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Edit: op hasn't been update... don't know if there's room for an old fart like me
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On August 05 2013 02:47 Koshi wrote:
I think it is smart for me to start posting less and give the posts more value. I always read all posts multiple times. I should be ok.
Welcome to scumhedge
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Super shady play from some people. Worst "keeping their identities secret" nicknames ever. Clarity either made a stupid mistake or is scum.
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Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.
PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die.
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On August 09 2013 01:59 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 01:57 Risen wrote:
Working on it. Just felt like posting something from my phone while I was on the toilet. Have some definite scum reads.
PSA: Don't post your town reads people. That's just stupid unless you're about to die. Is Onegu one of them? That'd be pretty cool.
Nope. I haven't gone into anyone's filter, though. I just sat on a toilet and read through the game since start of d1.
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Alrighty so...
Oats v Yamato is either two scum destroying the thread or one of them taking advantage of the other to destroy the thread.
Oats had a really simple mistake that bothered me pointed out by Koshi here in number 1. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 21:20 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:55 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 19:47 Koshi wrote:
@ Oats. Tell me why you have townreads on your house. Don't use names but you can at least tell us WHY they are town. It's impossible to actually know if somebody is town in your house. At this point I think Oats his house is filled with scum only. Why I have townreads on the dudes? Cause they are nice and helpful and shit. No obvious scummy pms, natural. Nothing like your house, controversy everywhere. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. koshi didnt explain why dandel's actions was scum, when all the things he said seem to be townie to me, like agressive and shit. Killing kush was probably a joke, dunno. Also, he didnt explain why im scum. This whole statement is bullshit. You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Its not what Im doing at all. And its really weird that this is the conclusion that he drew from my statements so far. 1) Oats townreads are either "nice and shit" or "agressive and shit". 2) Oats does not realise that this game is 6 pages long instead of 20. 3) Oats calls me scum if I point out he is shitting up the thread. 4) Oats does not answer me when I ask him who should be lord in our house in theory, but then wants me to explain to him why I find DI scummy over S0lstice. Here is my first real scumread. On August 08 2013 21:56 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:55 Koshi wrote:
And of course Oats is more town than me for shitting up this thread 24/7 and even lying about not knowing how many pages there are in this game to try to get me mad. personal attacks and jumping to conclusions not cool
As for the Yamato end, he's been consistently null. He trashed up the thread, but at least he didn't lie or change course. I actually really like this part of his filter + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:53 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 15:51 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:47 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:39 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:35 Oatsmaster wrote:On August 08 2013 15:16 yamato77 wrote:On August 08 2013 15:11 Oatsmaster wrote:
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um what?
you are so full of shit its spilling out. Fine, I'll just let you do whatever is you're going to do this game and someone else from your house will come and be useful. yeah stop taking that retarded attitude. Face it. You have no reason to know my house full of townreads. You have not even told us the members in your house. And I am loath to call someone a hypocrite, but sadly, thats what you are. I'm not a hypocrite, because no one has specifically asked me to tell them the members of my house, nor have I commented on my opinion of them. Why are you so resistant? What are you REALLY hiding? Wait. So you ask me to tell you the members of my house. And when I dont, im scummy. But when you dont, its cause 'no one asked' BULLSHIT YAMATO. Why would you want me to tell you when you've been so stubborn about NOT telling me? For the record, my house is Oberyn, jrkirby and Onegu. I haven't really talked for very much with any of them, really. how can you take that condecending attitude?? How. What a dick. Why havent you talked to them? I have talked to them, but it wasn't about much aside from who to elect lord and what to do with house powers. Not exactly the most alignment-indicative information. you have house powers???? cool. Why did your house choose to elect oberyn? Every house has powers, IT'S IN THE OP. >_______________> I guess Onegu and jrkirby thought he was townie. I didn't really have time to talk to so I'm not surprised they chose the other person who was considered a candidate.
Oats is scum, Yamato is null The funny thing is that prior to looking into the filters I thought Yamato would come across as more scummy than Oats, and gave kush a pass while reading through because of that.
