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WCS AM - Ro32 Group E Preview (Season 1)

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WCS AM - Ro32 Group E Preview (Season 1)

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
March 4th, 2014 18:51 GMT
2013 GSL Season 2

WCS America 2014
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Ro32: Group E Preview

by DarkLordOlli

Past the halfway mark in WCS America, the race distribution of players qualified for the Ro16 is looking as even as could be.

Protoss (3): Alicia, Oz, Arthur
Terran (2): Heart, Bomber
Zerg (3): TooDming, HyuN, Revival

However, Protoss are likely to pull ahead with three of them going up against a single Zerg in Group E of the Ro32.

After we saw tournament favorite Jaedong fall out in last place thanks to impressive TvZ from Bomber and very 'graphic' PvZ from Has, the remaining big names have been put on alert. Players who on paper don't seem like tournament contenders have upset big names in WCS America: Toodming took out Scarlett, Has eliminated Jaedong, and Arthur topping his group by scoring an upset against Bomber.

Now, all this considered, favorites are still favorites, and there is no bigger favorite than (P)Liquid`HerO to win this group. Ever since joining the Incredible Miracle team house his play has massively improved, and he's catapulted out of a mini-slump in the second half of 2013. He comes in with solid (though infrequent) performances in Proleague, a second place finish in the online Warer Invitational, and a championship trophy from IEM Cologne. All of HerO's recent achievements have come on the back of wins over top tier players in the world.

The only series HerO dropped at IEM was against Rain, but looking closely at the games it's hard to attribute the losses to weak PvP. HerO put up a great fight after falling behind in game 1 to almost win the game and fell victim to a brilliant mindgame by his opponent in the second. HerO's PvPs should feature mostly standard, refined and flexible builds. The trick for anyone in this group to beat him might be to turn on heavy aggression and taking big risks to gain advantages. Otherwise HerO is currently looking too solid to be broken down.

His first opponent in this group will be Chinese Protoss (P)Top, representing team Zenith of Origin. Top has been around in WCS America ever since its inception but has yet to make it past the Ro32 of Premier League. He does happen to be a consistently good player, having qualified for Premier League in three straight seasons. This season he made it by defeating viOLet, improvising a nexus cancel into a twenty minute all-in strategy to take the final game. That type of strategy is exactly what he needs to bring to the table tonight as well. If he manages to get HerO as confused as viOLet, there may be hope for him.

Jokes aside, Top's PvP record against fellow Chinese Protoss players like MacSed and Jim is not bad and his most recent match against Xigua went in his favor as well. The best Chinese and Taiwanese players deviate a lot from the established metagame and it's proven to be effective already this season. HerO and HuK are both more oriented towards the Korean metagame - which, let's be honest, is the most refined - so they have to keep a close watch on any craziness that might be thrown their way by Top.

Canada's #1 Protoss (P)EG.HuK has been playing quite well as of late, but he's attracted more attention for his blog in defense of Protoss than his play. HuK addressed Has' controversial cannon rush against Jaedong as well as ever prominent PvT issues and the new balance changes. Perhaps most importantly for this group, he talked about the MSC vision change and explained a few implications it has for PvP and PvZ. Most PvP builds are refined in such a way that offer a built in MSC scout in time to react to any tech choice your opponent opens with. With the mothership core vision now severely decreased, scouting becomes infinitely harder in PvP. As a player who is no stranger to taking risks, and one who played SC2 in far more coin-flippy eras, it will be interesting to see how HuK has adjusted.

First however the EG Protoss has to get past iG's (Z)XiGua who made it to Premier League by upsetting Tassadar who had been on a tear through the North American ladder prior to the event. HuK's PvZ of the past revolved a lot around 2-base all ins, preferably with as many gateways as possible. More recently he's adapted a more standard playstyle in all matchups... Xigua however is a Chinese Zerg who may not be aware of HuK's reputation, a circumstance that the Canadian might considering exploiting.

In general, Xigua will be the recipient of whatever cruel things the three Protoss players come up with. He's been around for an eternity and was one of the first Chinese players to participate in international tournaments. He never stood out as a Zerg prodigy but I'd also be hard pressed to recall seeing Xigua showing terrible performances. He's fond of early aggression in all matchups, a philosophy that many good-but-not-great Zergs fall back on. Against Protoss it seems to work out best for him as his vP is currently ranked highest out of his three matchups. The Chinese scene is well saturated with strong Protoss players, two of which (Jim and MacSed) are Xigua's teammates. The things he sees in practice may be beyond our scariest nightmares but at least they make Xigua a stronger player and should give him a good idea of how to defend against the crazy 2-base options that the Chinese Protoss players (and many, many others) seem to be so fond of. I have a feeling that he will need to remember that lesson multiple times.

Predictions: Everybody needs to scout like crazy, HerO wins.

