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FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 13 2014 05:50 GMT
#88
/in
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 15 2014 20:18 GMT
#278
Hey guys, long time no see. Good to see some familiar faces.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 15 2014 20:35 GMT
#281
On April 16 2014 03:57 OmniEulogy wrote:
I'm not even tunneling you. If I thought you were scum I'd vote for you. Are you scummy to me? yes.

This entire conversation happened because Koshi was asking me questions about you though so the idea that I'm tunneling you because I'm answering Koshi's questions is pretty amusing. It's on page 12 by the way, not even that long ago.

So far you've made an association case and then asked everybody else for something you failed to answer yourself because you've only played one game. Oh and blatantly lied about your town meta in that same post and proceeded to answer that accusation from OTW by telling him to read a book...

You just don't strike me as doing anything beneficial for any reason for town right now.
Koshi seems lost in half his questions/posts.
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On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


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On April 15 2014 21:35 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 21:28 kushm4sta wrote:
K I read the newest stuff.
Inb4 getript tries to ban skanjab.

Also Kochi you are talking alot without content. Does that not mean you are scum by your own self meta?

No. I don't self meta. I don't know where you read me self metaing.
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On April 15 2014 21:29 kushm4sta wrote:
Koshi, true or false?
Skans claim almost never is coming from scum.

I don't care. It is probably unlikely but there was so much wrong with that post. I want to know why he made it in 24 hours.


^ scumhunting so hard he ignores likely town behavior and calls him scum. I can really feel how much you care about who is scum and who is town Koshi.
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On April 15 2014 18:07 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 18:04 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:03 Koshi wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote:
yo man I'm all about that nova war random tangent video, how can you not enjoy this flavor. Also no, I'm not really concerned if Koshi is town right now. Town objective is not to find other townies it's to find scum. Finding townies is just a bi-product of catching the scum or do you spend all your time trying to identify town in mafia and I've been learning to do things backwards?

Are you scumslipping I am town or am I not reading this propperly?


not reading it properly.

All right then. I prefer to work with PoE. If I can find obvious town I am as happy as when I find possible mafia.

especially after that. Ignore signs to go to the much less likely option to call somebody scum.
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On April 15 2014 20:19 Koshi wrote:
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On April 15 2014 20:15 Skanjab1s wrote:
On April 15 2014 19:56 Koshi wrote:
You don't think he is scum?


No, I don't, he's a townie through and through. Do you think he's scum?

I see no reason to think he is town.


so happy you make your reasons known so you can go after other people. And yeah there's no reason to think anybody is town with their first 4~ posts as the game started. I thank you for your knowledge.

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On April 16 2014 03:26 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2014 03:16 OmniEulogy wrote:
On April 16 2014 03:09 Koshi wrote:
I don't understand.
The guy has literally 0 scumgames.

And you blame him for playing the newbie card on how many scumgames he played.


No, I blame him for playing it period.


Also
On April 16 2014 01:38 Koshi wrote:
You must have missed his pretty hard "I played 1 game and caught all scum" post then.

The irky feeling was the soft newbie claim?


you say it yourself. Somehow you missed it while you were typing it I guess. It has nothing to do with his amount of scum games he's played. Could be one now and it wouldn't stop him from saying he's never played as scum before.

You blame him for playing it when it suits him, a big difference. It didn't suit him at all. What is the scum motivation saying he only played 1 game before so he couldn't self meta?

And it was super casual. He dropped it because the subject about self meta was in the thread. He didn't gained anything.

Anyway, my vote is on the right person.



Scum motivation is not having to talk about how they are going to play this very game. Especially after he's already completely off the town play he said he has in that very same post. How do you not get that?

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On April 15 2014 23:31 OmniEulogy wrote:
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On April 15 2014 22:38 Djagulingu wrote:
On April 15 2014 21:42 OneThousandWords wrote:
Djagulingu, you describe your town play as:

My town play is really stalk heavy. I watch all of you. All of you, when you post, when you sleep, when you work, when you eat. I might come out of nowhere with random people to lynch for random reasons. They did come out true though.

I would define my town play as systematic instead of impulsive, I don't care about collateral damage, sharp and decisive over overly cautious.


In this game you have already called 2 people scum for supposed scum slips. Am I to assume that you have now 180° on your own meta so quickly? This doesn't look very systematic to me, it looks like the complete opposite. You jump on people and call them scum without much basis and state that you are helping the town by making a pro-town atmosphere of sophisticated discussion when, instead, you are steering people in a very specific direction on a point of view that seems entirely skewed on pushing an agenda.

You would understand if you have read Hunter Book: Wayward. But I like your sharpness. You're like Peleus in that book. This is how God45 defines Peleus:

And so I found him. The prodigal problem child. Alleyman. Peleus.

