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ahswtini
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ahswtini
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I am happy to lynch Yellow right here, these "joking" claims just cause chaos and confusion for us. His posts so far have been weak and he's not taking the game seriously. Will do some more reading and posting when I get the chance to at work. | ||
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On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote: Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened. 1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny. These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far. If you're jumping on board now, surely you have some questions of your own to ask him? Especially now that bunnies has cleared him, but you still think otherwise. Personally, I think "jokingly" claiming Mafia and sarcasm are awful town traits that we could do without. Worthy of a policy lynch? Probably not necessary with the amount of discussion being generated on this first day. But mtamburini, I gave you the pass because I didn't think Mafia would throw themselves into the spotlight immediately. Where's this leadership you promised us? | ||
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ahswtini
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On April 30 2014 04:25 Yell0w wrote: Also, unrelated, but that is actually something I wanted to talk about and forgot, I do think it's really important to act town if you're town, so other townies know you're town too, if no one believes you're town, they won't listen to you, won't lynch with you, it can lead to a mafia win just because the townies weren't being obvious townies so nobody trusted anybody. I'm going to agree with this, wanting to make a conscious effort to appear town is also indicative of a new town player who lacks confidence. So far, I've been struggling because I want to make posts to avoid getting fos'd as an inactive, but at the same time I don't want to be rehashing existing ideas. | ||
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ahswtini
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On April 30 2014 02:27 Amiko wrote: @ashwtini: We don't know how many mafia there are. In 13 player games, my guess would be 3 mafia, maybe also a serial killer. This is just based on knowing a popular 13-player setups is C9++ (http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9%2B%2B#Setup_Determination) typically has 3 mafia. There's no certainty, though, since our setup is different (there's no medic/doctor, for instance). 2 mafia seems too few, though, so I would say 3>4>2. We can make some better guesses after n1 - based on the number of kills it can indicate if there's a vigilante or serial killer. You haven't talked much in thread yet, so here's a few questions: - Any thoughts on sweetfrost at this point in the game? - What is your current position on yell0w? Also, do you feel joking is indicative of being scum? Why? Sorry I didn't catch this post. My thoughts on sweetfrost are completely on the fence. They've pretty much been gunning for yellow all game, which is justifiable in a way. I posted my position on yellow a few posts ago, but basically, I don't like the joking or sarcasm because it causes confusion and is really something town could do without. | ||
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ahswtini
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On April 30 2014 15:15 Epishade wrote: + Show Spoiler + Ok, so I've been looking through filters for a while now, and have come up with my likely scumteam candidates: Sweetfrost, Tamburini, and Ritoky. I'll give my reasoning. The main thing that I can see between these three is that all of them are pushing really hard for Yellow's lynch, but also clearing each other at the same time. Sweetfrost clears Ritoky as town and is trying to kill Yellow while attempting to discredit Bunny (and Sqrt) through these posts. On April 30 2014 05:43 Sweetfrost wrote: I can understand that it seems supicious that I don't want to voice an opinion on everyone in the game but since I'm not really sure what I think about the people I haven't talked about I feel it would be stupid to talk about them. I'm not going to give an state an opinion that I actually don't belive in. But I'm willing to say that I consider Ritoky cleared as town, I like his analysis and they don't seem supicious and he's not jumping on any bandwagons and instead making good independet analysis. I agree with him that sqrt posts are very numerous, short and prodding at people to make analysis all the time. I believe that it's a sign of sqrt being scum. So to sum it up. Cleared : ritoky Possible scum : Yellow/bunny and sqrt On April 30 2014 04:57 Sweetfrost wrote: Well as I stated I suspect Bunny being scum for his efforts of trying very hard to build up a positive relationship with everyone. See my previous posts. As for the rest I'm very unsure and still don't want to give a public opinion on anyone since it would just be misleading, I don't have an opinion on the rest yet. So the only thing I'm willing to say right now is that I don't trust Bunny and Yellow. Sweetfrost's plan was to undermine Bunny by saying that he thought she