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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 14 2013 17:00 GMT
#12
OMG AUSTRALIAN HOST AND GOOD DEADLINE! /in
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 15 2013 04:41 GMT
#21
Hydra's are incredibly town favoured and shouldn't be allowed in normal games IMO.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 15 2013 05:10 GMT
#23
On August 15 2013 13:42 Alakaslam wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Quite convenient that you two share an avatar.

As I can't, I made mine unique until another broodling flyer comes in... Don't know if that helps people at all but whatevz.


Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Hydra's are incredibly town favoured and shouldn't be allowed in normal games IMO.

Out of curiosity is it because they are like a free mason?

If so, I'm sure we could make a small balance adjustment. . . We have lots of roles to work with. We could add VT, subtract blues, give scum more power roles, etc. I'm sure it can be made to work. Syl, your take?


Yes. They give two people a confirmed townie to share thoughts and discuss the game with. Which may not seem like a lot but is actually a huge advantage.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 15 2013 06:24 GMT
#28
On August 15 2013 14:19 Sylencia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Hydra's are incredibly town favoured and shouldn't be allowed in normal games IMO.


Has there been a game where a hydra has given town a clear advantage? I have limited experiences with them myself, but I never saw them as being overpowered.


Read the endgame discussion on the hydra mafia II game. Multiple people agreed that hydra's were very town favoured.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 15 2013 10:51 GMT
#35
On August 15 2013 18:11 Crazometer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 16:59 Umasi wrote:
On August 15 2013 16:09 Crazometer wrote:
/in

As a new player I'm not really sure what hydras have to do with anime but I'd love to get involved and play with you guys!


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=423708
That newbie game needs another newbie player, so you could consider checking that out, before you go into a normal game.


Thanks. I think I'll hang out here as well though. I've always considered myself a bit of a Kanji Tatsumi and would love the opportunity to finally live it out.


You definitely don't want to do two games at once. either do the newbie or this game. (probably the newbie)
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 16 2013 02:03 GMT
#50
On August 16 2013 10:59 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey syl, dp, marv: why do people find it so important to be around at deadline as a player? I have never really cared, but I discovered forum mafia on TL so go figure...


Because if you aren't around people like to lynch you cause it is easy. Of the three times I have been lynched. Two were solely because I wasn't around at deadline. The other was in my first newbie.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 16 2013 10:31 GMT
#59
On August 16 2013 19:16 Koshi wrote:
^ Kush is really good at giving "nothing" effort.
I would take the promised 110% and never let go.


WTF? why does everyone have this view that kush doesn't give an effort/ is bad. I have never found that to be the case and i have obs'd/played with him since his newbie.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 18 2013 16:54 GMT
#85
If people hydra count me /out
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 19 2013 14:59 GMT
#103
On August 19 2013 23:29 Sn0_Man wrote:
Just re-iterating for any filter-divers:

The deadline for this game is 5:00 AM for me. That means that it is exceedingly likely I will NOT be around for ANY deadlines, nor for the hours immediately preceding. I say this before the game starts, for obvious reasons.

Other than that, GLHF.


lynch this man.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 13:54 GMT
#280
HI GUISE!
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 13:59 GMT
#285
First things first I would like rayn to answer how he reconciles his current position with his previous position on miller claims in a night 0 game.

This game:
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.


From Carnival Cruise

On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment.


On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.



On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:07 GMT
#291
That game he was town. In this game he has completely reversed his position. What gives?

Aside from this dissonance from rayn. I don't really give a fuck about policy.

The person most likely to be scum is Koshi.

He is following the trends of the thread with quick position reverses and one liners.

On August 20 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.

I was thinking the same.



On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote:
Ok, survivor might not want to claim. The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role.


Obviously he has no opinion yet tries to contribute to the discussion. Whilst saying absolutely nothing and backflipping within the space of a post.

I also don;t like the awkward post-hoc clarification he does as he tries to diminish his backflip

On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what's your read on Oats and why did you immediately change your mind on survivor claim thingy when Oats and yamato posted?

I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem.


On August 20 2013 21:35 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.

I was thinking the same.

about the self-aware miller

(survivor can fuck off)


The rest of his filter is useless one liners and a hilarious OMGUS

On August 20 2013 22:18 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 22:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I wasnt asking why you think Koshi is scum.

You think yamato isnt serious in his accusation? Why?

Oats so smart. Yamato and WoS are scum.



"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:11 GMT
#295
On August 20 2013 23:02 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 22:59 DarthPunk wrote:
First things first I would like rayn to answer how he reconciles his current position with his previous position on miller claims in a night 0 game.

