EPTI'm a cop you idiot mafia 2
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Blazinghand
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Blazinghand
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On February 26 2014 06:00 Xatalos wrote: Let's see... Victory Odds Town Victory Odds: 54.05% Mafia Victory Odds: 45.95% Fastest Victory Town: D2 Mafia: D2 Seems pretty good, considering some townie will probably get modkilled anyways... nobody's going to be modkilled, and if you are calculating it based on random lynching that's like 100% wrong anyways. don't assume nobody will claim cop n0. Don't assume there will be exactly 1 cop claim either | ||
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Blazinghand
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True, but we're talking about how fast can mafia possibly win | ||
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On February 26 2014 06:35 Xatalos wrote: Wait, can't town just pretty easily claim Cop -> heal -> no-lynch until a redcheck? Mafia pretty much has to fakeclaim? read the first game. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 26 2014 06:37 Sn0_Man wrote: Aight somebody drop one of those linky thingies so that I can read the first game TL surch too hard http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/search.php?q=cop idiot mafia | ||
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Blazinghand
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Also, no demanding who the cop should check. The cop will figure out who he will check. We don't want scum shooting who the cop checks. Obviously we should DISCUSS, but not demand. (ie I won't believe your claim unless you checked X) We probably SHOULD discuss conditions for the cop claiming D1. We should all come to a consensus about this BEFORE D1. This is because if 6 of us are like "yeah the cop should claim D1" and one of us is like "no he shouldn't" then when there's no cop claim D1 it's obvious that the 7th guy is the cop. In my opinion, by the end of the night we should all SAY that we agree (even if as the cop we wouldn't) with a specific policy of the cop claiming or not claiming because we don't want to give scum hints about who the cop is if we're at N1 and there's no claim yet. I personally think the cop should claim D1 though so that the doc can just save him N1. It forces scum to CC (or pre-emptive CC or whatever) which gives us a good position. If there's only one cop claim D1, we take him as confirmed town for the day and follow his lead. Obviously, this means that if you're the cop, you sure as hell better claim cop D1, or else the only cop claim will be scum. Also nobody claim the doctor ._. this should be clear Remember, whoever you are cop DO NOT CLAIM N0 Also Marv you are such a chucklehead | ||
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On February 27 2014 07:01 Sn0_Man wrote: How'd BH roll scum twice in a row in this setup? Well given that 2/7 players are scum it's not that unlikely for a player to roll scum twice in a row, but also I didn't roll scum, I started writing that when Palmar started ticking down the time becuase we have some real chuckleheads in this crowd and I need to make sure nobody does something colossally stupid actually yeah let me add to this: don't fakeclaim doctor or cop if you are not the doctor or cop. This will only go poorly. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 27 2014 07:03 Xatalos wrote: There's also a high chance that Mafia might hit Cop or Doctor at the deadline. But if not, it seems like Cop should claim D1. I don't really see downside to that. There's also the fact that like 100% of the time a mafia will fakeclaim Cop during D1 so we really really need the real cop to claim so that we don't just go around being terrible | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 27 2014 07:05 JarJarDrinks wrote: If VT dies N0: - Cop should claim elseif Doc dies N0: - Cop should claim ONLY if he has a redcheck elseif Cop dies N0: - Maybe Doc should claim. Gonna give this some more thought If a VT dies N0 the cop should claim if he thinks it's a good idea. I'd say if he has a greencheck on the dead VT, then he shouldn't claim unless scum is fakeclaiming, because otherwise why bother right if the doc dies n0 the cop should claim only if he has a redcheck or if his greencheck/claim will save him or his target from death, or if scum fakeclaims, which scum definitely will. the doc shouldn't claim imo | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 27 2014 07:06 Sn0_Man wrote: If I was the medic, and the doc claimed (obviously post n0), I'd probably not protect the doc since scum literally can't shoot the doc. Food for thought/wifom. I'm also not actually sold on the doc claiming since all it does is pull out a counterclaim from scum. Which would rock if we weren't at lylo. If the doc does claim though, I believe we no-lynch in order to abuse doc checks correct? ...cop? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 27 2014 07:06 Xatalos wrote: Why should Doc claim in any situation...? JJD actually probably isn't scum, because scum would know that Doc wouldn't ever claim cause that wouldn't really do anything to hurt scum. Scum would be aware of what tactics blues can use on them because scum has been hanging out chatting for a day now about the setup and claims. Unless JJD is doing a really good job of playing dumb, or he actually is dumb (he isn't), he's town. He clearly hasn't thought this true which is, (sigh), a townie trait. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 27 2014 07:13 Xatalos wrote: Yeah, I have a hard time seeing such a blunder from scum. Too stupid to be scum prevails. Really what it comes down to is that even if JJD were the kind of guy to not think of this thing as scum, he also has a partner and he's been discussing with his partner for almost 24 hours. Scum NEEDS to fakeclaim in this setup. Whoever our 2 scummers are, they've been thinking about fakeclaiming for almost a day now; how to claim, when to claim, who will counterclaim, and what to claim. They know that Doctor shouldn't just claim willy-nilly. The only situations where that makes sense (ie doctor saves someone N1 and it's D2 and he wants to claim it or something) don't apply during D1 when the claims happen. JJD as scum would have thought this through. He would be trying to amass towncred by making good suggestions, and talking about "maybe the doc should claim if the cop dies n0" really makes no sense. Scum wouldn't even consider it as a threat to deal with. It's mostly not about "too stupid to be scum" which is false (since a stupid player can of course roll scum) but that scum in this setup almost necessarily already know everything about claiming, and JJD clearly does not. He couldn't have known I'd latch onto this and call him town for it; in fact, an ineffective statement like that is more likely to draw fire than praise, so as scum he'd try to only make true statements rather than things that don't make sense. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 27 2014 07:14 JarJarDrinks wrote: Well we'll be @ mylo. So I think cop claims. Then after the inevitable counter we vote no-lynch. Then @ night we can all vote on 1 player for both cops to check (and for the doctor to heal). This does 1 of several things: - If they both say scum then no prob, we lynch scum - If they both say town then we have a confirmed town that we'll never lynch. And it's gonna be someone that people are likely suspicious of - If they disagree and the person is scum, the real cop now knows the whole scumteam - If they disagree and the person is town, that person now knows which cop is legit The scumteam just shoots the real cop in this situation. The fake cop is just very quiet and doesn't say anything as he gets lynched D2. Then the last scum goes into 2-1 LYLO and fakeclaims doctor (or doesn't) and either way has a 50% chance of winning. This might sound silly but I'm just pointing out your plan isn't foolproof. Dirkzor and I as scum last time had a plan like this to subvert a plan like yours. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On February 27 2014 07:38 JarJarDrinks wrote: Here's the other thing w/ the cop dying N0. If we are about to lynch scum, there WILL be a doc claim. Then the real doc counters and we end up w/ the claim anyway. @ least if we force the claim early, we're making scum commit to their lie before the fact. or, we mislynch and go into N1 with zero chance of survival because scum will just shoot the doctor -.- | ||
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Blazinghand
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ALSO DON'T CLAIM VT CAUSE IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR SCUM TO SHOOT THE COP/DOC. | ||
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