On June 06 2013 11:13 iVLosK! wrote:
Lynching lurkers isn't a strategy that I really like in a noobie game. What we'll find is that some people just signed up and fucked off, regardless of alignment. Or people who vastly underestimated the amount of time/effort they'd need to put in.

Having said that, I won't be nailed down and if I feel a lurker is scum I'll vote them in a second and you all will be like "Aww Vlosk said he doesn't like lynching lurkers in noob games!"

I don't like how you try to deflect any pressure that could come onto you, before it even comes onto you. There's no reason to feel that you're under suspicion at this point, and I think it points towards blue or scum. ~~Or I'm reading into it to much.~~
At this point I'm leaning towards scum.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 03:40 GMT

#323

As far as lynching lurkers goes, just lynch the person you think has the highest chance of being mafia. No-lynching allows lurkers to stick around, and although

A townie is still a townie and still counts towards the town count, regardless of how invested they are in the game.

may be true, townies that don't help us are not, well, good for town. Because they're not helping. So although lynching a lurking townie is NOT GOOD, If the chance is reasonable and everyone else thinks it's reasonable that they will flip scum, lynching is wise, because the alternative is wasting the one power vanilla townies have: Their vote.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 03:57 GMT

#330

##VOTE iVLosK!

Why are you asking to be voted upon this early?
I think that what you're doing is antagonistic. I think that, if you were townie, you'd voice concern about these weak FOS's, try to correct them, and develop reads on us based on that. You didn't correct them....You're asking for votes on you.
That's confusing, and not wise no matter the case.
You wouldn't be poking the fire if you were town, and scum wants to poke the fire. Or at least, you wouldn't have motivation to poke the fire as town, but you would as scum.
If mafia want to sow confusion, why are you doing something I think is scum-like, if you are town?
Since I feel confused, I'm feeling even more of a scum read on you, so my vote rests.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 03:59 GMT

#332

I thought more about your preemptive excuse, and realized it wasn't very indicative of anything at all. But after you defend yourself with the phrase "this guy" , heck, even the fact that you address it as a concern, is scummy to me.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:01 GMT

#333

On June 06 2013 12:58 iVLosK! wrote:

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Keep it there, then. I like my brofists.

Just explain why you think what you do, why you made a preemptive excuse, and why you like your brofists. Liking brofists is BAD. Brofists are emotional. We, as town, do not want emotional. We want thought and logic.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:11 GMT

#342

On June 06 2013 13:05 iVLosK! wrote:

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First underline: Ask that other guy from OMGUS who my vote is on. I give literally zero fucks about your FOS's. In my original post where I "excused myself for future scumminess" or whatever, I was simply stating that I'll do what I want regardless of what you think is scummy. If I don't want to vote for a lurker, I won't. And if I feel like voting for a lurker, bet your fine ass that I will. Regardless of what I've said in the past.

Second underline: Maybe you should adjust what you think is "scum-like." I would suggest it, actually. If you and I are going to be friends. I would like to be friends.

Also "since I feel confused, you are therefore scum." is literally the dumbest thing that I have ever heard in my life. And I actually laughed quietly to myself upon reading it.

First of all, thanks for saying something other than brofists as a response.
Second, your second underline: I'll make this clear.
Scum want to sow confusion and get emotional. I think brofists is an emotional term. Scum want to sow confusion, and you did not do something to figure things out, you, as I said, "poked the fire". Don't try to say that's not what scum want to do, that's the entire POINT of what scum wants to do. I'm not sure you're scum, but I think you've a better chance of flipping scum than anyone else here at this point.

And I still think you were trying to excuse yourself for future scumminess, which I dislike.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:22 GMT

#353

You're right, brofists was not a term you coined. You ran with it though.
Even aside from brofists, I think that telling us to vote you is stupid. Scum? maybe! stupid? yes!
WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO BE VOTED.
I DO NOT THINK THERE IS A JESTER
if you want us to put our money where our mouth is, and we are, and you aren't responding to our "money", then what are we supposed to think? I'm going to back up and reread everything in this exchange to make sure I'm not overlooking something, but my feeling on you keeps growing scummier, just because of the tone of your responses.
There is a possibility I'm just awful! or overlooking something! so I'll go reread.

I do not think that talking about lurkers is important with iV, just what has resulted from it.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:23 GMT

#355

ebwop: apparently no jester, so why would you want to be voted.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:32 GMT

#361

It may be all you need, but think about what the town needs, and explain why this entire exchange has furthered our understanding of the current game. Why are you responding the way you are, if I think it is apparently pro-mafia? You don't want a townie thinking what you're doing is pro-mafia.
If you think I'm mafia, say so, and I'll happily respond.
Don't just sit there and absolve yourself using the logic of "I am town" and "I said I'd stick to my vote, and was explaining why"
Because the logic of "I am town" does not WORK if you don't play in a protown way, and saying "I'd stick to my vote, and was explaining why" is stupid if you aren't fucking explaining why. Telling us that you're going to vote what you think is the correct vote is fine, but the entire excuse reads as just that to me. An excuse.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:36 GMT

#366

If you are town, every vote being thrown on you is wasted. As a town member, you do not like this.
You do not want us putting votes on you if you are town. You want town votes on mafia as town.
So why are you okay with votes being on you? There isn't town motivation for that, OR SCUM MOTIVATION. Since it is confusing, and scum want to confuse, I think it is scummy.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:38 GMT

#371

On June 06 2013 13:37 fferyllt wrote:
All this earnestness is very touching. I'm firming up some more reads, I think.

Tell us what you think so far, I will start writing my list.

Umasi

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June 06 2013 04:47 GMT

#379

Onegu: Four posts. I can't make a read on this, but I lean town gut-wise
tE_: no-posts, null
Firere: I agree, it seems too easy. not that it can't be easy. slightly-town null
Stimm: null, no post
Ffer: waiting to see post, slightly town atm
Spicy: I agree with what he said game-theory wise, but that tells me nothing -null
Gotard:no post, null
Xzavier: I agree with what he's said, and lean straight town
Yavanna: Hasn't said much. Laughed at my stupid cat joke, tells me nothing. null
umasi: towniest motherfucker
Skan: no posts, null
iV: Leaning heavy scum, but harbor doubts. can't rationalize anything he does as town, but I can't rationalize what he's doing as scum indicative either, just scummier LEANING.
LoneMeow: one post, who gives a shit, null.

Conclusion: GET MORE PEOPLE TO FUCKING POST