WTF is with Dandel Ion destroying the thread single-handedly? No one cares that you think your house should be nuked, it's useless filler. No one cares about your inner dialogue, it isn't actually doing anything productive. If it was giving us your thought process, I'd like it, but it isn't. Finally, we have this masterpiece. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 22:30 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Was Chrom ever willing to vote for you over himself Dandel? Maybe. He said he might/would + Show Spoiler +but he didn't sound crazy about it imo but who knows. tho sol said the same thing yet never pulled through. chrom did sound the towniest of the bunch, but that's like being the best student in special class in this house. Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 22:24 Oberyn wrote:
Why is Koshi the one you call scummy, yet sol was the one lying and misrepresenting things? What was he lying about? Because koshi is scummier.
sol was lying and misrepresenting but at least it was somewhat possible to have a discussion with him (although he too dodged a lot of points [koshi dodged all of them though so he takes the cake] )He was mainly trashtalking me to the other two housies and misrepresenting my townplay, as well as massively overselling his. I've said that already, I'm sure.
I'm looking at Onegu now b/c of thread feelings and I don't see anything inspiring me to chime in. I don't see the contradiction rayne was pointing out. I see why he would think it was a contradiction, but I don't believe it is.
On to Xatalos. First thing that caught my eye. + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? On August 08 2013 21:06 Xatalos wrote:Oats, why do you have a scumread on Koshi again? Because this post before claiming him as scum doesn't really explain it: Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 19:47 Oatsmaster wrote:Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Um what? My reads were mostly right in Titanic. 1 wrong read. whatever. I only prevent you from knowing who I can contact through pms. All this other stuff is really weird. I didnt get elected. On August 08 2013 21:13 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:06 Acrofales wrote:On August 08 2013 18:43 Xatalos wrote:
Yamato's rampage reminds me a bit of myself in some of my town games. It would be more constructive to restrain from jumping the gun, though. Are you town this game? I haven't seen you shit up the thread yet.
Dear friends (and Martells), As the Lord of Highgarden I ask you to please stop the senseless bickering. We have Blackfyre sympathists amongst us and nothing you have said so far has helped me decide who is friendly with the rebel scum. I have come to King's Landing to end their cause. The most interesting information anyone has brought has come from House Baratheon. I would like to hear more about their internal politics, in order to determine whether Blackfyres have infiltrated them. I also want to hear more from Ser Oatsmaster, because his reasons for not having a healthy dose of suspicion towards his kinfolks are weak. The fact that there was no strife in your house, is no reason to assume they are all true to the realm. Within my own house there was no strife either, but the voting process was short and did not give much alignment indicative information. I feel this open forum is a better place for uncovering Blackfyre sympathists than in the private confines of Highgarden. Yours sincerely, Acrofales Tyrell This is such a generic and wishy-washy opening post -.- I hope you're not scum with gumshoe. Why not include me as well? As for causing havoc and destruction, you can ask my fellow House members. Some of them have already felt my wrath. On August 08 2013 21:50 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:40 Dandel Ion wrote:On August 08 2013 20:53 Xatalos wrote:On August 08 2013 19:41 Koshi wrote:
Basically it went down in our house like this.
S0lstice wanted to be Lord, DandelIon wanted to be Lord, Chromatically wanted to be Lord. I didn't because I wanted the best scumhunter to be Lord. S0lstice had my preference because he seemed like the most serious and experienced member. S0lstice and DI were discussing between themselves to see who would become Lord and then DI told me that S0ltice is scum twice.
Because they were fighting I presented myself to be Lord but in the end we went for Chroma.
As for scumreads:
DandelIon his main goal is to stir shit up. I don't know the reasons the elected lords gave in your houses but DI just told us we should vote him so he could use all our House power to kill Kush. The second reason he told me was to vote him because s0lstice was scum. And when I ran for Lord, DI told me he was going to push for my lynch today. I am interested how he will come into this thread and prove why S0lstice and I are scum.
Oats, we just played in Titanic and you come in this thread and say that you know that everybody in your house is town and that you will protect their identity? You must be really REALLY confident in this game.