was trying too hard to play townie. I disagree and think Bunny was moving town in the right direction by engaging Yellow in that initial push. Ritoky has been slightly accusatory against Sqrt, which is in line with Sweetfrost's opinion on Sqrt as well, as shown in the post above. They are slowly building up support against Sqrt to lynch him at a later time it seems to me. On April 30 2014 05:26 ritoky wrote: sqrt:I don't know if it is a stylistic thing or what, but there's something weird here. Lots of prods, short comments, and question asking, not much in the way of legwork. Combine that with the lack of seriousness early on and it just strikes me as all very odd. I don't read him as projecting town in any way; whereas most other people I can read town aspects to what they do and say. My biggest problem with Ritoky though, is how quickly he changed his opinion on Yellow. He first decided that Yellow was likely not Scum when it seemed that pressure had been taken off Yellow. However, when Yellow was pressured again and started piggybacking off of what I said earlier, I think he saw an opportunity to bandwagon people against Yellow. On April 29 2014 12:14 ritoky wrote: I don't think yell0w is scum right now at all, he responded how he responded. It wasn't ideal, but he is sticking to his story saying it was a joke and I don't read him as hyper defensive about it. But you seem to be very pushy about this entire topic and very heavily deflecting for him. It could just be a legitimate read and belief that it is a joke, but you could also be mafia deflecting for another mafia or mafia trying to deflect/pocket a town who faced early pressure. ^Ritoky said this before Yellow got suspicion on him again. His wording here is what throws me off a bit. "I don't think Yellow is scum right now at all." He says this when pressure starts dropping off of yellow. Then, a little later on, Yellow is put back in the spotlight. Eden votes for Yellow, then Ritoky decides to join in by saying he isn't opposed to a lynch. I think he thought that, with other public support against Yellow outside of mafia, he'd be able to bandwagon against Yellow as the first lynch. On April 30 2014 13:15 ritoky wrote: @yellow: Regarding your opinion on mtamburini, it may just be a difference of opinion. But you were highly defensive and highly concerned with appearance. And I think it is very right that you are pressured heavily based on that fact. Regarding what you said about sqrt, I could not agree more with "he did seem to be trying to start conversations when there wasn't one, I just don't think he was doing anything when there was one". And in my mind he just did it again. He said there is nothing going on when you and I were clearly interacting. He just seems to be waiting for everyone else to play the game so that he can pick the winning side. Again, maybe it's a stylistic thing cuz basically nothing he says seems town to me so far, but I just can't find any reason to put him on the good side of the tracks Here is where he attempts to discredit Sqrt. Tamburini has been desperately trying to kill Yellow way too hard. On April 29 2014 12:43 mtamburini wrote: Bunnies I think we need to apply pressure back on YELLOW. How should I have responded? If your town you shouldnt care on how to appear more towny. This a classic rookie mafia mistake. ##VOTE: Yell0w I mentioned this before and I'll say it again. This sounds like a flimsy excuse to me to lynch someone. Obviously town SHOULD care that they appear townie. You want to try everything possible to stop from getting lynched. Acting town AS A TOWNIE is the best way to accomplish that. He even continues his assault below. On April 29 2014 12:52 mtamburini wrote: Fuck that shit no one is off the table today, I want this Yell0w person to die after everything thats happened. 1 Sarcasm 2 Asking how I can be more towny is not towny. These are 2 really good reasons to push harder on Yell0w. I liked bunnies initial push but wasnt ready to jump on board just yet, wanted Yell0w to talk some more and see what they had to say, and I did not like anything said so far. I believe Tamburini was trying to get Bunny back on Yellow's case so that she might rally other people in support against Yellow so that he and his group would be able to vote for Yellow with the majority of Town. On April 30 2014 01:16 mtamburini wrote: I like this fellow. Has not said much of anything but has picked up on something that no one else had really brought up (maybe not even thought about too) Can you give more details on yellow and/or anyone else? When dfs comes into the thread and says something against Sqrt, Tamburini says "I like this fellow" and basically nothing else. Once again, he's working one small step at a time to get support against Sqrt with his team. Then he asks dfs what he thinks about Yellow and/or anyone else. He doesn't just say "Can you give more details on anyone?" He makes sure to include Yellow outside of that 'anyone else' so that dfs would be more likely to respond specifically on Yellow. Then, if dfs thought that Yellow was scum, Tamburini would have even more support to lynch Yellow. ------------------------------ I believe that Eden had some good reads to come up with on Yellow (like that he wasn't actively scumhunting) that led to