The sniper was a little resitant to my ideas. That's understandable. I was actually pleased that he didn't take to them so quickly. Enlightenment shouldn't come immediately. It took me a long time to discover the truth. We can't all be Paul on the road to Damascus.

He had the methods down. He's messy and he leaves too much of himself behind, but he's efficient. His numbers are great. And I appreciate his attitude toward others of our kind. He won't tolerate their whiny, backstabbing bullshit. Their opinions are threefold- they can help, they can get out of the way or they try to find their way out of a body bag. He doesn't know the words for it yet, but somewhere in there he knows that if you're not curing the cancer, you are the cancer. There's no in between.


unless you are roleplaying as somebody in your book I fail to see how it changes what he said and how this answers none of it =/

My previous mention of it Koshi and OTW's post which Djag completely blows off by telling OTW if he had read the book he'd get it.


sorry kush <3 I feel that last point is pretty important though.

This is quite a disproportionate reaction to Koshi's questions. Omni seems to be overly defensive to prevent the handful of votes on him from gaining traction. The threat is minimal, but Omni seems to exaggerate it out of fear.

Also, throughout the entire thread so far, he seems to be more concerned with pushing attention away from himself and onto people who ask him questions. I don't see active scumhunting, I see "don't lynch me, bro".

I still can't understand why he finds Koshi scummy but doesn't want to vote for him. Makes absolutely no sense.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 15 2014 20:37 GMT
#282
On April 16 2014 05:34 Koshi wrote:
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On April 16 2014 05:18 FirmTofu wrote:
Hey guys, long time no see. Good to see some familiar faces.

FirmTofu. Long time no see.
Please be active Firmtofu from like Titanic 1 and those days.

Will do.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 15 2014 20:38 GMT
#285
On April 16 2014 05:37 Koshi wrote:
FT how do you read Djagulingu ?

I'm making a post on skabjab first, but I'll get to Djagulingu afterwards.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 15 2014 20:56 GMT
#288
On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.

Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival.

I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine.

All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target.

So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 15 2014 21:09 GMT
#289
Djagulingu is fairly unimpressive. His activity is commendable, but altogether useless. Most of his posts are one-liners that seek to aggravate or provoke. I see a lot of unsubstantiated accusations in his filter. He's running around trying to piss everyone off all at once without any attempt at substantive discussion. His focus on his own meta is especially interesting and reflective of an egotistical personality. For that reason, I believe his aggressive behavior in thread so far is due to a heightened sense of superiority rather than something alignment-indicative. That is to say, he'd be acting like a douche whether he was mafia or town.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 04:48 GMT
#298
On April 16 2014 12:56 Cavalinho wrote:
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On April 16 2014 06:09 FirmTofu wrote:
Djagulingu is fairly unimpressive. His activity is commendable, but altogether useless. Most of his posts are one-liners that seek to aggravate or provoke. I see a lot of unsubstantiated accusations in his filter. He's running around trying to piss everyone off all at once without any attempt at substantive discussion. His focus on his own meta is especially interesting and reflective of an egotistical personality. For that reason, I believe his aggressive behavior in thread so far is due to a heightened sense of superiority rather than something alignment-indicative. That is to say, he'd be acting like a douche whether he was mafia or town.


Why did you make this post? It's nothing more than a wall-of-text with no real meat in it that reaches no definitive conclusion.

Because Koshi wanted me to give my thoughts on him? I wouldn't have mentioned him otherwise.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 18:59 GMT
#506
On April 16 2014 18:52 Skanjab1s wrote:
Rejoice, I have woken up to so many pages, I'm gonna go through them and respond to everything.
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On April 16 2014 03:56 ObviousOne wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.

This is tweek right?

Yes!
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On April 16 2014 05:56 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 15 2014 18:56 Skanjab1s wrote:
Hey guys, I'm the Vig. I've only got 3 days to play this game, so claiming now is the best option. I will use my 1 shot tonight on whoever i deem worthy of it. So far, that person is OO, for insulting my honor.

Skanjab has said little of value, but his roleclaim is an important milestone in this game. Firstly, I think his roleclaim is genuine. Mafia claiming this early is an insane risk. The potential benefits of claiming vig as mafia are far outweighed by the cost of losing 1/3 of their team. From what I know of skanjab, he's not the type of player to take huge risks like this as mafia, where other people are directly dependent on his survival.

I'm going to take this claim at face value and assume for the time being that it is genuine.

All that being said, I think this vig claim is a terrible play from Skanjab. Not only did he claim to be one of a handful of blue roles we have, he also wants to shoot immediately and has already stated a potential target.