You prevent us to find scum in your house and you prevent your house by talking about how you got elected or prevent them from giving away information about you. Oh Dandel Ion... Are you scum again? What's your take on this post? load of shit. What happened: As obviously the best town player in the house, as well as obviously town when town, it was clear I was the best lord from the start. chrom said he wanted to be lord, but seemed pretty rational about not being the best choice since he's 1) average 2) a lurker but solstice on the other hand started acting up, and tried to strongarm his way to being lord by every means possible, even lying and misrepresenting my townplay to make himself look better (lol). Never even considering another lord but himself, even though he had stated HIMSELF that I was probably town and he'd elect me if he couldn't be eleced. And I decided he indeed couldn't be elected. Then he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. So Koshi, that guy said he didn't want to be lord at the start. ok weird but w/e. The he said he'd vote sol over me. So I slammed him with my spears of logic of why I'm best lord and he started acting all pissy and threw a hissy-fit about it. He then also decided to want to be lord for no reason at all. That was the tipping point from which on it was utterly IMPOSSIBLE to get anything out of him. every response then was needlessly passive/agressive, choke-full with either bad logic, or no logic at all, things like that. So basically he claimed scum. So I couldn't elect koshi cuz he was being a scummy bitch I couldn't elect sol cuz he was being a bitch I couldn't elect myself cuz koshi and sol were running around like emotional teenage girls. So I had to elect the lurker that's prolly not even going to use the PM ability cuz afk, just so we get one at all. My house is full of scum and baddies. I want to switch houses. LOL. Well, this post from you is definitely more than I got out of you in all your posts *combined* when you were scum last time. So I'm pretty sure you're town and telling the truth. Chrom seems pretty null from that. Both s0Lstice and Koshi look scummy. I'm more concerned about s0Lstice than Koshi, since Koshi is new (although he fooled me well last game) and s0Lstice should be able to see that you're a good choice for Lord - at least better than Chrom or Koshi (or probably himself, even if he was town). On August 08 2013 21:55 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 21:45 Clarity_nl wrote:Dandel you can come join my house, np. Koshi played pretty weirdly as town in Titanic so I wouldn't quite say he claimed scum. That said, he did say he was trolling to see how far he could take it without taking heat (and he was town, sigh. On August 08 2013 19:09 Xatalos wrote:
Heh, you don't need to convince me about that. I've already stated that I see no use in hiding House member lists. It just slows down scumhunting without likely any gain IMO. I hate to come back to this subject, but Xatalos could you explain how hiding house member lists slows scumhunting? Take a look at how Koshi's member list + explanation has advanced scumhunting so far. Same can be said for grackaroni's member list, although to a much lesser degree. There are countless ways how more open information can enforce us to focus on scumhunting rather than speculation about the Houses. On August 09 2013 02:18 Xatalos wrote:
rayn, why would Clarity "throw stupid stuff" as scum? Just to cause confusion or something? Is that plausible?
I don't mind Grackaroni coming in and posting without reading the thread, simple mistake. My problem is that he posts the identity of people without asking his house and without reading the thread. That's something major and anyone should know that. It's a WIFOM, though. Did he make a stupid mistake as town, or is he scum trying to appear as having made a stupid mistake. Wash. I DO have a problem with him coming in and saying + Show Spoiler +On August 08 2013 15:16 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2013 14:53 iamperfection wrote:
Im going to let my black sheep some time in the thread see if he does anything.
I would love to stay and chat but its late
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of waiting to see if I do anything?  Hello all, I am the aforementioned "black sheep", My house is Lannister- Xatalos Gumshoe Iamperfection Grackaroni So far Xatalos has been very aggressive and has tunneled both me and Gumshoe. he put lots of effort into a very long mayor post and has been pming a lot more than he had to so by effort alone I think he is town. And he has annoyed the crap out of me and I think generally people who annoy you are town. Gumshoe has seemed to have genuine frustration in his responses to Xatalos' tunnel at the start of the game. (from the excerpts I've seen). he pmed me afterwards recommending me to vote for Iamp and was suspicious of Xata during a time when I would have percieved his actions to be more town-like. I don't think he faked his emotion and am leaning town on him. Iamperfection I am null on. We've talked to each other less than I have talked to anyone else and probably less than he has talked to anybody else as well. He believes that I have been apathetic towards the game but quite frankly I think I've been putting in plenty of effort. I voted him in the early phase of the game because he said he wanted to use the lord's pm's to pressure people for reads. Afterwards I tried to tell Xata and Gumshoe that I was less confident in him and would rather elect somebody else but it was clear that neither was interested in switching.
s0lstice hasn't posted anything. Can't really judge anything. Doesn't look particularly good for him, though.
I'm going to reserve judgement on Clarity for the time being to see how this plays out. It's clear he thinks REDACTED will have his back.