him arriving to vote at Yellow at his own discretion. I still wouldn't classify Eden as scum, but I do disagree with his vote. tldr: I think Tamburini, Ritoky, and Sweetfrost are all scum for a couple of factors. They all want to get rid of Yellow. They've shown distrust in me and Bunny, whom I would consider the most town player here so far. They have cleared each other at different times (Tamburini as an exception, hasn't cleared Ritoky and Sweetfrost, but has been cleared by them). And, they've all shown support against Sqrt as well, which I assume is to lynch him easier down the road. This is a great post. I have nothing insightful of my own to add to the analysis there. However, out of the three, I think mtamburini is the best lynch here. ritoky and sweetfrost's posts are better in that they talk about many different people, whereas mtamburini seems to be gunning straight for yell0w. Therefore it'll be handier to keep ritoky and sweetfrost around for longer as we can get more information out of them provided they continue their way of posting. ##Vote: mtamburini | ||
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ahswtini
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On April 30 2014 15:33 ritoky wrote: @Epishade: Before I really start typing in response, I have a simple question for you. You find a common thread to be that all of us don't like sqrt. What has sqrt done to make you think he is town? | ||
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ahswtini
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bunnies scum read on mtamburini pressed yellow town reads: epishade, yellow, amiko mafia reads: eden, mtamburini fence: sqrt, sweet, dfs, meat sweetfrost scum read on yellow scum read on bunnies town read: ritoky scum read on sqrt ritoky scum read on sqrt and epishade clears yellow defends tamburini neutral-town read on bunnies now reads yellow as odd mtamburini straight scum read on yellow agrees with dfs yell0w clears bunnies clears epishade scum read on eden no read on meat, ahswtini, dfs scum read on mamburini and sweetfrost epishade defends yellow but is suspicious scum read on sweetfrost and mtamburini clears amiko and bunny town read on eden neutral read on drav suspicious of meat town read on sqrt | ||
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ahswtini
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At the same time, given the setup, it's incredibly dangerous to claim fakeclaim vig, since it's likely that there is a vig, but highly unlikely for there to be two. If he really is the vig, he's screwed himself out of his night kill. On May 01 2014 06:53 mtamburini wrote: Gonna be completely honest, all this reading gives me a headache I dont read this much for school. And to be hoenst I prob wont finish and I will read later again,.Im tired and hungry and Im just gonna claim my role. Im Bird Jesus and Ive got a target to shoot tonight right now but I will finish reading to find more connections to this person and/or more behavior I may have missed from everyone else. I like tunneling its fun and you cant tell a lot about a person when you do so along with everyone else in the game. Im like 85% certain on this person and if I do mis shoot, well I will retract town leader position and stick my tail between my legs and sit in the corner and think about what I have done. This is the post in which he makes his claim. He says he has a headache, is tired and hungry, the entire post sounds like a rushed claim without much thought put into it. It's possible he didn't realise that the power of the vig role meant there was likely only one in the game. The majority of that post is also about how he's gonna shoot someone tonight, forgetting the roleblocker threat. At least the confidence there fits with his day one leadership post. Also, what do we do in the event that there's an 11th hour vig counterclaim, especially if they see that mtamburni is not going to get lynched? In such a case, we would have no choice but to lynch mtamburini and see how he flips. If he IS the SK, unfortunately our real vig is screwed a well. Hopefully we have a jailkeeper who can protect him, though it seems that the roleblocker can block the same person consecutively. | ||
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ahswtini
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This leaves me in a difficult spot because I really have no solid scum reads on anyone. | ||
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ahswtini
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I just don't like this feeling of accusing people in the beginning based off of some joke claim that he is mafia. Exept for tamburini, i just don't like the fact that imo, with soo little information that he was trying to pocket bunny that hard. Yet never mentioning what he would like to see or happen. This negative-only attitude reads to me as typical scum behaviour. On top of that, he's banned so he's not going to be useful for the next couple of days. Yes, it looks rather suspicious that my only case is against someone that can't defend themselves, but this is honestly the only thing that's standing out to me so far. I don't really follow the other arguments that are being thrown around in this thread. Since he's banned for the vote today, will his vote stay on mtamburini? | ||