So, @Skanjab: Please keep your intended target to yourself. Why did you think claiming was a good idea? How do you intend to proceed throughout the day? We need to hear more from you and you need to start actively scumhunting so you can choose the best possible target.



I will keep my target to myself, don't worry. I'm going to carry on scumhunting (more actively as of now) and just proceed as usual. I always find the beginnings of days hard to actually contribute to, now that we've got lots of pages of stuff I'll be better.

FirmTofu, just out of curiosity, do you play on omgus? How many games have you played with me?

No, I've never played with you on omgus. It's good that you're back. Gonna finish catching up now.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:03 GMT
#508
Just a quick point as I'm finishing up the last few pages. mderg is lynchbait. He has one post, he's a lurker, he has done absolutely nothing.

He's an excellent vig shot, but probably not the best lynch.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:32 GMT
#517
I don't like Koshi's insistence on pushing kush. Kush has a decent past few pages and his pressure of Cavalinho seems genuine.

Although Kush brings up some good points on Cavalinho, I'm not entirely convinced. Cavalinho looks like he doesn't understand that people sometimes give out null reads in order to promote discussion on a player. Fundamentally, he doesn't understand the purpose of my post: to explain to Koshi why Dja was not the appropriate use of our time in the thread.

@kush+Koshi Tell me what you think of OmniEulogy so far. I'm curious to hear your thoughts.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:43 GMT
#520
On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:
Thrawn's main contributions this game:

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On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

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On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

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On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



##Vote Thrawn2112

I'll address your points in order.
A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty?

In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:49 GMT
#523
On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:

Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)

Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg

Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile

Good to see you Vivax. I agree with your town reads, to an extent, but you're wrong about me. Regardless, while you're hear I'd like to hear your thoughts on Omni and OTW. Why do you find them scummy? I'd like to see where we agree in this department.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:50 GMT
#524
On April 17 2014 04:47 OneThousandWords wrote:
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On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:
Thrawn's main contributions this game:

On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

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On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



##Vote Thrawn2112

I'll address your points in order.
A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty?

In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it.


This post is a fruitless attempt to discredit the substance of the original post. I had already brought up mderg's post having no conclusions previously in the thread and so when someone returns to the thread after having ONLY responded with one or two word jokes before and their only contribution is something that I had already mentioned then what benefit have they brought to the table? What extra information is provided. None whatsoever. You answer points A, B and C with points that have no relevance without the context of the rest of the post.

There is no context of the rest of the post. I've read the entire thing and none of it makes any sense to me. Feel free to explain if you can.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:50 GMT
#526
On April 17 2014 04:49 FirmTofu wrote:
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On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:

Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)

Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg

Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile

Good to see you Vivax. I agree with your town reads, to an extent, but you're wrong about me. Regardless, while you're hear I'd like to hear your thoughts on Omni and OTW. Why do you find them scummy? I'd like to see where we agree in this department.

EBWOP: while you're here*
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:52 GMT
#527
On April 17 2014 04:50 OneThousandWords wrote:
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On April 17 2014 04:45 Vivax wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:41 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:39 Vivax wrote:
Current status of reads. Reasoning pending, but ask me about a specific one if you want me to explain it first:

Townies: Koshi, Djagu, Cava, thrawn, (~Kush fwiw)

Today's lynch candidates (by PoE and cause there is some stuff I don't like): FT, Omni, OTW, OO, mderg

Also HI GUYS =D . Rejoice that you got me and not that crazy grush fac-simile


Can you elaborate on these....?


Any preferences? Which ones you disagree with? Why so unspecific?


Why do I have to be specific? You replaced a player who has said nothing but spam in the thread so I'd like to know why you think what you do so I can see if what you think aligns with what has happened so far, rather than it being a random list of names with no factual basis.

Why so defensive OTW? He just asked you to pick one or two people for him to elaborate on.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 19:55 GMT
#531
On April 17 2014 04:54 OneThousandWords wrote:
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On April 17 2014 04:50 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:47 OneThousandWords wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
On April 17 2014 04:25 OneThousandWords wrote:
Thrawn's main contributions this game:

On April 16 2014 15:52 thrawn2112 wrote:
lets lynch mderg

On April 16 2014 16:20 thrawn2112 wrote:
No. He made a huge post that doesn't contribute anything. He didn't say a single thing that is relevant to the lynch. It's even worse than no scumreads, there are no reads of any kind. He argued his points without giving any indication that he was forming reads based off of the things he was arguing against.



This is his first contribution into the thread other than the non-sensical replies to longer posts earlier in his filter and it's just piggybacking off a post that I made earlier in the thread here. This is a relatively easy thing to do as mafia because:

A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

Now, on it's own I know this is not enough, however, thrawn's behaviour is not your typical town behaviour! He flits from one lynch to the next with little explanation. He practically wants to lynch half the game!

