: So basically you're just saying the same things again? Okay, I answered everything there already in previous posts, except the last part, which players haven't been proactive or scumhunting. So here goes, in no specific orders: mysterymeat1, I don't think he did anything at all, yet seems present in the thread just lurking. ahswtini, basically just said he didn't like sarcasm because it caused confusion and said that he didn't suspect tamburini and was on the fence on sweetfrost, that's pretty much it, no suspicious read at all. I think dfs also hasn't said much, he did say tamburini was suspicious, don't quite remember if someone said it before though. And I disagree with the second part of your question. I am very confused by this. So you think that the people who are better lynch targets than you are a set of quiet people with very little justification? So you have nothing to really say at all about the couple of people who have walls of text in the thread? That is just odd to me. | ||
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On April 30 2014 09:17 Yell0w wrote: @ritoky No, I said there was better targets in people who haven't been proactive or scumhunting, since that was his only good argument, in my opinion. So when Eden asked what those better targets where, he was asking who I thought was less proactive and not scumhunting than me, of course he tried to make it seem like that wasn't his query, but it was. So I answered and said who I thought wasn't doing these things. So I'm saying these are the better lynch targets, if we're lynching people for not being proactive and scumhunting. They are not my biggest scum reads, because he wasn't asking for that. Okay well here you go then, I want you to convince me not to vote for you. Give me scum reads, give me some reason to vote for someone else. My stance on you is that I woke up today thinking "meh he is a little shady, but I am not sold" and throughout today I have gotten more sold. Further I think that lynching you provides me with more information in regard to Epishade who is my top scum read at the moment. | ||
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