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On May 01 2014 19:54 27ninjabunnies wrote: There is also a possibility that vig is nt claiming that way they can shoot tamburini at night without the chance of getting roleblocked, if tamburini's claim is false. That would be the strategy I would use if I wa actual vig, and tamburini was not. This is very true. Trying to think why a Town mtamburini would fakeclaim vig. Obviously first and foremost to save himself. But if he were a blue, he'd be dooming himself anyway. He might do it as a vanilla townie to save himself, but also to attract roleblocks/kills from scum. That's the only feasible scenario imo, and it wouldn't be a big loss to lose him to a vig who would be able to confirm themselves by killing him. | ||
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ahswtini
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On May 01 2014 19:44 ahswtini wrote: Ok I'm voting for mysterymeat, his posts so far have essentially been meaningless. A lot of one-liners, spam and dumb hashtags. What sticks out to me is how he always talks about what he doesn't like Yet never mentioning what he would like to see or happen. This negative-only attitude reads to me as typical scum behaviour. On top of that, he's banned so he's not going to be useful for the next couple of days. Yes, it looks rather suspicious that my only case is against someone that can't defend themselves, but this is honestly the only thing that's standing out to me so far. I don't really follow the other arguments that are being thrown around in this thread. Since he's banned for the vote today, will his vote stay on mtamburini? I just want to reiterate my suspicions of MysteryMeat1. Yes he's banned and can't defend himself. Yes he's said that he doesn't have much to say on day one and will be more active after the first night of kills. People seem to be letting his useless posts slide, yet I'm getting fingers pointed at me. I can see the case for sweetfrost, I have nothing of my own to add to that and so I don't want to just jump onto that vote. The votes ARE really dangerously spread out and it would be easy for the Mafia team to stack onto someone innocent to kill them. That said, if we forced their hand to vote in such a way, it could also make it easier to narrow down the list of suspects. | ||
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On May 02 2014 10:32 27ninjabunnies wrote: You are not answering my question. Unless you are vigi, you dont have a gun. So Im magically giving you one. Now, answer my question. Why are you so fixated on fantastical scenarios like people magically having guns? Are you trying to get a list of suspicious townies that would-be vigs would want to shoot, so the scum know who not to target tonight? | ||
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So: either the SK or Mafia got roleblocked, or the jailkeeper pulled off a save. It's possible the SK or Mafia withheld their shot (the wording of the SK role implies he can withhold the shot "Once per night you can release a player from the game."). If a town roleblocker did act last night, I would have asked them to come out to us, but the problem is, the jailkeeper could also have been the one blocking the kill. It's not possible to know which one was responsible and we can't ask both of them to come out. And of course there's the increasingly likely possibility that there is no SK in this game. That all aside, I really believe mtamburini is the vig. If he wasn't, the real vig should have shot him last night. Unless the real vig was roleblocked, but I don't see how Mafia would have access to such knowledge. There's no way any jailkeeper with a clue would have locked up mtamburini last night, so he certainly wasn't protected. Him getting roleblocked was to be expected - he's the only "confirmed" blue in the eyes of the Mafia. Then again there may be no vig in the game, and scum mtamburini lucked out with such a fakeclaim. In which case a big fuck you to the host  | ||
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You're putting your vote on me straight away? Ok, good to know where you stand. I'm waiting for day 2 improved posting that mysterymeat promised us, now that he's unbanned. | ||
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Jailkeeper -> bunnies Mafia RB -> mtamburini Town RB -> ??? It's possible that the town roleblocker is bunnies? There are also no hit notifications in this game, which means if the Mafia or SK targeted bunnies, the Jailer wouldn't know about it. This sucks because we really have little information to go by following the events of Night 1. If you were roleblocked, please come out and say it. | ||
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ahswtini
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I don't like his plays this game. Flipflopping between myself and Eden on day one, before switching and dropping the hammer on sweetfrost. Now he's back to pushing me for lynch. Scum sqrt knows for certain I'm innocent, and I'm an easy target to push because yes, I'm not very good at posting and making reads. Here's hoping he's the roleblocker and mtamburini gets to shoot tonight. | ||
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