I've mentioned Mderg before.

Here he wants to lynch Kush. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 17:53 thrawn2112 wrote:
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On April 16 2014 17:36 Koshi wrote:
I am pretty meh on Kush atm.
Very meh.


same for me. becasue of this post

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On April 16 2014 04:48 kushm4sta wrote:
T-5 hours until you both realize each other are town (regardless of if you are or not)



He wants to lynch ME which is somewhat of a kick in the teeth seeing as he is the one that is sheeping MY point of view on mderg. What could be the reason for this? Is he not reading what i've written? Nope. It's something about skan and nothing about the actual player that he got his read from. + Show Spoiler +
On April 16 2014 19:26 thrawn2112 wrote:
100words is probably my 2nd lynch choice. i almost voted for him instead of that other guy. what stood out to me is how his main talking point was skan's claim and how pointless it was to talk about the claim yet he did nothing but talk about the claim

koshi i'll fully read and respond to that meta when i wake up. too tired/tipsy for that right now. but i did skim one of the links and I notice that he likes to argue about stuff without thinking about alignments. so my preliminary answer to you question is yes, the meta does sorta make me uncertain about lnyching him.



He wants to policy lynch an AFK player who is talking about nonsense (Alakaslam).

He wants to also look into OE who he also says is scummy before even looking into him. This is not what I expect a typical person to do. Usually it's:

I'll look into a player ----> Here is why he is scummy.

Thrawn's view is.

This is a somewhat scummy player ----> Going to go look into him after I've already made my decision about whether he is scummy or not!


In conclusion thrawn is a person who, while talking a lot, seems to be a person of fleeting wishes. He is keen to hop onto anyone he can push a lynch onto. He hasn't "read the thread" and pushes others reads as his own. He calls the person he got his case for on his vote choice scum based on early conversation in a time where nothing was happening.



##Vote Thrawn2112

I'll address your points in order.
A) It lets people appear to be contributing.

Yes, what thrawn did was a good way to appear like he was contributing. However, everything he said in that quote was absolutely true. mderg's post was useless and served no purpose. I wouldn't hold this point against thrawn.

B) If worded differently but similar it enables people to pocket the other people that made the original case because they have seemingly similar reads.

IF? Why are you speaking in hypotheticals? It wasn't worded differently, so why are you bringing up a scenario in which it would be? This is an exercise in pointlessness.

C) To the people that didn't read it they are fooled into believing it is original content.

What does this have to do with anything? If other people didn't read it, how does it make thrawn look more guilty?

In sum, your case is awful and you look far worse for having made it.


This post is a fruitless attempt to discredit the substance of the original post. I had already brought up mderg's post having no conclusions previously in the thread and so when someone returns to the thread after having ONLY responded with one or two word jokes before and their only contribution is something that I had already mentioned then what benefit have they brought to the table? What extra information is provided. None whatsoever. You answer points A, B and C with points that have no relevance without the context of the rest of the post.

There is no context of the rest of the post. I've read the entire thing and none of it makes any sense to me. Feel free to explain if you can.

A mafia's objective is to blend into town and the best way to do that is contribute. When you are mafia it is harder to contribute because psychologically you know all the alignments and it becomes harder to point out things that are scummy. That is why it is a standard mafia tactic to mimic what other people have said previously in the thread. This feigns contribution and makes themselves look good because people seemingly forget what other people had said previously.

Thrawn does this with me and mderg. I write about mderg's first post having no conclusions and he mimics it but the caveat is that he calls me scum without actually referencing my contributions, in fact, he ignores them entirely.

Furthermore, everytime someone knew is brought up he calls them scummy eving going so far as to call someone scummy before reading them!

hmm, alright. I'll look into that real quick and get back to you.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 20:04 GMT
#537
@OTW
Okay, so thrawn is repeating a lot of things previously stated in thread. This is a valid point. However, I don't see this as necessarily scummy. Town players repeat points too and this is a perfectly valid one to reiterate. You'll need better points to convince me thrawn is scum.

Also, your recent responses to Vivax and I are not helping your case.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 20:06 GMT
#539
Leaving my vote here. I'll be gone for a while.
##vote: OneThousandWords
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
April 16 2014 20:12 GMT
#542
On April 17 2014 05:09 OmniEulogy wrote:
FT I'm pretty sure everybody in this game should know how Koshi and Kush feel about me at this point. Koshi and I have like two pages of this game entirely focused on conversations between ourselves which started and ended in him calling me scum and Kush has said he thinks im town in like three different posts.

This comes off as a useless question to me that anybody in this game should be able to answer.

Current thoughts are not always identical to past thoughts.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
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