On December 24 2013 11:50 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because that would be too heavily spy favored imo on this medium. Forum is a little different from the standard face to face game. Ray was saying he plays it regularly IRL I'd like his opinion on the fifth day I guess.

Mission members: 3,4,4,5,5
Sabotages needed: 1,1,1,2,1

Also as someone said the idea is to raise the bar in every mission barring 2->3. Usually the game is REALLY close even if one team ends up winning 3-0.

You can't put 2 sabotages to the last mission because in case town wins missions 1 and 2, spies win 3 and 4 - town then knows 2 spies amongst the 5, they pick the rest 4 and strongest town read and easy win.

It has to be the setup i just said (for 9players). Anything else is unfair to one of the sides.

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December 26 2013 22:54 GMT

#60

oh yeah! I love this game <3

I'm off for ~2h, then let's play!

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December 26 2013 23:32 GMT

#69

Is the voting really non-anonymous? That's not how it usually is in resistance so just to clarify.

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December 27 2013 00:07 GMT

#72

Resistance 2 had afaik the same mission details than this game but nvm. Just wanted a clarification.

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December 27 2013 00:47 GMT

#74

Why would you ask that?

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December 27 2013 00:48 GMT

#76

Hmm..i disagree with rayn about voting usually being anonymous. I guess my friends play with weird rules. I'm used to IRL voting where a choice is selected with a hidden tile and then revealed all at once, then votes are tallied and you know who voted for what and have that as information to analyze.

Yes this is exactly what i mean. Now the voting is different, like you would lay your choice on the table face up but you are allowed to change that. Usually the voting is done via PM's and then revealed when the phase is finished.

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December 27 2013 01:13 GMT

#79

hmm.. okay.

Anyways Hopeless, you seem to have played Resistance. Why would you not have an opinion of if the leader should not pick themselves in any situation? I find it hard to believe tbh.

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December 27 2013 01:23 GMT

#81

I don't want to go into specifics but i do not agree Hopeless. There are specific scenarios where not picking yourself is more beneficial than picking yourself.

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December 27 2013 01:25 GMT

#82

Picking a team that will get 100% downvoted (if that includes yourself) does not serve any purpose.

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December 27 2013 04:19 GMT

#97

So everybody is basically saying the same thing over and over again. There are 6 townies. If you exclude yourself there are 5 townies. Even the last missions require only max 5 people. You can select an all town team even if you exclude yourself. Therefore, in case you are considered not necessarily town and your team would be refused if you are in it, it's better to select other people. If you select a team which gets 8 nay votes, it tells us nothing. Voting patterns are the most important thing (obviously besides mission results) in this game because there are no flips.

Anyone who refuses to cooperate in mission selection as a leader and pushes through a selection that is doomed to get a fuckton of nay votes should not go a mission. That's what i think.

On December 27 2013 12:08 Chairman Ray wrote:
There are definitely situations where the leader would not put himself in. It would probably be best to analyse this case by case when these kinds of situations arise, because I always find that people suggesting sub-optimal teams, getting rejected, and letting the next good team pass gives more information than people doing the right play in the first place. We get information for why they chose the team, who approved the team, and who rejected it.

Anyways, other than Koshi who wants to be in, are there any other suggestions on who should be sent on the first mission? Since it's the first one, I'm alright with any team that goes in.

I think you are scum because of this. In 5 pl setup this works because it's actually better to pass the first mission as scum, in 9 pl setup this is different and not necessarily true. Seems to me like an attempt to stop the conversation before it even started.

CR - Does Koshi seem town to you? Why?

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December 27 2013 04:58 GMT

#98

Corazon if you were a leader now would you send a team that does not include yourself?

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December 27 2013 05:06 GMT

#100

Because you job as a leader is to send 3 townies on a mission. You knowing your alignment why would you not send yourself?

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December 27 2013 05:16 GMT

#102

Why would we talk only about those people's alignment who are sent in the mission?

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December 27 2013 05:25 GMT

#104

Oh god, i hope you drop that line of thinking if you are town. We are supposed to discuss everyone's alignment regardless of what the team leader is going to send. Strongest townreads should go, on D1 that means you should send yourself, because you are your strongest townread, and there is no concrete information of anyone's scumminess/towniness (i mean voting patterns & mission results to analyze).

Even if you have a weak townread on someone who is being put on the mission that does not mean you should automatically pass that without discussion, you need to suggest your strongest townreads. After D1 that somewhat changes but the first mission.. There is no reason to not nominate yourself if you are town, absolutely none.

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December 27 2013 05:41 GMT

#106

Basically yes.
After D1 that somewhat changes.

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December 27 2013 05:59 GMT

#109

On December 27 2013 14:48 Corazon wrote:

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Ok, I can compromise with you there. Of course I'm not picking first so I don't know what you mean by "I hope you stop thinking like this if you are town". No need to attack me for hypotheticals

I don't know if you have played Resistance before. What i do know is you are (were?) working on wrong mindset. I don't care if you continue that if you're scum, i do care if you continue doing that if you are town because it makes you scummy to me.

Make your own decisions and have your own opinions, disagree if you disagree. But if you do so i want you to reason yourself.

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December 27 2013 06:02 GMT

#110

On December 27 2013 14:44 Chairman Ray wrote:

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Why does not asserting for myself or a specific person to go on the first mission mean I'm scum? Is the logic that since scum will want to fail the first mission, then if I am town, I need to get into the mission to reduce the chances that there will be scum in there?

You are supposed to suggest an all town team, for every mission.
You don't seem to be giving any shits who goes onto a mission 1 and who doesn't. It's not only results and voting that wins the game, it's the discussion behind picks and people's responses on top of that.

What you said was basically "just pick some people who want to go on a mission and let's get over with it".
That's scummy.