This game:
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.


From Carnival Cruise

On May 13 2013 04:31 ObviousOne wrote:
Some people believe it to be optimal play to claim self-aware miller. I don't really put a lot of stock in early claims and I am perfectly willing to even make shit up for fun as you have seen. If you disagree that's your prerogative. Are you going to lynch him for the claim? If not then we have info for later. If yes then please explain why it is the optimal strategy at this very moment.


On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It's not optimal. It's stupid or mafia.



On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.


The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers.
This is semi-open setup. In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.


Nah I call bullshit on that.
On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I mean it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers. What Hiro said, it only allows mafia to get away with claiming it right in the beginning. If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.


Your explanation flies in the face of never claiming miller when you don;t know THE EXACT NUMBER and that a townie SHOULD NEVER BE COP CHECKED.

Like I know you were fucking wrong in carnival cruise about millers and I agree with you this game that millers should claim. But the fact you have backflipped and your justification for your previous position directly contradicts your previous position means something is fucking wrong.



"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:12 GMT
#296
On August 20 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP can you get on the shit on WoS train?


Nah I'm not sure if he is scum or you are yet. Feel free to carry on though.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:13 GMT
#299
Anyway Koshi is the best lynch right now.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:15 GMT
#301
On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP?

Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages.

Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:19 GMT
#303
On August 20 2013 23:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:15 DarthPunk wrote:
On August 20 2013 23:13 Oatsmaster wrote:
So why would scum Rayn, at least 5 games further on from CCM, post that DP?

Because he wanted to say something and the easiest thing to say as scum is some stupid policy that everyone discuss' for pages and pages.

Like If he had just said 'oh yeah. I have learnt and have grown as a player and changed my mind' I would have dropped it. But he tried to align both positions and directly contradicts his previous position as justification for that position.

Did you look at Basterd mini mafia, which was between these games. Why not?


If that has some relevant info you should have posted THAT as your explanation. If you think I am going to look through all your games to answer a question for you, you are fucking retarded.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:21 GMT
#305
On August 20 2013 23:10 raynpelikoneet wrote:
DP did you read what i said about WoS? Thoughts?



On August 20 2013 23:12 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 23:09 Oatsmaster wrote:
DP can you get on the shit on WoS train?


Nah I'm not sure if he is scum or you are yet. Feel free to carry on though.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:35 GMT
#326
The dissonance in your position does not change with semi-open or closed setups

On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.


On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
it's not optimal to claim miller if you don't know the exact number of delf-aware millers.


On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
The setup was closed. We could not know if there was even gonna be any self-aware millers.


In a both a closed and semi open setup you do not even know if there are any millers nor their number. The set-up being semi-open vs closed does not absolve you of the contradiction


On May 13 2013 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If you are town you should never be checked by a cop.



On May 13 2013 04:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
In addition of possible self-aware millers we could have possible parity cop(s). Miller claims help them because they can possibly verify their checks at some point.


In both closed and semi-open setups there may be an investigative role/s. The fact that the set-up is semi-open does not change the fact that you said townies (and millers) should never be checked by a cop. In response to a similiar proposition that you are now using to justify your reversal.

Regardless of the set-up being semi-open or closed your explanation directly contradicts your previous belief that one should never claim miller when you don't know THE EXACT NUMBER of millers and that a townie and thus a miller SHOULD NEVER BE COP CHECKED.

Instead of giving a simple or reasonable explanation to your shift in policy you have provided bullshit reasons and excuses. And I want to know why.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
August 20 2013 14:37 GMT
#330
On August 20 2013 20:09 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 20:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Self-aware millers and survivor claim please before D1. If you don't we lynch you after if you do.

I was thinking the same.


On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote:
Ok, survivor might not want to claim. The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role.


On August 20 2013 21:28 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2013 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi what's your read on Oats and why did you immediately change your mind on survivor claim thingy when Oats and yamato posted?

I was talking more about the self aware miller part. Dnu. Survivor shouldn't claim if he wants to play his role like that. Also your point about if we know there is a survivor we know there isn't an SK is really scummy rayn. Cuz SK is scum their problem.


On August 20 2013 23:24 Koshi wrote:
Meh, dnu if I should claim now or later. Actually wanted to claim with my first post but decided to wait a bit.

But I am the self aware miller guy.


Burn him with the fire of a thousand suns.

On August 20 2013 20:18 Koshi wrote:
The self-aware miller should claim though. Dnu why he shouldn't claim instantly. Silly role.
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