Plenty of lurkers, but the game has just started. Please post your opinions on other people in the thread and tell me what you think about my four scum reads (but really discuss my top 3 of Dandel Ion, Xatalos, and Oats)
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On August 09 2013 02:35 kushm4sta wrote:
hey all i will be more active second half of the game! for now i wanna lynch yamato on policy grounds
Policy lynches suck, please stop being like this and post actual discussion.
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So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum.
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EBWOP: I forgot to add in a line about REDACTED being Oatsmaster
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On August 09 2013 04:00 Xatalos wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 03:53 Oberyn wrote:
Dandel is playing thread bully and I'm strongly considering switching my vote to put him in time out. Nearly every player (koshi, sol, s&B, risen) that has brought up suspicion of dandel, he has responded by attacking their abilities and suggesting that they could be scum. This is extremely indicative of mafia play.
Could the Lannisters explain to me why they felt iamp was the best choice as Lord? What the heck? If you think that's extremely indicative of Mafia play, you should take a look at DI's earlier games. He's active and spammy as town, inactive and useless as scum. Which do you think fits him here? I preferred myself, but gumshoe preferred iamperfection and grackaroni also agreed with iamperfection being our Lord. I wasn't opposed to iamperfection either, just preferred myself (naturally I know I can trust myself 100%).
I think the scumteam has coached him to post this way so he appears to be playing to a town meta.
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Anywho, I'm off to da beech. Hopefully people wake up and read through the thread to start chiming in.
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On August 09 2013 04:05 Onegu wrote:Show nested quote +On August 09 2013 04:01 Risen wrote:
So yeah Clarity's interaction with REDACTED makes much more sense to me now. He told REDACTED about snb's role b/c they were scum mates. Clarity_nl is scum. This makes zero sense why not do that in scum qt if both scum, or even bring it up to SnB why not keep it to themselves?
Alrighty last post before da beech. I think the PM chain was a scumslip on their part. I think they were supposed to keep it to themselves. I don't think the interaction between Clarity and Oats was supposed to come to light which is why Clarity ended up lying in the PM chain then having to backtrack on it. Clarity probably told Oats the role name, that got revealed because Oats goofed or something, then they had to concoct a story to fit.
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Phone poast: How about you just defend yourselves against my points, and then point out who you think is scum and why instead of posting more useless filler like wat, say wat, and dis be cray! Don't listen to him!
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On August 09 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote:
Hi! I'm finally back in thread! I'll be here with the sole purpose of catching up so you can count on some substantive posts soon. I only got to the 20s while I was at school/work reading on my phone.
Since rayn has already taken the liberty of addressing our house members, I won't bother to discuss that. As I continue reading, I would like to direct attention to Afrocales' first post. If anyone is around, please analyze it and tell me what you think of it. I'd like to bounce some ideas off of people about what it means.
This is so scummy man. How about you analyze it, tell us what you think, and then bounce ideas around? Why are you jumping in on this Acro wagon without anything substantive? Seems to me you're soft-pushing an acro lynch without committing yourself.
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Not really. Just got back from da beech, read through the posts that have been made since I've been gone, and responded to FT. Now I'm going to take a bath, watch some House of Cards, and go to sleep. I'll be back tomorrow morning.
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I'm pretty sure nacho rolled scum and when I called him out in a n0 PM he got totally disinterested in the game.
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EBWOP: Or he's just a townie that got disinterested in the game. I should really drink some coffee before going over things. Still, shooting nacho or FT would be nice. I don't understand why Rayne has suddenly lost interest in FT.
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I told him I thought you were more town than FT, and that he was scummy for trying to defend FT. I asked him if it was because he knew FT was town or was defending a scumbuddy. There's no way someone sees that first PM from FT and thinks town.
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Also, just an idea, but can we consolidate two KP targets within the same house, have a house lord do an HP check on their house, then decide what to do with our KP? I disagreed earlier with the notion of using the house HP check, but for deciding whether to split KP or not it makes things a lot easier to coordinate on which lord shoots who.
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No, his post on Acro was trash. He stalled until he could find some sort of soft connection between Yamato (who he is very subtly trying to soft push by connecting to his "scum read" acro) and Acro. What kind of an argument is, "Well acro has a bazillion games to look at for meta reads, but instead I'll link him to a scum game Yamato has"
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