HerO > Top
Xigua < HuK
HerO > HuK
Top > Xigua
HuK > Top

HerO and HuK advance.

Writers: DarkLordOlli
Photos:R1CH
Editor: Waxangel
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NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
March 04 2014 19:02 GMT
#2
HerO goes through for sure. As much as I want HuK to make it out of his group, it is uncertain how well he will play in PvZ
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Gemini_19
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1240 Posts
March 04 2014 19:10 GMT
#3
As biased as always Olli.

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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 04 2014 19:36 GMT
#4
HerO 4-0 pls
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KaiserCommander
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico290 Posts
March 04 2014 19:51 GMT
#5
Of course HerO will prevail, Huk is not doing THAT well since a lot of time, but I think he can do nice things in this group.
Jinro, Polt, Bomber, ForGG, MajOr, Flash, Maru. Terran Fighting...
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
March 04 2014 19:58 GMT
#6
you seem to forget tha Xigua is a god
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 04 2014 20:02 GMT
#7
HerO > Top
Xigua > HuK
HerO < Xigua
Top > Huk
HerO > Top
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
KaiserCommander
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico290 Posts
March 04 2014 20:03 GMT
#8
On March 05 2014 04:58 Paljas wrote:
you seem to forget tha Xigua is a god


There is always a god slayer in each group. Huk is that kind of bastard.
Jinro, Polt, Bomber, ForGG, MajOr, Flash, Maru. Terran Fighting...
Obender99
Profile Joined September 2012
United States31 Posts
March 04 2014 20:29 GMT
#9
Hero should make it through, but i predict that he takes his opponents too lightly and gets 2nd place.
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
March 04 2014 20:56 GMT
#10
Can't believe they still allow you to write preview articles with HerO involved, Olli
Kon-Tiki
Profile Joined February 2011
United States402 Posts
March 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#11
On March 05 2014 05:56 Serinox wrote:
Can't believe they still allow you to write preview articles with HerO involved, Olli


Is there some joke about Olli being crazy biased that I'm not aware of? It didn't seem that bad to me. Hero is the fan favorite here, so it is natural that he'd get to most attention here... Huk isn't on top of the world at the moment, and the other two are more obscure.
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
March 04 2014 21:43 GMT
#12
On March 05 2014 06:43 Kon-Tiki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 05:56 Serinox wrote:
Can't believe they still allow you to write preview articles with HerO involved, Olli


Is there some joke about Olli being crazy biased that I'm not aware of? It didn't seem that bad to me. Hero is the fan favorite here, so it is natural that he'd get to most attention here... Huk isn't on top of the world at the moment, and the other two are more obscure.

Olli is crazy biased towards HerO but this time it is justified
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
March 04 2014 21:46 GMT
#13
On March 05 2014 06:43 Kon-Tiki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 05:56 Serinox wrote:
Can't believe they still allow you to write preview articles with HerO involved, Olli


Is there some joke about Olli being crazy biased that I'm not aware of? It didn't seem that bad to me. Hero is the fan favorite here, so it is natural that he'd get to most attention here... Huk isn't on top of the world at the moment, and the other two are more obscure.


I'm pretty vocal about the HerO bias :D
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YourGoodFriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2197 Posts
March 04 2014 22:13 GMT
#14
On March 05 2014 06:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2014 06:43 Kon-Tiki wrote:
On March 05 2014 05:56 Serinox wrote:
Can't believe they still allow you to write preview articles with HerO involved, Olli


Is there some joke about Olli being crazy biased that I'm not aware of? It didn't seem that bad to me. Hero is the fan favorite here, so it is natural that he'd get to most attention here... Huk isn't on top of the world at the moment, and the other two are more obscure.


I'm pretty vocal about the HerO bias :D


HERO!!!! and what is wrong about being biased for HerO? I see no problem and think Olli should always be the one to write preview's that deal with HerO **nods head**
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MysterySC
Profile Joined October 2012
Andorra109 Posts
March 04 2014 23:34 GMT
#15
Huk <3 please Canada FTW!
<3 Hyvaa
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
March 04 2014 23:51 GMT
#16
Really really want huk to do well!
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Gofarman
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada645 Posts
March 05 2014 01:32 GMT
#17
GRATZ my boi
ysjayc
Profile Joined December 2010
China70 Posts
March 05 2014 02:07 GMT
#18
Do you guys know what does xigua mean?
mikumegurine
Profile Joined May 2013
Canada3145 Posts
March 05 2014 02:12 GMT
#19
Watermelon

Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam mentioned it before
ysjayc
Profile Joined December 2010
China70 Posts
March 05 2014 03:04 GMT
#20
On March 05 2014 11:12 mikumegurine wrote:
Watermelon

Mr.Bitter and Rotterdam mentioned it before




yahhhh congrats to xigua
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